Skip to comments.HALPERIN’S TAKE: Painful Things Hillary Clinton Knows — Or Should Know
Posted on 03/23/2008 1:58:44 AM PDT by cdchik123
1. She cant win the nomination without overturning the will of the elected delegates, which will alienate many Democrats.
2. She cant win the nomination without a bloody convention battle after which, even if she won, history and many Democrats would cast her as a villain.
3. Catching up in the popular vote is not out of the question but without re-votes in Florida and Michigan it will be almost as impossible as catching up in elected delegates.
4. Nancy Pelosi and other leading members of Congress dont think she can win and want her to give up. Same with superdelegate-to-the-stars Donna Brazile.
5. Obamas skilled, close-knit staff can do things like silently kill re-votes in Florida and Michigan and not pay a political price.
6. Many of her supporters and even some of her staffers would be relieved (and even delighted) if she quit the race; none of his supporters or staff feel that way. Some think she just might throw in the towel in June if it appears efforts to fight on would hurt Obamas general election chances.
7. The Rev. Wright story notwithstanding, the media still wants Obama to be the nominee and that has an impact every day.
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Hillary’s price will be high if they force her out. What will it be? Senate Majority leader? UN President? United world president? King of The state of Rhode Island ?
She sure got skunked out of that one, didn't she?
one way ticket back to arkansas after she loses her senate seat?
most of the dem elites dont like her and only pretended to when they thought she had power/fbi files/etc
Hey Mark... does that still add up to 15 points in the polls? And who did 'the media' want the Republican nominee to be?
Don't bother replying... we know... NOBODY.
Are they serious? She just pulled of the exposure of the greatest "Black Racist Hate Scandal" in contemporary times. She's tainted black racist churches and shown them for what they are: madrassas-like propaganda machines nurturing racial divide and hatred amongst any black who attend, down to Obama's 6 and 8 YO daughters.
Hurt his chances? I only wish a real republican was running for President. All they'd need do is pop their head up some time in late October and say "Hey! There's me!" and he have a cake walk to the Oval Office. I only wish Thompson or Hunter announced October 2008 rather than last summer.
Heck, McCain only had some 3 million in the bank on the last entry I saw:
Total Receipts: $64,654,539
Total Spent : $56,657,944
Cash on Hand : $7,996,595
Debts : $4,340,981
Date of last report: February 29, 2008
Rush Limbaugh may revel in "Operation Chaos", however "Operation RINO" has killed the republican party.
I'm still returning those RNC envelopes with "NO MCCAIN", "I'M A CONSERVATIVE, NOT A REPUBLICAN" or worse written in big black letters.
You know, why do I get this feeling that McCain is going to pick a "nob nibbler" like Charlie Crist or someone else completely unacceptable? He's done everything else he can to prove he's a rat.
“And who did ‘the media’ want the Republican nominee to be?”
Isn’t it obvious?
The media has set this country up by choosing the candidates THEY wanted, on both sides. They wanted Obama vs. McCain so they can have the fresh, young biracial newcomer vs. old, white and angry McCain
that will be the storyline in the general election.
If you think the shilling for Obama was bad in the media during the primaries, wait till the GE. If they trashed Hillary what will they do to a Republican?
the question is, will the American people fall for it?
Even if all the above is true, which I am not going to contest because I really don’t care, what makes anyone think Hillary gives a rodent’s rectum?
This is her turn, dammit! In fact, she knows full well it’s her only chance. She has to fight on.
If she gives in, four years from now Obama will either be running for reelection or he will be the presumptive challenger to McCain’s second term.
Hillary will be nowhere to be found.
Obama won't be the 'RAT nominee in 2012 if McCain beats him in 2008. The delicious thing about this cycle is the possibility of permanently destroying the political viability of two long term 'RAT candidates. Quite frankly if Obama gets the nomination but loses strongly in the general election in November, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans in Illinois try to knock him off when his seat comes up again in 2010. His huge 2004 election margin was a fluke caused by the inadequate vetting of the Republican nominee who later had to withdraw.
Would this be the same people who are consumed nightly by American Idol or Survivor et'al? Of COURSE the sheeple will fall for it.....land of the free,home of the MORON!!!!
“most of the dem elites dont like her and only pretended to when they thought she had power/fbi files/etc”
Yes, but they will deal with the devil if they can avoid a convention fight. A convention fight is the quickest way for them to lose everything.
8. Huma’s toenails are very sharp, and can scratch your stomach when she rolls over at night.
Was halperin the MSM’er who spoke about the 15 points the media provides? I keep rememebering another name that escapes me this morning.
A Supream Court Justice.
Hillary will stay in until the convention and hope (or plot) that something extremely dreadful, even illegal surfaces about Obama. Something that would give all his supporters cover to “disown” him.
If it doesn’t happen, she will withdraw - but it will be at the convention, not before. IMO.
Hillary’s Plan B: assure BO’s defeat in November and run against McCain in 2012.
Hillarys price will be high if they force her out.
I would rather think Bill’s price will be high if they force her out. He wants to re-write his legacy so bad he will do anything including the politics of political party destruction to get back into the white house.
That was Evan Thomas... but Halperin's saying the same sht.
Funny how after the loss of Iowa... the DBM immediately called for Romney to bow out.
Re: The Democrats deciding not to revote - yes, Hillary got skunked, but so did the Florida and Michigan democratic voters.
