Idiotic argument.
It "breeds" right here.
Posted on 03/21/2008 5:39:05 AM PDT by metmom
AIDS can be cured by massive injections of concentrated cash. And it's no longer the "hip" disease; Cancer is.
If you figure out a way for me to get paid to post on FR, will you please let me know?
Thanks!
Regards,
Alter Kaker
PS.... figured I'd respond to this gem:
So long. I seriously doubt any FReepers were fooled, or impressed by the stuff he posted. At least not guaging by the PMs I got.Well, I'll for one be shedding many tears for you Judy, but you might be interested to know that I've gotten a number of supportive PMs from people who feel you and your ilk (yes, ilk) aren't worth arguing with. Sorry for intruding into your echo chamber, but I don't represent even close to a majority of the views of the posters on FR.
Truer words were never spoken.
Concur.
The common cold isn’t a lifestyle decision. Getting a cold isn’t being an intravenous drug user or having unprotected sex with high risk individuals.
In the case of blood transfusions your statement rings true.
Sorry for intruding into your echo chamber, but I don't represent even close to a majority of the views of the posters on FR.
I'm sure you don't.
Yes, bigger than all of those. I think malaria is probably second. Obesity and related conditions (including type ii diabetes and several associated forms of heart disease) probably third and climbing.
I think most public health professionals (and I am certainly not one) would agree with me, and I would hope their opinions would carry a bit more weight.
You don't think there aren't diseases in Africa that claim more lives than AIDS/HIV is alleged to, that don't deserve the funding?
I've been pretty clear on this throughout the thread: that I am in no way expert enough to place monetary values on different diseases. That's way outside my field of expertise, and best left to budget analysts and policy makers. I originally came on this thread to fight posters who seemed to be saying that any funding to develop treatments or vaccines for HIV/AIDS is problematic. That's wrong, that's radically wrong and that's what I'm arguing against.
Ok, I need another cup of coffee. I admit when I screwed up and I sure screwed up that sentence! Have at it, folks.
Cheers!
The hell it isn't. There are plenty of behaviors that predispose you to catching or spreading a cold: associating with large numbers of other people is very often voluntary and avoidable. Going to a concert, a bar, or a theater will expose you to lots of other people. Choosing to go see a movie each week, regardless of the consequences, is a lifestyle choice.
Washing or not washing hands may not seem like a "lifestyle choice," but it's really not a lot different than choosing to use or not use a condom.
People can take sick days or choose not to, they can apply for jobs in risky environments (e.g. elementary schools, hospitals) and they can choose in some cases to telecommute.
All of those decisions are in some senses lifestyle choices, and all have a huge effect on your chances of catching or spreading a cold (or flu or other such ailment).
With all due respect, promiscuous anal sex is a lot different than not washing your hands. So too are the consequences of the behavior, or failure to act.
If you cannot see a moral distinction between the two situations, I cannot help you. It's sort of one of those, "you either get it or you don't."
Seems to me though, you are spending a lot of time in "self-righteous moral indignation" (I think that's the phrase you used) about folks who do see the difference between the two situations and are cheeky enough to say so. Your morality says that anyone who sees a moral dimension to sexual issues should shut up NOW. If they don't, Alter Kaker will scold them like Church Lady. See the irony?
Very nicely said.
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Idiotic argument.
It "breeds" right here.
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That sound you hear is me, applauding. Well done.
Prepare for an onslaught. Commonsense is not permitted on this thread.
As far as I know hardly any virus has ever been cured. We cure Polio by imbuing a kind of immunity by infecting someone with it.
Heck we can’t even cure the common cold. Research on AIDS is a waste of money for a virus that people get by voluntarily engaing in activities that get them infected. It is better to use that money for diseases that have far greater impact on the human race than a disease we are only fighting because of the gay lobby.
engaing=engaging
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Evidently, whining is permitted, however.
Exactly. Just like they’re trying with HPV.
500 million dollars
HIV is spread primarily by two routes: sex and IV drugs. It’s very easy to avoid getting HIV. Not having sex with African bisexual heroin addicts is a really good idea.
Polio is or was nearly dead. But it was killed by "starvation". The vaccine prevents one from getting, and also from spreading, the disease.
However, unlike antibiotics used against bacteria, a vaccine doesn't kill the infection, a virus in this case, if you've already gotten it.
