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Vaccine Failure Means Setback in AIDS Fight
FOXNews.com ^ | Friday, March 21, 2008 | FOXNews.com

Posted on 03/21/2008 5:39:05 AM PDT by metmom

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To: Bulldawg Fan; EveningStar
All the billions and billions have been wasted, but hey, its the PC disease.

AIDS can be cured by massive injections of concentrated cash. And it's no longer the "hip" disease; Cancer is.

201 posted on 03/21/2008 10:51:32 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Judith Anne
Sometimes I think we get sock puppets or seminar posters here. I think some of them are paid to do it, too.

If you figure out a way for me to get paid to post on FR, will you please let me know?

Thanks!

Regards,

Alter Kaker

PS.... figured I'd respond to this gem:

So long. I seriously doubt any FReepers were fooled, or impressed by the stuff he posted. At least not guaging by the PMs I got.
Well, I'll for one be shedding many tears for you Judy, but you might be interested to know that I've gotten a number of supportive PMs from people who feel you and your ilk (yes, ilk) aren't worth arguing with. Sorry for intruding into your echo chamber, but I don't represent even close to a majority of the views of the posters on FR.
202 posted on 03/21/2008 10:51:52 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker; Judith Anne
but I don't represent even close to a majority of the views of the posters on FR.

Truer words were never spoken.

203 posted on 03/21/2008 10:54:37 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Sorry for intruding into your echo chamber, but I don't represent even close to a majority of the views of the posters on FR.

Concur.

204 posted on 03/21/2008 10:56:28 AM PDT by glock rocks ( afterism (n) - the perfect statement you immediately think of, once you've hit the 'post' button.)
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To: Alter Kaker

The common cold isn’t a lifestyle decision. Getting a cold isn’t being an intravenous drug user or having unprotected sex with high risk individuals.

In the case of blood transfusions your statement rings true.


205 posted on 03/21/2008 10:56:39 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Shouldn't the libs love a Hunter Thompson ticket in 08?)
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To: Alter Kaker; metmom
I’m done with the thread. So far, nothing new has been offered, just the same old lame posts, time after time. From what I have seen of AK’s style, he’ll then toss out some more bait, to see if I really mean it. Note that he has NOT replied to my request to name the posts he denigrates. That’s because they don’t exist, and his entire experience on the thread has been to offer lies. So long. I seriously doubt any FReepers were fooled, or impressed by the stuff he posted. At least not guaging by the PMs I got.

Sorry for intruding into your echo chamber, but I don't represent even close to a majority of the views of the posters on FR.

I'm sure you don't.

206 posted on 03/21/2008 10:57:02 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: metmom
Bigger than cancer? Diabetes? Malaria? TB? Dysentary?

Yes, bigger than all of those. I think malaria is probably second. Obesity and related conditions (including type ii diabetes and several associated forms of heart disease) probably third and climbing.

I think most public health professionals (and I am certainly not one) would agree with me, and I would hope their opinions would carry a bit more weight.

You don't think there aren't diseases in Africa that claim more lives than AIDS/HIV is alleged to, that don't deserve the funding?

I've been pretty clear on this throughout the thread: that I am in no way expert enough to place monetary values on different diseases. That's way outside my field of expertise, and best left to budget analysts and policy makers. I originally came on this thread to fight posters who seemed to be saying that any funding to develop treatments or vaccines for HIV/AIDS is problematic. That's wrong, that's radically wrong and that's what I'm arguing against.

207 posted on 03/21/2008 10:57:44 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: metmom; Judith Anne; glock rocks
truer words were never spoken.

Ok, I need another cup of coffee. I admit when I screwed up and I sure screwed up that sentence! Have at it, folks.

Cheers!

208 posted on 03/21/2008 10:59:27 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
The common cold isn’t a lifestyle decision.

The hell it isn't. There are plenty of behaviors that predispose you to catching or spreading a cold: associating with large numbers of other people is very often voluntary and avoidable. Going to a concert, a bar, or a theater will expose you to lots of other people. Choosing to go see a movie each week, regardless of the consequences, is a lifestyle choice.

