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Vaccine Failure Means Setback in AIDS Fight
FOXNews.com ^ | Friday, March 21, 2008 | FOXNews.com

Posted on 03/21/2008 5:39:05 AM PDT by metmom

The two-decade search for an AIDS vaccine is in crisis after two field tests of the most promising contender not only did not protect people from the virus but may actually have put them at increased risk of becoming infected, The Washington Post reported.

Experts are questioning the overall strategy and scientific premises of the nearly $500 million in AIDS vaccine research funded annually by the government after the two field tests were halted last September and seven other trials of AIDS vaccines have either been stopped or put off indefinitely.

The recently closed studies, STEP and Phambili, were halted when it became clear the STEP study was futile and possibly harmful.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; hiv; homosexualagenda; vaccine
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To: Alter Kaker
You folks must be mistaking me for someone else. I'm certainly not the one who keeps on bringing up the gays.

Starting with post 11, you have done nothing else. Do you think we were all born yesterday, here? And you have not apologized to me, I'm surprised you have the courage to come back and lie some more.

181 posted on 03/21/2008 10:10:34 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: cake_crumb
Every argument you have given so far educating people in preventing AIDS is futile, because behavior isn't a factor.

Huh? Education is all about behavior. You teach people what behaviors expose you to the disease and which don't.

Monogamy = good.

Unprotected sex with prostitutes in sub-Saharan Africa = probably not so good.

That may seem like common sense, but in an area where many people lack even basic education, and where lots of myths abound, that message isn't always getting through.

182 posted on 03/21/2008 10:12:46 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: panaxanax
Yeah, we're just not compassionate enough. The HIV pandemic, esp. in Africa is probably the moral equivalent of genocide, and it's probably OUR FAULT. Remember the Mariel boat lift? I blame myself. /sarc
183 posted on 03/21/2008 10:15:00 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Alter Kaker

None. However, the diseases on your list aren’t the only ones in need of attention. HIV isn’t particularly virulent either. Which is which it requires fluid transfer to spread. People don’t spread it by sneezing in public.


184 posted on 03/21/2008 10:15:54 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: Judith Anne
Starting with post 11, you have done nothing else.

I didn't mention the gays in post 11. Try again.

The previous posters were sending the message that people with HIV/AIDS (the vast majority of whom live in Africa) didn't "deserve" a vaccine. That's what I called a moral test.

And you have not apologized to me

Apologize to the woman who accused me of being gay because I'm not pro-AIDS? Ma'am, I suggest you keep waiting on that apology.

185 posted on 03/21/2008 10:16:16 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: cake_crumb
HIV isn’t particularly virulent either.

So? It's a disease that has killed 25 million people and infects another 40 million. The fact that it isn't particularly virulent means that it should be fairly straightforward to contain, with a combination of aggressive treatment options and education. That's what we've done in developed countries, and it's what needs to be done in the third world.

186 posted on 03/21/2008 10:18:53 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
The previous posters were sending the message that people with HIV/AIDS (the vast majority of whom live in Africa) didn't "deserve" a vaccine. That's what I called a moral test.

Where's the post?

Apologize to the woman who accused me of being gay because I'm not pro-AIDS? Ma'am, I suggest you keep waiting on that apology.

What post was that?

187 posted on 03/21/2008 10:20:59 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Behavior modification=most FReepers belief. Including mine. Which is exactly the OPPOSITE of many of your arguments during most of the thread. Or what they seemed to be saying. I don’t know...seems you’ve obfuscated and relativized to the point that the entire thread is about useless.


188 posted on 03/21/2008 10:21:51 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: panaxanax
He does seem to be fixed on Africa for some reason. This is a country where ADULT men think that gang-raping baby girls will cure them from AIDS!

That comment underscores the need for education on two fronts:

1. Africans need to learn real medical information. In the absence of education, some believe nonsense like the idea you mentioned above.

2. You need to learn that Africa is not a "country." I suggest going out and buying yourself a map might be a good start.

Alter Kaker, tell us how many more BILLIONS of dollars we need to send down there to teach these monsters the real truth

So you're telling me that Africans, all billion of them, are "monsters"? Really? Have you, I don't know, ever been to Africa? Have you ever met an African? That seems like a kind of sweeping statement there. How do you know that all Africans are monsters? Is there a monster test that you can readily apply to an entire population?

189 posted on 03/21/2008 10:24:46 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Apologize to the woman who accused me of being gay because I'm not pro-AIDS?

That, in addition to being a lie, makes no sense at all. None.

Now, which post was I supposed to have done that nonsensical thing? Tell me. Or apologize, or just let us all think you're lying. Again.

190 posted on 03/21/2008 10:27:07 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Alter Kaker

That post is going to stand as a classic on FR for years—a perfect example of your ability to read, reason, and reply.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thanks for the laugh.


