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Muslim Converted By Pope Says Life In More Danger
Reuters ^ | March 23, 2008 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 03/23/2008 11:25:41 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Muslim Converted By Pope Says Life In More Danger

March 23, 2008

By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - An outspoken Muslim author and critic of Islamic fundamentalism who converted to Christianity at the hands of Pope Benedict said on Sunday he realized he was in greater danger but he has no regrets. ADVERTISEMENT

"I realize what I am going up against but I will confront my fate with my head high, with my back straight and the interior strength of one who is certain about his faith," said Magdi Allam.

In a surprise move on Saturday night, the pope baptized the 55-year-old, Egyptian-born Allam at an Easter eve service in St Peter's Basilica that was broadcast around the world.

The conversion of Allam to Christianity -- he took the name "Christian" for his baptism -- was kept secret until the Vatican disclosed it in a statement less than an hour before it began.

Writing in Sunday's edition of the leading Corriere della Sera, the newspaper of which he is a deputy director, Allam said: "... the root of evil is innate in an Islam that is physiologically violent and historically conflictual."

Allam, who is a strong supporter of Israel and who an Israeli newspaper once called a "Muslim Zionist," has lived under police protection following threats against him, particularly after he criticized Iran's position on Israel.

His conversion, which he called "the happiest day of my life," came just two days after al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden accused the pope of being part of a "new crusade" against Islam.

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1 posted on 03/23/2008 11:25:42 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’ll take “Stating the obvious” for $500, please Alex.


2 posted on 03/23/2008 11:28:25 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

Well Done to the Pope for sticking it to the Muslim hordes...


3 posted on 03/23/2008 11:31:22 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Well, he and the Church have done everything possible to publicize this, thereby adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics of the Islamofscists. And for what point?
4 posted on 03/23/2008 11:31:22 AM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If Muslims had any degree of introspection at all...wouldn’t you think they would wonder about a “religion” that ordered the murder of people who no longer believed?

What’s the point of forcing people to worship God in a particular. Does God demand slaves?

What’s wrong with these people?


5 posted on 03/23/2008 11:32:35 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Religion of Pieces bump!

6 posted on 03/23/2008 11:34:02 AM PDT by PROCON (Christ, He is Risen!)
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To: kjo
If Muslims had any degree of introspection at all...wouldn’t you think they would wonder about a “religion” that ordered the murder of people who no longer believed?

What’s the point of forcing people to worship God in a particular. Does God demand slaves?

What’s wrong with these people?

Muslims have about as much introspection as J. Wright during an anti-American hate-rant.

Their vision of god is a vicious killer who's whole purpose in the universe is to "take out" anyone who is not an abject slave. Hence: Submission.

What's wrong with these people? That's easy. Their brains are infected with the lethal metavirus called Islam.

In their sick view, killing critics is just a way of serving god. Very, very sick.

7 posted on 03/23/2008 11:37:24 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Got my rosary work cut out for me...

Welcome Home Brother Allam.


8 posted on 03/23/2008 11:37:36 AM PDT by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: Wil H

What a great Pope! What a great God we have! Amazing times.


9 posted on 03/23/2008 11:37:54 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: kjo

They’re prisoners of a death cult.


10 posted on 03/23/2008 11:38:29 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth to a Liberal, is like a crucifix to a vampire))))
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To: TCats

Perhaps they are just boldly stepping out in courage and in faith, speaking the Truth. If EVERYONE worries about adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics, what a bunch of mealy-mouths we would all be.

But instead, the foremost Christian leader in the world courageously stands by a man who wishes to convert. The world will watch — will the Religion of Peace Folks assassinate him for daring to believe? The world will see that. Will the RoP folks leave him free to worship as he pleases? The world will see that, too. Will the Muzzies around the world riot in fury? We will also see that.

I pray for this Pope every day. He is such a great leader.


11 posted on 03/23/2008 11:41:19 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: TCats
Well, he and the Church have done everything possible to publicize this, thereby adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics of the Islamofscists. And for what point?