Washing or not washing hands may not seem like a "lifestyle choice," but it's really not a lot different than choosing to use or not use a condom.

People can take sick days or choose not to, they can apply for jobs in risky environments (e.g. elementary schools, hospitals) and they can choose in some cases to telecommute.

All of those decisions are in some senses lifestyle choices, and all have a huge effect on your chances of catching or spreading a cold (or flu or other such ailment).

209 posted on 03/21/2008 11:05:05 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Yet the only threads in which the victims of a disease are regularly blamed are HIV/AIDS threads.

With all due respect, promiscuous anal sex is a lot different than not washing your hands. So too are the consequences of the behavior, or failure to act.

If you cannot see a moral distinction between the two situations, I cannot help you. It's sort of one of those, "you either get it or you don't."

Seems to me though, you are spending a lot of time in "self-righteous moral indignation" (I think that's the phrase you used) about folks who do see the difference between the two situations and are cheeky enough to say so. Your morality says that anyone who sees a moral dimension to sexual issues should shut up NOW. If they don't, Alter Kaker will scold them like Church Lady. See the irony?

210 posted on 03/21/2008 11:19:39 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: metmom
This is probably good news. Because when they develop one, they'll surely want to pump it into your kids, shortly after birth.
211 posted on 03/21/2008 11:24:43 AM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: metmom
This mindset of spending so much for a cure is equivalent to telling people not to bother washing their hands to prevent colds, we’ll just find a cure for colds. Or telling people not to bother quitting smoking, or watching what they eat, because we’ll just simply find a *cure* for whatever afflicts them. Then all the blame for the consequences is on the people who didn’t find the cure. It absolves people of personal responsibility. Besides, with all those other diseases, we already ARE advising lifestyle choices, something that isn’t happening with the AIDS/HIV issue. So what happens next? Say a vaccine is discovered? The next step would be making it mandatory for the entire population just because some might at some point engage in risky behavior? Or become the victim of unfortunate circumstances? Just like what is happening with the HPV vaccine? Those infected with AIDS/HIV have a moral responsibility to stop their behavior that they KNOW will result in the deaths of others and stop shifting the blame for that on anyone else who hasn’t found a cure. But moral behavior is something the GLBT community is not known for, so I wouldn’t expect this level of responsibility from them.

Very nicely said.

212 posted on 03/21/2008 11:25:56 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: AD from SpringBay
"If the vaccine were accompanied by self-control it might work better"

What bearing does behavior have on the effectiveness of a vaccine?


213 posted on 03/21/2008 11:29:29 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Alter Kaker; Guenevere
You want to shut down sub-Saharan Africa?

Idiotic argument.

It "breeds" right here.


214 posted on 03/21/2008 11:31:02 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: ModelBreaker
Seems to me though, you are spending a lot of time in "self-righteous moral indignation" (I think that's the phrase you used) about folks who do see the difference between the two situations and are cheeky enough to say so. Your morality says that anyone who sees a moral dimension to sexual issues should shut up NOW. If they don't, Alter Kaker will scold them like Church Lady. See the irony?

**********************

That sound you hear is me, applauding. Well done.

215 posted on 03/21/2008 11:33:45 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: I see my hands

Prepare for an onslaught. Commonsense is not permitted on this thread.


216 posted on 03/21/2008 11:38:14 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: metmom

As far as I know hardly any virus has ever been cured. We cure Polio by imbuing a kind of immunity by infecting someone with it.

Heck we can’t even cure the common cold. Research on AIDS is a waste of money for a virus that people get by voluntarily engaing in activities that get them infected. It is better to use that money for diseases that have far greater impact on the human race than a disease we are only fighting because of the gay lobby.


217 posted on 03/21/2008 12:19:52 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

engaing=engaging


218 posted on 03/21/2008 12:20:40 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Alter Kaker
Prepare for an onslaught. Commonsense is not permitted on this thread.

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Evidently, whining is permitted, however.

