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Tiny Towns in N.J. May Have to Merge [Corzine]
Washington Post ^ | 3/23/08 | kieth Richburg

Posted on 03/22/2008 4:42:56 PM PDT by Timeout

Corzine, who presided over mergers and acquisitions as chairman of Goldman Sachs, is telling hundreds of New Jersey's smallest towns and boroughs that they are too small to exist. Multiple layers of government are financially wasteful, he says, and the littlest towns and boroughs need to merge with their bigger neighbors to achieve economies of scale.

Corzine's incentive -- more like a hammer -- is a threatened cutoff of state aid. Under the governor's proposed budget, the state's 323 towns with populations of fewer than 10,000 people would face drastic cuts if they do not consolidate. Towns with populations between 5,000 and 10,000 people would see their aid sliced in half. Those with more than 10,000 would have their aid frozen at 2007 levels. And those such as Moonachie, with fewer than 5,000 people, would get zero state funding. Zilch.

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...fear, and anger at not being consulted in advance, seem to be stoking the opposition to the merger plan. The governor is facing no less than a revolt of the small towns. At stake, say the small-town boosters, is a tradition, a way of life and the very definition of democracy, which at its best should be the government that is closest to the people.

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The battle has prompted some gallows humor. A blog called "New Jersey: Politics Unusual" speculated on possible new names for merged towns. For example, if Hillsdale, Mount Airy and Clinton merged, they could rename their new town "Hillary Clinton." And Ho-Ho-Kus could merge with Hoboken and become "Ho-Ho-Ho."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: corzine; rural
WHy don't these blue states just cut to the chase and declare that everything belongs to the state. The state needs all that money to pay its employees and retirees their generous pensions, fer cryin' out loud. You'd think these mere citizens would understand that.
1 posted on 03/22/2008 4:42:59 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout

Sounds like trouble ahead for Cozine and he may end up being the one cut from the team.


2 posted on 03/22/2008 4:46:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Fzob

Right up your alley


3 posted on 03/22/2008 4:48:33 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Clemenza; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

Corzine to small NJ towns: “Drop dead !”


4 posted on 03/22/2008 4:49:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~***Just say NO to the "O"***~~~)
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To: Timeout
Apparently this is not an original idea with Corzine. Here is an article on the same issue from 1998. It never made any sense to me that there was a Princeton Borough right next to a Princeton Township, that they duplicated the same services, and the dividing line between them was right in the middle of Princeton.
5 posted on 03/22/2008 4:54:40 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Timeout

Except these towns are bastions of union featherbedding.

I once read somewhere that Bergen county alone has more firemen and fire stations than New York City.

If you want to cut costs, you have to go where the costs are.


6 posted on 03/22/2008 4:55:46 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: wideminded

I grew up in one of those little New Jersey towns. Corzine is right.


7 posted on 03/22/2008 5:02:53 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: Timeout
Screw you Corslime!

I like my little town, where the only perk we have is a full time road dept. & part time township committee (all Pubbies). No police, no trash pick up (we pay a private hauler) and our municipal taxes are low and waste free. It's the school taxes that are out of control!

8 posted on 03/22/2008 5:07:01 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Vote Obama! And we'll be picking shrapnel out of our butts for decades!)
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To: proxy_user

Yeah, except they are all unpaid volunteer firemen. So you know there is that.


9 posted on 03/22/2008 5:15:13 PM PDT by free me
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To: Publius

Corzine is not right. Almost all the towns effected by this proposal receive so little aid that the impact is insignificant.


10 posted on 03/22/2008 5:17:33 PM PDT by free me
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To: free me

effected = affected


11 posted on 03/22/2008 5:19:25 PM PDT by free me
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To: Timeout

This is such bull. I live in a town of 700 here. The only salary we pay is a couple thousand for the constable who tells people to move their cars when it snows and cut back their bushes. Volunteer fire, volunteer EMS, volunteer mayor, volunteer council, volunteer school board. Kids go to school in neighboring district. So if we merge with the nearest three towns in the county, all our services are going to be paid - and have those pensions that are breaking the state to go along with it.

You really want to save money, Mr. Corzine? Eliminate state grants. Our town has grubbed for state money for local improvements, just like any other town that once to get back some of what its citizens put in. Make all improvements locally funded; keep municipalities small, and the taxpayers will stop spending out of good sense.

Mrs VS


12 posted on 03/22/2008 5:32:07 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Timeout
Dear John Corzine....

There's nothing like telling folks that their vote does not count...

Hope you are wearing your seat belt on this one!

13 posted on 03/22/2008 5:39:17 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Timeout
WATCH OUT! Consolidation of power to a single central government is dangerous. The Government nearest to the people is more efficient and has better over sight. A centralized Government does not allow its people to be engaged and discourages “self rule.”
14 posted on 03/22/2008 5:41:12 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Coleus; JerseyHighlander
Maybe Corzine’s idea has merit, but he has no right to use intimidation to impose it.
15 posted on 03/22/2008 5:41:29 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Those in the national Republican leadership do the work of three men- Moe, Larry, and Curly.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Socialism gone wild - New Jersey voted this commie in and now they are gonna get what they voted for.


16 posted on 03/22/2008 5:48:45 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: princess leah

Hopefully, they’ll take it out on Frank Lautenberg.


17 posted on 03/22/2008 5:49:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Those in the national Republican leadership do the work of three men- Moe, Larry, and Curly.)
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To: Timeout

I wondered if it could get any worse for New Jersey. Yep. Maybe at least the southern half could save itself by seceding.
But that leaves the northwest portion in a bad spot. Maybe they should secede too. They’d be bigger than Rhode Island.


