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White House: Computer hard drives tossed
AP on Yahoo ^ | 3/21/08 | Pete Yost - ap

Posted on 03/21/2008 7:37:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Older White House computer hard drives have been destroyed, the White House disclosed to a federal court Friday in a controversy over millions of possibly missing e-mails from 2003 to 2005.

The White House revealed new information about how it handles its computers in an effort to persuade a federal magistrate it would be fruitless to undertake an e-mail recovery plan that the court proposed.

"When workstations are at the end of their lifecycle and retired ... the hard drives are generally sent offsite to another government entity for physical destruction," the White House said in a sworn declaration filed with U.S. Magistrate Judge John Facciola.

It has been the goal of a White House Office of Administration "refresh program" to replace one-third of its workstations every year in the Executive Office of the President, according to the declaration.

Some, but not necessarily all, of the data on old hard drives is moved to new computer hard drives, the declaration added.

In proposing an e-mail recovery plan Tuesday, Facciola expressed concern that a large volume of electronic messages may be missing from White House computer servers, as two private groups that are suing the White House allege.

Facciola proposed the drastic approach of going to individual workstations of White House computer users after the White House disclosed in January that it recycled its computer backup tapes before October 2003. Recycling — taping over existing data — raises the possibility that any missing e-mails may not be recoverable.

At a House committee hearing last month, a computer expert who previously worked at the White House called the e-mail system "primitive" and said it was set up in a way that created a high risk that data would be lost from White House servers where it was being archived.

Under pressure to provide details about its computer system, the White House told the congressional committee that it never completed work that began in 2003 on a planned records management and e-mail archiving system. The White House canceled the project in late 2006 and says it is still working on a new version.

In the absence of a permanent archiving system, the White House has been archiving e-mails on White House servers since early in the administration.

The White House says it does not know if any e-mails are missing, but is looking into the matter.

It would be costly and time-consuming for the White House to institute an e-mail retrieval program that entails pulling data off each individual workstation, the court papers filed Friday state.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; computer; harddrives; recycle; tossed; whitehouse; wildgoosechase
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1 posted on 03/21/2008 7:37:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

i’m sure google has a copy of those emails somewhere.


2 posted on 03/21/2008 7:40:19 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Osama: the ultimate superdelegate.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Good. How about getting hard drives from Congress and dig through all their files and emails?


3 posted on 03/21/2008 7:41:12 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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U.S. President George W. Bush (L) speaks about "The National President's Challenge" in the East Garden of the White House in Washington while Eli Manning, quarterback for the New York Giants football team, and fitness celebrity Denise Austin, listen March 20, 2008. REUTERS/Larry Downing (UNITED STATES)


4 posted on 03/21/2008 7:41:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s happened before. To bad Nixon slipped up...


5 posted on 03/21/2008 7:42:02 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL!


6 posted on 03/21/2008 7:42:17 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Liberty Valance

Good.


7 posted on 03/21/2008 7:43:14 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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Comment #8 Removed by Moderator

I'm fighting a damn'd war on terrorism and the democrats want to
dic around with old emails ,, talk about your screwed up priorities.

(what I wish he said.)

(AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

9 posted on 03/21/2008 7:48:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: m3d1um

I’m amazed that anyone is amazed that hard drives are destroyed. I’d destroy them too.


10 posted on 03/21/2008 7:48:18 PM PDT by Taliesan
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m glad the lessons of Nixon’s office tapes have not been lost on the Bush Administration. This data would simply have been fodder for more wasted time by the lowest-rated Congress in modern history.


11 posted on 03/21/2008 7:48:43 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: m3d1um

Care to get into any specifics?


12 posted on 03/21/2008 7:49:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: m3d1um

Yo! Most of them are Clinton holdovers.. thank you Algore.
Take your embarassment to the next National Security Breach that compromises this nation more than the WaPo, NYT, PSMNBC
etc.


13 posted on 03/21/2008 7:49:36 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: m3d1um

I’m proud of them. I crack my old hard drives open and smash them with a hammer.


14 posted on 03/21/2008 7:50:17 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: NormsRevenge

Denise Austin is hot for her age.