219 posted on 03/21/2008 12:23:21 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: isrul

Exactly. Just like they’re trying with HPV.


220 posted on 03/21/2008 12:28:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

500 million dollars


221 posted on 03/21/2008 1:16:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Cacique

HIV is spread primarily by two routes: sex and IV drugs. It’s very easy to avoid getting HIV. Not having sex with African bisexual heroin addicts is a really good idea.


222 posted on 03/21/2008 1:31:19 PM PDT by TampaDude (Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.)
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To: 50sDad
I am no expert...but have we ever killed a virus?

Polio is or was nearly dead. But it was killed by "starvation". The vaccine prevents one from getting, and also from spreading, the disease.

However, unlike antibiotics used against bacteria, a vaccine doesn't kill the infection, a virus in this case, if you've already gotten it.

223 posted on 03/21/2008 1:52:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Alter Kaker
Yet the only threads in which the victims of a disease are regularly blamed are HIV/AIDS threads.

Colds are not spread exclusively by touch. Isn't the cold virus generally an airborne one as well as a "surfaces" one? Kinda hard to stop breathing, but stop putting things in the wrong places is much easier. So is not sticking things, used needles for example, into your body for recreational purposes.

It wouldn't even require the end to homosexual practices nor drug use, just other than promiscuous anal sex and use of new needles.

224 posted on 03/21/2008 1:59:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: metmom

Zip it and voila, no problem.


225 posted on 03/21/2008 2:00:03 PM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: massgopguy
It’s the only STD that was ever afforded civil rights.

Certainly they used to keep records of persons, and their "contacts" with such diseases as syphilis and gonorrhea. Sometimes they would quarantine them. They most certainly quarantined people with other highly contagious and often deadly diseases. AIDS seems to be deadly much more than merely "often".

226 posted on 03/21/2008 2:03:18 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Judith Anne

“What’s makes the sexual lifestyle choice more “special” than the other diseases”

The government feels guilty for inventing HIV to kill the black man :).


227 posted on 03/21/2008 2:04:12 PM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: Alter Kaker
So again, I repeat my question: Why do posters on FR treat HIV/AIDS differently?

As a fat guy myself, I can report that there is no sympathy here for people who have various conditions due to their own gluttony and sloth.

I feel the same way about smokers, now that the effects are well docutmented, at least on the smokers themselves. I've got a brother and a couple of sisters in law who have that particular vice. It's not nearly so deadly as AIDS, but deadly enough, if slower.

228 posted on 03/21/2008 2:08:12 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
The best prevention is to avoid non-natural sex and to not take drugs with needles.

Correct on the various dangerous sexual practices, particularly promiscuously engaged in. But taking drugs with needles is not the problem, taking drugs with shared "dirty" needles most certainly is.

Basically AIDS is spread through blood to blood contact, although other bodily fluids can be the 'carrier' from the 'donor' as well. Avoid getting the blood or "other bodily fluids" in contact with your own blood, while it's still in your body, and you'll avoid AIDS. But you can wash your hands till the cows come home, and will still get colds.

229 posted on 03/21/2008 2:13:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Alter Kaker
The same way we could stop lung cancer and heart disease dead in their tracks by changing behavior? Why is HIV/AIDS different?

Because a lot of people don't like fags and the disgusting sexual practices that they practice which just so happen to cause them to catch this kind of filthy disease.

230 posted on 03/21/2008 2:24:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: Vaquero

Eradication of a serious disease for free. Imagine that.


231 posted on 03/21/2008 3:03:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Commonsense is not permitted on this thread.

Actually, common sense abounds on this thread. Unfortunately, you aren't one of its contributors to it.

232 posted on 03/21/2008 3:24:25 PM PDT by Sister_T
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To: metmom
This mindset of spending so much for a cure is equivalent to telling people not to bother washing their hands to prevent colds, we’ll just find a cure for colds. Or telling people not to bother quitting smoking, or watching what they eat, because we’ll just simply find a *cure* for whatever afflicts them.