Colds are not spread exclusively by touch. Isn't the cold virus generally an airborne one as well as a "surfaces" one? Kinda hard to stop breathing, but stop putting things in the wrong places is much easier. So is not sticking things, used needles for example, into your body for recreational purposes.
It wouldn't even require the end to homosexual practices nor drug use, just other than promiscuous anal sex and use of new needles.
Zip it and voila, no problem.
Certainly they used to keep records of persons, and their "contacts" with such diseases as syphilis and gonorrhea. Sometimes they would quarantine them. They most certainly quarantined people with other highly contagious and often deadly diseases. AIDS seems to be deadly much more than merely "often".
“What’s makes the sexual lifestyle choice more “special” than the other diseases”
The government feels guilty for inventing HIV to kill the black man :).
As a fat guy myself, I can report that there is no sympathy here for people who have various conditions due to their own gluttony and sloth.
I feel the same way about smokers, now that the effects are well docutmented, at least on the smokers themselves. I've got a brother and a couple of sisters in law who have that particular vice. It's not nearly so deadly as AIDS, but deadly enough, if slower.
Correct on the various dangerous sexual practices, particularly promiscuously engaged in. But taking drugs with needles is not the problem, taking drugs with shared "dirty" needles most certainly is.
Basically AIDS is spread through blood to blood contact, although other bodily fluids can be the 'carrier' from the 'donor' as well. Avoid getting the blood or "other bodily fluids" in contact with your own blood, while it's still in your body, and you'll avoid AIDS. But you can wash your hands till the cows come home, and will still get colds.
Because a lot of people don't like fags and the disgusting sexual practices that they practice which just so happen to cause them to catch this kind of filthy disease.
Eradication of a serious disease for free. Imagine that.
Actually, common sense abounds on this thread. Unfortunately, you aren't one of its contributors to it.
No erection; no injection.
I thought it was interesting finding that out. One more reason for the elevated levels of AIDS cases there.
Ok so let me get this straight. You don't like American homosexuals, so you want 40 million people, a large majority of whom aren't homosexuals but who are infected with the same disease that many American homosexuals have, to die? Am I missing the logical connection there? Because that doesn't seem to make too much sense to me.
I don't get what a Zulu in South Africa, a Kalanga in Botswana or a Chewa in Malawi have to do with a Liberace in the States other than the fact that their infections look similar in a lab. But again, maybe I'm missing something.
You know, it seems to me that whenever a disease like this existed in the past that it was quarantined until the affected people were either cured or passed away. Not that I'm trying to sound heartless because I know there are those who contracted it through no fault of their own (i.e. blood tranfusions), but shouldn't the medical community be doing this now?
No, I just don't care if they do. I do not want my tax dollars going to research this. We, as Americans, have better and more important things to focus on than the plight of infected homsexuals and africans.
Let me guess. You're also "pro-choice?"
The culture of death is hard at work.
You need a reality check. Even if there should be a treatment, or cure, for AIDS/HIV, do you really think it’s going to be used on those supposedly 40 million (where ever that number comes from) over in Africa?
It’s clearly going to go to the gays here in the US and over in Europe first, the ones who have the money and resources to avail themselves of it.
Do you really think that the corrupt, brutal, despots over there who don’t give a rats butt about their people, who abscond with food sent for relief and deliberately starve their own people, are going to all of a sudden allow AIDS treatments?
And just how are these people, who are starving and can hardly afford food and clothes going to pay for this treatment even if they could get it.
AIDS/HIV research is not about finding a sure for those afflicted in Africa no matter how much you say it is. The push is for gays from gays. If they really cared about those in Africa, they’d be doing something about it themselves. They’d be sending relief and going themselves. They’d be warning people here to stop the lifestyle that causes this and they aren’t.
I like to think of it as society's filter!
with a few exceptions it picks the immoral and base people who are gratuitously polluting the image of God they bear, and slowly removes them from circulation. Like the death penalty, there is an occasional innocent person who dies, but for the most part the system works well and is well worth having. If AIDS did not exist our nation would have spiraled into debauchery much faster than it is now progressing in that direction. If only we could create a disease that only attacks socialists or radical muslims I'd welcome that plague too.
It seems odd to me that the same kooks who want a reduction in human population "for the environment" also sometimes want a cure for AIDS. I would think an eco-nut should love AIDS.