15 posted on 03/21/2008 7:50:22 PM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: NormsRevenge

16 posted on 03/21/2008 7:51:23 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: m3d1um

WTF??

If you own a busniess and you have anything to do with HIPPA rules (you do if you offer employess heath insurance) and you just throw your computer in the trash and it is discovered by a third party and turned into the Feds or State, you’d get the book thrown at you.


17 posted on 03/21/2008 7:52:17 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: m3d1um
This administration is unbelievable. I’m ashamed at the level of corruption and damage GWB and his cronies has done to the Republican party.

What are you jabbering about? They cannot leave the hard drives around for every Hillary, Nancy and Harry to look through, copy, save, etc. For the sake of National Security the hard drives needed to be destroyed. They saved the e-mails. They said they destroyed the hard drives...did they also say they destroyed the back-ups? ;)

18 posted on 03/21/2008 7:52:26 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Perdogg

She used to serve in a similar fitness council role when GHW Bush was in office.. she’s probably mid 40 50ish now but looking good.


19 posted on 03/21/2008 7:52:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
I call BS. Somewhere there are servers with the messages stored. Old emails never die, they just wait to bite you on the a$$.
20 posted on 03/21/2008 7:53:42 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: madison10

It might be against the law to destroy them - depending on the contents.


21 posted on 03/21/2008 7:55:42 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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the White House said in a sworn declaration

Boy, I wish I'd been there to hear that. I've heard buildings talk before, but it's been a long time since I took any drugs.

22 posted on 03/21/2008 7:56:04 PM PDT by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: frankjr
I crack my old hard drives open and smash them with a hammer.

I used to open them to salvage the rare earth magnets inside.

Have you ever been in search of something to keep a heavy paper on the refrigerator? Look no more!

Oh, in case you don't know about rare earth magnets... they don't really stick to a refrigerator; its more like the refrigerator sticks to it; to separate, you steady the magnet and pull the frig away.

23 posted on 03/21/2008 7:58:34 PM PDT by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: NormsRevenge
[...] in an effort to persuade a federal magistrate it would be fruitless to undertake an e-mail recovery plan that the court proposed.

Now, c'mon; I KNOW that the White House SURELY backed up the data that was stored on those hard drives, and that the missing e-mails are located somewhere within the reach of the White House, right? I mean, they wouldn't just off and destroy the final repository of the e-mails in question would they? It couldn't POSSIBLY be a fruitless search now could it?

24 posted on 03/21/2008 7:58:54 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: NormsRevenge

She’s 51.


25 posted on 03/21/2008 8:00:28 PM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: mad_as_he$$
It might be against the law to destroy them - depending on the contents.

Failure to destroy them is definitely a violation of various privacy and national security laws.

26 posted on 03/21/2008 8:01:17 PM PDT by sourcery (The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I thought that everyone destroyed their old hard drives. Any time I’ve ever gotten a new PC, I’ve first taken and transferred some of my stuff to the new PC, left all the old junk, clutter, and old emails on the old drive. I then remove the drive from the chassis, take it outside and whop it a half dozen times with a 16 pound sledge. I don’t want some trash picker taking my old PC chasis out of the trash on trash day and browsing through my old bills, documents, and personal stuff. Even formatting the drive will not remove the files from a determined hacker. You have to physically destroy the drive.


27 posted on 03/21/2008 8:01:32 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: m3d1um

Kiss your arse good bye, troll


28 posted on 03/21/2008 8:04:32 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: NormsRevenge

I remember that just before W first took office he canceled his email accounts for this very reason. No ‘lectronic trail. Smart move.


29 posted on 03/21/2008 8:05:02 PM PDT by liege
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To: the invisib1e hand

Not if the emails were restricted to a LAN system restricted to the White House.


30 posted on 03/21/2008 8:05:05 PM PDT by doc1019 (God is in control ... not Global Warming.)
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To: Always Right
Good. How about getting hard drives from Congress and dig through all their files and emails?

Good idea, but I'd settle for a sweep of their refrigirators to see how many keep more than $10,000 there.

31 posted on 03/21/2008 8:07:02 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: BuffaloJack

Actually, you need a program that “wipes” the drive completely clear to prevent people from snooping on the drive. I believe there are programs out there that allow you to rewrite every sector with a single type of data (government rules require you do re-write every sector three times).