The thing is: Medicine is about finding cures. Or to quote House, M.D.: " Isn't treating patients why we became doctors? - No, treating illnesses is why we became doctors. Treating patients is what makes most doctors miserable.

A doctor will tell an alcoholic to get help, knowing full well that he won't. And that's ok, because it's not his job to get people to change.

Then all the blame for the consequences is on the people who didn’t find the cure. It absolves people of personal responsibility. Besides, with all those other diseases, we already ARE advising lifestyle choices, something that isn’t happening with the AIDS/HIV issue.

The problem is: The moment we begin to exclude "lifestyle choices" from medical coverage and research, the whole system will unravel. Let's say no funding for HIV/AIDS. Fine, I'm HIV-negative. But then I also insist on excluding diabetes type II and cardiovascular disease from being covered. Because that's a hundred times more costly for the general public. I am a health nut, I work out at least 5 hours a week, 5 hours during which other people can generate additional income, but still I am forced to pay for their repulsive lifestyle choices... and so forth, playing devils's advocate here...

So what happens next? Say a vaccine is discovered? The next step would be making it mandatory for the entire population just because some might at some point engage in risky behavior? Or become the victim of unfortunate circumstances? Just like what is happening with the HPV vaccine?

Basically. Maybe not mandatory, but recommended. Because it's a.) cheaper to vaccinate 100% than to treat 1-2% and b.) the best hope of containing / eradicating the disease.

But moral behavior is something the GLBT community is not known for, so I wouldn’t expect this level of responsibility from them.

The problem is: As so often you cannot legislate morals. That's like saying "Only moral people should be allowed to have guns". Doesn't work. Sometimes the greater good (avances in medicine / gun rights) means that you have to live with the side effects (more gun accidents, giving guns to people you don't like / treating people you don't like). But that doesn't necessarily mean that the overall objective is wrong (freedom from opression, protecting your family / freedom / protection from disease).
233 posted on 03/21/2008 3:29:27 PM PDT by wolf78
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To: metmom

No erection; no injection.


234 posted on 03/21/2008 4:16:31 PM PDT by toddlintown (On Obama's moral compass, "N" doesn't stand for "North.")
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To: Judith Anne; panaxanax
I also read here today, in an article about a homosexual suing because the Red Cross and health bureau are discriminating against homosexuals in not letting them donate blood. Moronic I know, however in relation to this thread, Africa does not take the Universal Precautions we do here, and homosexuals can and do donate there.

I thought it was interesting finding that out. One more reason for the elevated levels of AIDS cases there.

235 posted on 03/21/2008 4:44:12 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Centurion2000
Because a lot of people don't like fags

Ok so let me get this straight. You don't like American homosexuals, so you want 40 million people, a large majority of whom aren't homosexuals but who are infected with the same disease that many American homosexuals have, to die? Am I missing the logical connection there? Because that doesn't seem to make too much sense to me.

I don't get what a Zulu in South Africa, a Kalanga in Botswana or a Chewa in Malawi have to do with a Liberace in the States other than the fact that their infections look similar in a lab. But again, maybe I'm missing something.

236 posted on 03/21/2008 5:16:35 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: metmom
This disease was enabled by an immoral society having no self control. If they'd get back to God's way of doing things, this disease wouldn't be a problem.

You know, it seems to me that whenever a disease like this existed in the past that it was quarantined until the affected people were either cured or passed away. Not that I'm trying to sound heartless because I know there are those who contracted it through no fault of their own (i.e. blood tranfusions), but shouldn't the medical community be doing this now?

237 posted on 03/21/2008 5:32:22 PM PDT by pctech
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To: Alter Kaker
Ok so let me get this straight. You don't like American homosexuals, so you want 40 million people, a large majority of whom aren't homosexuals but who are infected with the same disease that many American homosexuals have, to die?

No, I just don't care if they do. I do not want my tax dollars going to research this. We, as Americans, have better and more important things to focus on than the plight of infected homsexuals and africans.

238 posted on 03/21/2008 5:33:27 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: Centurion2000
No, I just don't care if they do.