18 posted on 03/22/2008 5:58:28 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Solitar

Salem county should try hooking up with Delaware. The Delaware Memorial connects up there so there is road access.


19 posted on 03/22/2008 6:05:24 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Popman

Yep, we are affected in a big way. The problem is that Corzine is correct. His method may leave little to be desired but these small towns waste money like there’s no tomorrow. And it seems no matter how much it makes sense to combine SOME services to save a buck the stupid local politicians will not cede any power out of their slimy hands.


20 posted on 03/22/2008 6:10:29 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Timeout

I am a resident of onr such tiny New Jersey town. I hate this guy and all he stands for.

mrs


21 posted on 03/22/2008 6:25:27 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: proudmilitarymrs

spell check

one


22 posted on 03/22/2008 6:31:33 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: Windcatcher
Salem county should try hooking up with Delaware. The Delaware Memorial connects up there so there is road access.

Just Salem? Don't forget the Cape May ferry! Monmouth County and shore points south should secede and merge with Delaware. The rest of the state can merge with Cuba for all I care. (Corzine should feel right at home.)

23 posted on 03/22/2008 6:37:05 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SandRat
“Sounds like trouble ahead for Corzine and he may end up being the one cut from the team.”

I no longer live in NJ, thank God, but follow it fairly closely from afar. Corzine is an abject and utter failure in NJ and will never get re-elected. This is why he has his nose up Hillary's ass, hoping to land an administration job so he can gracefully leave NJ for some obscure, nothing job in Washington.

He's a first class clown.

24 posted on 03/22/2008 6:49:14 PM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Clintonfatigued

I don’t happen to think it does have merit. Substitute merging small towns to merging small states and it doesn’t sound so good anymore, does it? Yet it would be so much more efficient to have say 4 Governors presiding over regions instead of 50 of them, wouldn’t it? e.g. Gov. of New England, Gov. of CalAzOreIdaho...


25 posted on 03/22/2008 6:50:02 PM PDT by ShoreMark
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To: Timeout

Having dealt with the Buford T. Justice hick mentality on a legal level of some of the smaller municipalities, I think this is a good concept across the USA.

Especially true in cities which have reputations for speed traps as a primary source of income.


26 posted on 03/22/2008 7:26:04 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sooth2222; paratrooper82; alice_in_bubbaland; VeritatisSplendor; Windcatcher; proudmilitarymrs
"Salem county should try hooking up with Delaware. The Delaware Memorial connects up there so there is road access."

Just Salem? Don't forget the Cape May ferry! Monmouth County and shore points south should secede and merge with Delaware.

The nine southern counties (Monmouth to Salem and Cape May) have just over three million people and four thousand square miles -- that's twice the land area of Delaware and four times the population. The capital could be in a small central town such as Hammonton or Browns Mills (like Vermont's small capital town of Montpelier) -- one of those small towns which Corzine doesn't like.

27 posted on 03/22/2008 7:42:02 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Timeout

LOL! Don’t be “the last white farmer in Zimbabwe”.
If you are a productive, tax-paying Republican, get out of New Jersey.
Run, don’t walk.


28 posted on 03/22/2008 7:48:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: AlphaOneAlpha
Corzine is an abject and utter failure in NJ and will never get re-elected.

What does it say about the people in New Jersey that they elected that scumbag in the first place?
Yeah, he'll be re-elected. Probably by a landslide.

29 posted on 03/22/2008 7:51:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Solitar
The capital could be in a small central town such as Hammonton...We're already "The Blueberry Capital of the World" and "The Hub of South Jersey" - we'd have to put up new. bigger signs if we became "The Capital", and where would we get the funds for that?........
30 posted on 03/22/2008 9:14:05 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Timeout

Can collectivization of farms be far behind on Corzine’s to-do list? I understand that it worked wonders for the Soviet Union...


31 posted on 03/22/2008 9:40:55 PM PDT by Zeppo (Every mighty mild... seventies child... Beats me (Metric - Combat Baby))
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To: Publius

I grew up in one too and Corzine is WRONG.


32 posted on 03/22/2008 10:18:16 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: princess leah

NOT ALL New Jersey voted this guy in.


33 posted on 03/22/2008 10:19:22 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
We're already "The Blueberry Capital of the World" and "The Hub of South Jersey" - we'd have to put up new. bigger signs if we became "The Capital", and where would we get the funds for that?........

You would no longer be paying taxes to Trenton. Your state taxes, whatever level you want them to be, would by yours!

Oh yes, you could also have fewer gun laws if you wanted to.

34 posted on 03/22/2008 10:47:11 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: cubreporter
NOT ALL New Jersey voted this guy in.

You're right. And not all of New Jersey will vote for Obama or Clinton.

Only the five northwest counties of Morris, Hunterdon, Somerset, Warren, Sussex (and they should include West Passaic too) could be a reliably Republican state -- of about 1.3 million people in a state the size of Delaware.

South Delaware would also be a Republican. Delaware only goes Democrat because of North Delaware (Wilmington and New Castle county north of the canal).

Such new states would create some Republican strongholds to offset the Democrats at least in the US Senate.

35 posted on 03/22/2008 11:06:31 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Timeout

When I first read this I thought it was probably a good idea but after reading some posts here it seems these small towns have a lot of merit.


36 posted on 03/22/2008 11:44:43 PM PDT by Impy ("Our rivers are full of fish..." B. H. Obama)
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