32 posted on 03/21/2008 8:08:01 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Admin Moderator

Did we get one? Cool!!!

I love trolling and hooking a trollfish,,, repeat offender , I’m sure. 8-)

Thanks!!


33 posted on 03/21/2008 8:08:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

same old story different administration. E-mails, what e-mails?


34 posted on 03/21/2008 8:08:58 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Admin Moderator

Dang, missed the zot.


35 posted on 03/21/2008 8:10:21 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: NormsRevenge

The word “tossed” was carefully chosen by the thought shapers at AP to imply the White House night janitor just pitched them in the dumpster out back.


36 posted on 03/21/2008 8:14:26 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: darkangel82

;)


37 posted on 03/21/2008 8:24:48 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: NormsRevenge
repeat offender , I’m sure.

He was a sleeper. Low volume poster.

38 posted on 03/21/2008 8:29:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

even better. :-)


39 posted on 03/21/2008 8:29:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge; All

btw, thanks everyone. You’re our eyes and ears.


40 posted on 03/21/2008 8:30:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: NormsRevenge
even better.

Indeed ;)

41 posted on 03/21/2008 8:31:26 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: mad_as_he$$

Depends on how it was set up. The WH mail system has been a goat rope for many years.


42 posted on 03/21/2008 8:38:31 PM PDT by Starwolf (I rode to work today, did you?)
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To: C210N
what part of the hard drive is that "rare earth" magnet? I've pulled a hard drive apart to show my kids how the platters spin and how the bearings allow the disc to rotate.

great for science projects.

43 posted on 03/21/2008 8:39:26 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Admin Moderator
Kiss your arse good bye, troll

Dang, missed that one. Who knows we might have been related.

Regards

44 posted on 03/21/2008 8:47:48 PM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: madison10
"What are you jabbering about? They cannot leave the hard drives around for every Hillary, Nancy and Harry to look through, copy, save, etc. For the sake of National Security the hard drives needed to be destroyed. They saved the e-mails. They said they destroyed the hard drives...did they also say they destroyed the back-ups?".

This is the Federal Court, not the Democrat party. The reason the court wants the data off the workstations is because the data is (apparently) deleted from the servers and the backup tapes have been "overwritten").

I realize that a lot of people here think it's just ducky that the current Administration is increasingly taking a "the law is what we say it is" approach to the courts and congress.

But as some of us were pointing out when many here wanted the then Republican majority in the senate to pull the trigger on the "nuclear option" on judges, what happens where their is a Democrat majority and/or President?

Fast forward to 2006, as it happened the first half of that political turnover happened just a few months later. Then, such tactics don't look so attractive. And "The Rule of Law" and "Separation of Powers" - long-term conservative bedrock principles some conservative were willing to discard for short term political gain - start to look like a Very Good Idea. i

45 posted on 03/21/2008 8:51:56 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: C210N

I love those magnets. They keep screws off the floor and the old lady off my back.


46 posted on 03/21/2008 8:59:02 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: ARE SOLE

lol


47 posted on 03/21/2008 9:01:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: NormsRevenge

It shouldn’t matter whether there’s a pubbie or a Dim in the WH - if the law says they have to archive the files, then they have to archive the files.

If they intentionally fail to archive files the law says they have to archive, then there is corruption in the WH. Whether the President is a Republican or a Democrat.

FR was founded on the principle of exposing corruption in government. Judging from some of the replies on this thread, it seems FR has a measure of corruption as well.


48 posted on 03/21/2008 9:05:54 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: NormsRevenge
Conyers has said he will vote to impeach after the Dems are elected in November. He doesn’t want to bring it up now, but if Obama or Clinton get in in November, they have till January to impeach Bush.
49 posted on 03/21/2008 9:27:24 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: tubebender
Government, even Fortune 500 companies IT departments have policies that prohibited just wiping and tossing of hard drives.

Physical destruction is REQUIRED.

And with good reason, and I don't mean to cover up misdeeds. But to protect vital and proprietary information.

50 posted on 03/21/2008 9:28:31 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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