So what if they did. We have a God-given, inalienable right to believe anything we want to believe. It would be anyone who would want to do harm to either of these two who are in the wrong.

12 posted on 03/23/2008 11:42:03 AM PDT by pnh102
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To: TCats
Well, he and the Church have done everything possible to publicize this, thereby adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics of the Islamofscists. And for what point?

Be as innocent as doves, and sly as serpents...

13 posted on 03/23/2008 11:42:10 AM PDT by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I heard someone complaining in KOA that "why was the Pope baptizing this guy, what's he trying to say, something political?"

But he's doing what he should be doing, emphasizing the gospel is for all, and the doors are open for muslims.

14 posted on 03/23/2008 11:42:30 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: TCats
And for what point?

That Christians aren't scared of muhammedans, I'm sure.

15 posted on 03/23/2008 11:42:36 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Wil H

>>Well Done to the Pope for sticking it to the Muslim hordes...<<

Its only sticking it to them to the extent that they reject free choice.

If they act the way they expect us to act there is no issue.


16 posted on 03/23/2008 11:44:06 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: TCats

The Church has done NOTHING to publicize this. The publicity came from CNN, actually. In Church notices, he was simply identified as an Italian intellectual who is an editor of Corriera della Sera.

Obviously, the Muslims were going to find out. And the problem with that is - what? Don’t you think we should be working to convert the Muslims? This might make some of them think.


17 posted on 03/23/2008 11:44:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: TCats

The point is that we should not give a damn about what those insane f**ks think. Why should we hide when Muslims convert to Christianity they certainly don’t hide their goal to convert all of us by choice or sword. A friend of mine converted to Islam. So what? I’m tired of playing the game of walking on pins and needles trying not to offend the chronically offended. May God show them the way to Heaven or else may they find themselves in hell. As for this present world they will have to grow up and learn to live with the fact that others will NOT submit to their will.


18 posted on 03/23/2008 11:44:10 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Heroism is something that when it is manifest it is undeniable. The same can be said for cowardice.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I can't help thinking of the bold martyrs for the faith in the earliest centuries of Christianity, many of whom were catechumens or recent converts, like Perpetua and Felicity and their companions, or the Baptismal group slain with Bishop Boniface.

Sangria Martyria sperma Ecclesia!

19 posted on 03/23/2008 11:45:06 AM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: pnh102
Yes and draw cartoons even. Islamists really get all upset about cartoons.


20 posted on 03/23/2008 11:46:27 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Heroism is something that when it is manifest it is undeniable. The same can be said for cowardice.)
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To: TCats

So, are you suggesting it should all be “hush/hush” lest we make these muslims mad? I, for one, am not willing to surrender to these murder-crazed moon god worshippers in that way. I respect and honor the courage of both the Pope and the new convert. And I hope (no doubt, in vain) that the West will finally wake up and realize that islam itself must be destroyed and stop dancing around with this “it’s just the extremists” nonsense.


21 posted on 03/23/2008 11:46:36 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: TCats
And for what point?

To make fundamentally different world views obvious and undeniable?

22 posted on 03/23/2008 11:47:40 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Maelstorm
Why should we hide when Muslims convert to Christianity they certainly don’t hide their goal to convert all of us by choice or sword.

Spot on!

23 posted on 03/23/2008 11:55:00 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: Emmett McCarthy
No ‘Hush Hush’ and no megaphones. This is not an athletic contest or some stupid reality TV show and conversions TO Islam are no more important than conversions to Christianity IMO.
24 posted on 03/23/2008 11:55:04 AM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: Rome2000

Agreed. Throughout history, the confrontation between mohammedans and Christians (historically, Catholic and Orthodox), where Christians stood firm in their beliefs and fought, violently, to route the mohammedans, we’ve mostly succeeded. The only thing they understand is brute force, and we better be ready to use it, either on the battlefields of the Middle East or in the streets of the West. There is no other way, in the end. It has been shown over and over again during the past 1,400 years. If we believe in Christ, and fight to keep a Christian West in place, we will win. If we believe in anything but Christ, then I’m no longer convinced. We can not show fear to these barbaric thugs at any level, regardless of what our political and elite classes profess (notice I said political, not religious, however the Head of the Anglican Church performed a tremendous blunder recently). People need to more fully understand the history of this relationship and it sure as hell ain’t being taught in the public schools in the West. Make sure your children understand what Islam was, is and always be; a totalitarian system of combined religious and political tyranny with no tolerance for others, except slavery or death. Nothing has changed.