Either way, both candidates lose on this one. What sort of party would do this to two of the larger state delgations to the convention? What were they thinking of?
The Stalinist hillary is diabocal and lusts for power. She will not take one for the party and fall on her sword. She doesn’t care about the party. We’ll see blood on the streets during and after the convention.
My prediction is that she’ll be the most hated woman in American history by Sept. 1, 2008, and things will go downhill from there. And should the leftist media back her and attack Mr. McCain’s military record, the blowback will reach huuricane force and demolish the old Marxist media.
People are not happy right now.
I wish we had a better candidate.
The Clintons are not done with their attempts to unmask the "msm's chosen one". This for them is political survival. There is no 2012 if they are defeated in 2008. The reverend Wright incident was a body punch. The knockout punch has yet to be delivered and it is coming....
I don’t know where the “experts” get their calcuations from regarding the popular vote. Example, if 2 million Dems vote in PA and Hillary wins 2-1, she has there alone made up the 700,000 vote deficit against Mr. Wright’s parishioner.
I've said it before...and I'll say it again. It would NOT surprise me in the least...if McCain picked Hillary as his V.P.
I thought Halperin was one of those drugs that had been recalled!:)
I remember seeing the films of our POW’s who gave in to the Hanoi Commies way back when that war was still on. And McCain was one of them. ABC, CBS and NBC have copies of his films and his radio broadcasts. Even though McCain has managed to get a law passed to censure them there is no doubt that they will make their way to the internet next October.
Substitute Huma for Bubba.
She isn't going to quit. She will use every twist and turn to get the nomination, even if it destroys the DemocRAT party for the next hundred years.
The Dems are going to witness a Riefenstahl "Triumph of the Will" moment at their convention.
GREAT picture that tells the whole psychology of those two.
A party that thought it was just a formality that they had to wait until the Convention to crown the bit@h.
“I got him stuffed out doin’ Pork lines from the coffee table now.....when he falls asleep I’m gonna give him a colostomy with this beer bottle....that’ll fix his philanderin’ a$$......”
She'll hang her hat on creating poll numbers that show that if these two were included, she would be ahead. (actually better for her to have them hanging, than have actual new primaries). She will then run on a platform of disenfranchisement, and claim she is the real leader when are the votes are actually counted.
Hillary won’t win 2 to 1. She has only topped 60% once [Arkansas].
“Hillarys Plan B: assure BOs defeat in November and run against McCain in 2012.”
I think she would almost certainly try to ensure Obama’s defeat but her chances of being nominated in 2012 are vanishingly small.
“People are not happy right now.”
They dang shore ain’t! Down at the sawmill they are spittin’ on the ground and lookin’ for Loisville Slugger size pieces of hardwood and mutterin’ somethin’ about Buford.
And it could get much scarier: imagine if Senator Clinton's campaign office starts to dig up dirt on one Oprah Winfrey, which could SERIOUSLY undermine the Obama campaign in very short order. That could get extremely ugly and the prospect of a fracas between the powerful US Northeastern Democrats (which support Clinton) and just as powerful Midwest Democrats (which support Obama) that sunders the Democratic Party is not so ridiculously far-fetched.
There will be NO McInsane second term. That's why the VP pick is so important.
None of the rationales offered for her continued run make sense—even political sense.
There’s gotto be a fox in the henhouse that no one yet knows about.
It can’t be as simple as the inability to give up on wanting power.
>> I’m still returning those RNC envelopes
Us, too. We stuff all the crap they send us along with a “gringo peso” or two and return to sender — in their own prepaid envelope.
It’s pretty funny — Mrs. Tick has told them in nice letters that we’re disappointed with the RNC’s performance and wish to be taken off their mailing list — which only brings a further flood of junk mail!
We gave generously to the RNC from 2002 to 2004. Since the entire republican party has shifted towards representing a different base, they need to send their funding requests to that new base (democrats, liberals, and “moderates”).
I think if I was in a Viet Cong prison camp with no way of escape and they broke both my arms and fed me crap (when they decided to feed me) I might, just might do whatever they told me to do. I have to cut McCain some slack on this one. Now the things he did in the senate I am really angry about.
“There are not enough blacks in the South to overcome the unwillingness of some conservative Democrats to (1) vote for a black man and (2) vote for someone who listened to such a racist, hate-filled minister for 20 years.”
Al Gore got 90% of the black vote and that made him president. Right?
Democrats cannot win elections at any level without a solidified black vote. If republicans could just split the black vote that would be the end of the democratic party.
Hillary is up 26 points over Obama in PA this morning; if you translate that into percentages, its 63-37, which is awfully close to 2-1. If this holds, and 2 million Penns vote, she beats Obama by 520,000 votes, leaving only 180,000 to be made up in the remaining primary states (Kentucky, Indiana and a few others where she is favored to win) and she could take the Dem popular vote.
You left out NC where Obama is ahead. The Clintons have set up the phony standard of the popular vote, but that is not the way pledged delegates are chosen. Obama won Texas in terms of delegates, yet the MSM and the Clintons portray it as a victory for Hillary.
“You know, why do I get this feeling that McCain is going to pick a “nob nibbler” like Charlie Crist or someone else completely unacceptable? He’s done everything else he can to prove he’s a rat.”
I know where you are coming from. I get that same feeling. I am hoping he picks Haley Barbour.
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