You da man!
Yes, I do.
Even if there should be a treatment, or cure, for AIDS/HIV, do you really think it’s going to be used on those supposedly 40 million (where ever that number comes from) over in Africa?
It's beyond evident that you don't know what you're talking about. To wit, some of the worst affected countries in Africa include Lesotho (stable, multi-party democracy), Botswana (stable, multi-party democracy), South Africa (stable, multi-party democracy), and Malawi (stable, multi-party democracy). Before you dismiss the lives of tens of millions of infected human beings as not worth saving, maybe you should learn a little about what you're talking about. Just a suggestion.
AIDS/HIV research is not about finding a sure for those afflicted in Africa no matter how much you say it is. The push is for gays from gays.
Yup, that's it again. Because I'm anti-AIDS I must be gay. Winning argument there!
Few exceptions? There are already 12 MILLION orphaned children in Africa whose parents have died of AIDS. By contrast, "only" six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. "Only" 1.5 million Cambodians were murdered by Pol Pot's regime in the 1970s. "Only" 500,000 people were killed in the Rwandan genocide.
And right now, today there are 12 million orphaned children -- every one of whom counts as one of your "few" exceptions -- in Africa.
Now please, go on. Who is making the "immoral and base" argument?
Maybe you could provide sources to back up all the other statements you've made that people have asked for sources for and you've ignored.
Because I'm anti-AIDS I must be gay. Winning argument there!
Only you would think so cause it sure doesn't make sense to me. And I never said that either. Are you going to put words into my mouth and accuse me of saying something I didn't say, too?
If you really believe that any cure for AIDS will ever make it to Africa and help those you claim to be so concerned about, I have some land in FL to sell you.
BTW, just out of curiosity, what ARE you doing to help those in Africa afflicted with AIDS/HIV?
What figures do you want me to verify, exactly? I'm happy to cite anything. Have a specific query?
Maybe you could provide sources to back up all the other statements you've made that people have asked for sources for and you've ignored.
If there's been a specific request for documentation, then I've missed it. Give me a specific question about anything I've said and I'll answer it.
There are a very few (and tragic) exceptions to this, such as children born with AIDS, and people who get it through transfusions (rare these days). Other unfortunate victims are those who get it because they don't know their sex partners are promiscuous. But most AIDS still comes from BEHAVIOR: homosexual acts, promiscuous sex, and IV drug use.
Comparing AIDS with rhinovirus infections is a non-starter. Come up with another argument.
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metmom post 74 Gee, Judith Anne, you accused him of being gay? I looked but didn’t see that. Where did that happen?
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Judith Anne post 106 Who said that? Name somebody.
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Judith Anne post 107 Got a link? Got a post number?
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Judith Anne post 148 Any idea how many in the US, where all the fuss is, are living with HIV?
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metmom post 198 Bigger than cancer? Diabetes? Malaria? TB? Dysentary? Let's see some data to support that statement.
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metmom post 245 Maybe you could verify those figures.Maybe you could provide sources to back up all the other statements you've made that people have asked for sources for and you've ignored.
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Just so we're clear about what I'm asking for....What figures? The figures you keep spouting about how many people have AIDS, where they live, how many people have died from it, how many deaths that have orphaned children. All the numbers that are verified to have come from AIDS/HIV.
What are your sources? Where are you getting the numbers? How do you know they're accurate?
HIV/AIDS mutates constantly.
Just saw a science television show about mutations. Mice have now (actually about 20 years ago) been subjected to small pox. It changes everything we know about small pox. Our vaccinations as children will not contain this outbreak if it should happen.
The Russians in Siberia had enough of the vapors of the disease to spread over every large city in the world.
The Siberian plant has been closed for some ten years. Where is the serum? No one really knows.
The CDC here in the U.S. think they have found a vaccination, and we have enough for every person in the U.S. as well as for other countries.
It’s not like Ebola. You can only get Ebola from touch. Small Pox is in the air.
HIV/AIDS is passed from one carrier to another, and it has to go into the blood stream some way or another.
Colds? Someone sneezes 25 feet from you and you have it. I also use the Clorox wipies to wipe down the baskets. Guess what? Little kids who look and act healthy are picking up items in the grocery store to put in mom or dad’s basket and the item(s) are put back on the shelf. Hello, you get a cold.
Small Pox scares me.
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