Let me guess. You're also "pro-choice?"

The culture of death is hard at work.

239 posted on 03/21/2008 6:07:33 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

You need a reality check. Even if there should be a treatment, or cure, for AIDS/HIV, do you really think it’s going to be used on those supposedly 40 million (where ever that number comes from) over in Africa?

It’s clearly going to go to the gays here in the US and over in Europe first, the ones who have the money and resources to avail themselves of it.

Do you really think that the corrupt, brutal, despots over there who don’t give a rats butt about their people, who abscond with food sent for relief and deliberately starve their own people, are going to all of a sudden allow AIDS treatments?

And just how are these people, who are starving and can hardly afford food and clothes going to pay for this treatment even if they could get it.

AIDS/HIV research is not about finding a sure for those afflicted in Africa no matter how much you say it is. The push is for gays from gays. If they really cared about those in Africa, they’d be doing something about it themselves. They’d be sending relief and going themselves. They’d be warning people here to stop the lifestyle that causes this and they aren’t.


240 posted on 03/21/2008 6:07:56 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alter Kaker
How would you frame a disease that has already killed 25 million people?

I like to think of it as society's filter!

with a few exceptions it picks the immoral and base people who are gratuitously polluting the image of God they bear, and slowly removes them from circulation. Like the death penalty, there is an occasional innocent person who dies, but for the most part the system works well and is well worth having. If AIDS did not exist our nation would have spiraled into debauchery much faster than it is now progressing in that direction. If only we could create a disease that only attacks socialists or radical muslims I'd welcome that plague too.

It seems odd to me that the same kooks who want a reduction in human population "for the environment" also sometimes want a cure for AIDS. I would think an eco-nut should love AIDS.

241 posted on 03/21/2008 6:24:14 PM PDT by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You da man!


242 posted on 03/21/2008 6:48:09 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: metmom
Even if there should be a treatment, or cure, for AIDS/HIV, do you really think it’s going to be used on those supposedly 40 million (where ever that number comes from) over in Africa?

Yes, I do.

Even if there should be a treatment, or cure, for AIDS/HIV, do you really think it’s going to be used on those supposedly 40 million (where ever that number comes from) over in Africa?

It's beyond evident that you don't know what you're talking about. To wit, some of the worst affected countries in Africa include Lesotho (stable, multi-party democracy), Botswana (stable, multi-party democracy), South Africa (stable, multi-party democracy), and Malawi (stable, multi-party democracy). Before you dismiss the lives of tens of millions of infected human beings as not worth saving, maybe you should learn a little about what you're talking about. Just a suggestion.

AIDS/HIV research is not about finding a sure for those afflicted in Africa no matter how much you say it is. The push is for gays from gays.

Yup, that's it again. Because I'm anti-AIDS I must be gay. Winning argument there!

243 posted on 03/21/2008 6:58:06 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: ME-262
with a few exceptions it picks the immoral and base people who are gratuitously polluting the image of God they bear, and slowly removes them from circulation.

Few exceptions? There are already 12 MILLION orphaned children in Africa whose parents have died of AIDS. By contrast, "only" six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. "Only" 1.5 million Cambodians were murdered by Pol Pot's regime in the 1970s. "Only" 500,000 people were killed in the Rwandan genocide.

And right now, today there are 12 million orphaned children -- every one of whom counts as one of your "few" exceptions -- in Africa.

Now please, go on. Who is making the "immoral and base" argument?

244 posted on 03/21/2008 7:04:21 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Maybe you could verify those figures.

Maybe you could provide sources to back up all the other statements you've made that people have asked for sources for and you've ignored.

Because I'm anti-AIDS I must be gay. Winning argument there!

Only you would think so cause it sure doesn't make sense to me. And I never said that either. Are you going to put words into my mouth and accuse me of saying something I didn't say, too?

If you really believe that any cure for AIDS will ever make it to Africa and help those you claim to be so concerned about, I have some land in FL to sell you.

BTW, just out of curiosity, what ARE you doing to help those in Africa afflicted with AIDS/HIV?