191 posted on 03/21/2008 10:29:42 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Alter Kaker; panaxanax

Taking all the focus off the GLBT community and it’s involvement and responsibility in spreading AIDS and making it a *it’s all about the poor starving children in Africa* issue is, in effect, defending the gay community.

It started with them. It can stop with them.


192 posted on 03/21/2008 10:30:01 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: cake_crumb
Behavior modification=most FReepers belief. Including mine. Which is exactly the OPPOSITE of many of your arguments during most of the thread. Or what they seemed to be saying. I don’t know...seems you’ve obfuscated and relativized to the point that the entire thread is about useless.

Huh? No, I've been consistent. Nobody is going to go out and baby sit millions of people and set curfews and tell them who they can and cannot have sex with. In the absence of that, there are two things we can and should do. I have been consistent on both of those

1. There needs to be more education, so people know what behaviors are sound and what are inherently risky. If, knowing that, they insist on making poor choices then at least that's their fault. Right now, many people in many parts of the third world just don't know enough to make informed decisions.

2. In addition to education, I support efforts to come up with treatments for HIV/AIDS. There are an awful lot of people who are already infected, and an awful lot of those have become infected through no fault of their own. This second prong seems just common sense to me.

I don't see where I've contradicted myself, nor do I see what's so radical about what I've been proposing. Maybe you can enlighten me.

193 posted on 03/21/2008 10:30:05 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

More fertilizer manufacturing, I see.


194 posted on 03/21/2008 10:31:51 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: metmom
Taking all the focus off the GLBT community and it’s involvement and responsibility in spreading AIDS and making it a *it’s all about the poor starving children in Africa* issue is, in effect, defending the gay community.

So maybe it's you who are obsessed with the gays. I haven't mentioned them. You can go through all of my posts going back five years and won't find me ever fighting for the "gay agenda," but here I am talking about the biggest public health crisis in the world today, and all you see are the gays. This has nothing to do with gays. This has to do with 40 million people, the overwhelming majority of whom don't live in the United States (or any developed country), and aren't gay.

If you want to debate gay teachers or gay "marriage" or whatever, go ahead. But I'm not having that debate with you -- that's not what this thread is about, and not what I think HIV/AIDS is all about either.

195 posted on 03/21/2008 10:33:53 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

FReepers aren’t as stupid as you think they are. You’re not fooling anyone.

AIDS/HIV funding and research in this country isn’t about finding a sure for those ESTIMATED infected in Africa and pretending that it is is intellectually dishonest.

It’s about a spineless PC whine and grovel response to the GLBT community that anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly support their lifestyle is a *hater* and *intolerant*.


196 posted on 03/21/2008 10:38:56 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ConfidentConservative
Now My Mother was in the 20% that got Lung Cancer with out smoking and being in a smoke free family, environment.

In the United States, about 80% of lung cancer cases are smoking related. Worldwide, the number is slightly over 90%. I cited the worldwide figure. Either way, the vast majority of lung cancer cases are smoking related.

A majority of the rest are also preventable -- related to particulate inhalation, asbestos inhalation, radon exposure, etc. Your mother may well have been in the exception, but my point wasn't to deny that there are non-tobacco related lung cancer cases, but rather to emphasize that, like HIV-AIDS, preventative lifestyle changes could eliminate a majority of lung cancer cases.

WE CAN NOT KEEP ALL LUNG CANCER from happening! RIGHT???

No, of course not. But we can keep 90-95% of lung cancer cases from happening, and that's pretty good.

197 posted on 03/21/2008 10:40:31 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
...but here I am talking about the biggest public health crisis in the world today,...

Bigger than cancer? Diabetes? Malaria? TB? Dysentary? Let's see some data to support that statement.

You don't think there aren't diseases in Africa that claim more lives than AIDS/HIV is alleged to, that don't deserve the funding?

If it was really all about saving lives in Africa, there'd be way more research on all those other tropical disease that afflict millions of Africans every day, not just AIDS.

AIDS funding isn't about saving lives in Africa. It's about absolving people of their responsibility of practicing responsible behavior.

198 posted on 03/21/2008 10:46:29 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Alter Kaker

Sometimes I think we get sock puppets or seminar posters here. I think some of them are paid to do it, too.

I’m done with the thread. So far, nothing new has been offered, just the same old lame posts, time after time. From what I have seen of AK’s style, he’ll then toss out some more bait, to see if I really mean it.

Note that he has NOT replied to my request to name the posts he denigrates. That’s because they don’t exist, and his entire experience on the thread has been to offer lies.

So long. I seriously doubt any FReepers were fooled, or impressed by the stuff he posted. At least not guaging by the PMs I got.


199 posted on 03/21/2008 10:47:05 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Judith Anne
So long. I seriously doubt any FReepers were fooled, or impressed by the stuff he posted. At least not guaging by the PMs I got.

That's because we're not as stupid or blind as some would think.

Thanks for your support. We see the truth and know that you've been falsely accused and lied about.

200 posted on 03/21/2008 10:49:20 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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