245 posted on 03/21/2008 7:07:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Maybe you could verify those figures.

What figures do you want me to verify, exactly? I'm happy to cite anything. Have a specific query?

Maybe you could provide sources to back up all the other statements you've made that people have asked for sources for and you've ignored.

If there's been a specific request for documentation, then I've missed it. Give me a specific question about anything I've said and I'll answer it.

246 posted on 03/21/2008 7:15:16 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
The AIDS virus doesn't (as far as we know) float through the air, enter your nose, and infect you. As Rush Limbaugh has said: You have to go out and find the AIDS virus, it doesn't find you.

There are a very few (and tragic) exceptions to this, such as children born with AIDS, and people who get it through transfusions (rare these days). Other unfortunate victims are those who get it because they don't know their sex partners are promiscuous. But most AIDS still comes from BEHAVIOR: homosexual acts, promiscuous sex, and IV drug use.

Comparing AIDS with rhinovirus infections is a non-starter. Come up with another argument.

247 posted on 03/21/2008 7:42:47 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Alter Kaker; Judith Anne
Judith Anne-Post 46: Any idea how much money is devoted to research for a CURE for lung cancer, vs a CURE for HIV?

AK: No reply.

metmom post 74 Gee, Judith Anne, you accused him of being gay? I looked but didn’t see that. Where did that happen?

AK: No reply.

Judith Anne post 106 Who said that? Name somebody.

AK: No reply.

Judith Anne post 107 Got a link? Got a post number?

AK: No reply.

Judith Anne post 148 Any idea how many in the US, where all the fuss is, are living with HIV?

AK: No reply.

metmom post 198 Bigger than cancer? Diabetes? Malaria? TB? Dysentary? Let's see some data to support that statement.

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metmom post 245 Maybe you could verify those figures.Maybe you could provide sources to back up all the other statements you've made that people have asked for sources for and you've ignored.

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Just so we're clear about what I'm asking for....What figures? The figures you keep spouting about how many people have AIDS, where they live, how many people have died from it, how many deaths that have orphaned children. All the numbers that are verified to have come from AIDS/HIV.

What are your sources? Where are you getting the numbers? How do you know they're accurate?

248 posted on 03/21/2008 7:47:52 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Most likely the ‘12 Million’ AIDS orphans will grow up with the adults in their lives showing more sexual restraint than their dead forbearer's. Perhaps they will learn a valuable lesson from their parents demise and practice the morality their parents rejected and not repeat their mistake, or not and the cycle repeats. Either way they have a choice, and they know the consequences. Hopefully somebody is over there teaching them morality and not just handing out condoms and preaching immorality without consequences. The lie of immorality without consequences got their parents killed. I hope many will be smart enough to see the truth. It is Amazing that in the technologically advanced age we live one continent still has witchdoctors and cannibals around the continent. A morally upright people could rule the world from a continent smaller than that.
249 posted on 03/21/2008 8:02:43 PM PDT by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: stevio

HIV/AIDS mutates constantly.

Just saw a science television show about mutations. Mice have now (actually about 20 years ago) been subjected to small pox. It changes everything we know about small pox. Our vaccinations as children will not contain this outbreak if it should happen.

The Russians in Siberia had enough of the vapors of the disease to spread over every large city in the world.

The Siberian plant has been closed for some ten years. Where is the serum? No one really knows.

The CDC here in the U.S. think they have found a vaccination, and we have enough for every person in the U.S. as well as for other countries.

It’s not like Ebola. You can only get Ebola from touch. Small Pox is in the air.

HIV/AIDS is passed from one carrier to another, and it has to go into the blood stream some way or another.

Colds? Someone sneezes 25 feet from you and you have it. I also use the Clorox wipies to wipe down the baskets. Guess what? Little kids who look and act healthy are picking up items in the grocery store to put in mom or dad’s basket and the item(s) are put back on the shelf. Hello, you get a cold.

Small Pox scares me.


250 posted on 03/21/2008 8:49:38 PM PDT by Slip18
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