25 posted on 03/23/2008 11:55:34 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: TCats
"Well, he and the Church have done everything possible to publicize this, thereby adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics of the Islamofscists. And for what point?"

How odd an observation, the article I read said the conversion was kept quiet right up until one hour before the public ceremony.

As for me, I believe in freedom of speech anyway, and that includes any Church which desires to announce a conversion. The good that will come from announcing this muslim's conversion to Christianity on Easter Sunday is rather obvious to most Christians, namely, that even those poor souls who have been utterly corrupted by the bloody dictates of Islam have hope for salvation through Christ.

26 posted on 03/23/2008 12:06:26 PM PDT by houstonman58 ("When the Son of Man returns, will there be any faith left on earth, think ye"?)
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To: TCats
"No ‘Hush Hush’ and no megaphones. This is not an athletic contest or some stupid reality TV show and conversions TO Islam are no more important than conversions to Christianity IMO."

I guess the Pope forgot to discuss the issue with you before the ceremony. Next time I'm sure he'll give you call and ask for your opinion first, / sarcasm.

27 posted on 03/23/2008 12:09:50 PM PDT by houstonman58 ("When the Son of Man returns, will there be any faith left on earth, think ye"?)
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To: Maelstorm
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and there it is...

28 posted on 03/23/2008 12:11:25 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: houstonman58
And before any posts are made I'll be sure to consult with you in your role as supreme jerk. Don't agree, fine but please don't be juvenile. Unbeleivable.
29 posted on 03/23/2008 12:14:30 PM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: TCats

Well, this man is a prominent journalist in Italy. Part of our Catholic tradition is to welcome adult converts during Easter (or Palm Sunday) Masses. This one just also happened to involve the Pope. It’s the islamic world that has problems with it and their problems shouldn’t change our traditions. This decision was made to do it in the usual way in spite of the risk of reprisal.

Speaking only for myself, I want islam mocked, defied and crushed out of existence.


30 posted on 03/23/2008 12:18:45 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: john drake; Rome2000
You two are the only ones on this thread to get the name of this cult and the followers of this cult RIGHT!
31 posted on 03/23/2008 12:22:42 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: bboop

I hope the current Pope will be to Islam what the previous Pope was to communism.


32 posted on 03/23/2008 12:33:41 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: TCats

So, maybe if you’re really, really nice to them, they’ll agree to kill you last.


33 posted on 03/23/2008 12:38:18 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Muslims riot in streets; FATWA issued! Film at 11.


34 posted on 03/23/2008 12:45:18 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: TCats

Someone’s got to prove that Dhimmitude doesn’t work everywhere. How appropriate, how beautiful that it gets nowhere in the Vatican. Very proud today of both parties.


35 posted on 03/23/2008 1:02:10 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: john drake

One side of me agrees absolutely, but the other side says the enemy can be beaten without (specific) violence. The USSR fell without a shot. Brains, courage, prayer—and probably not in that order.


36 posted on 03/23/2008 1:06:40 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Yes, he seems to be willing to meet Islam head-on. Might be the only world leader I see doing that. Underneath his quiet, academic exterior is a courageous Church-Militant soldier.

Battle of Lepanto was fought by the Pope and some few who understood that Islam was on the move into Europe. Many leaders were caught up in local skirmishes, many more were afraid of a direct confrontation, but a few realized exactly what was going on and faced it head-on.

Perhaps this is human nature.


37 posted on 03/23/2008 1:12:00 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: TCats
Well, he and the Church have done everything possible to publicize this, thereby adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics of the Islamofscists. And for what

An act on the long path to knock the extreme muslims and thier silent supporters out of the 7th Century. The religion is in need of reformation, away from murdering.

38 posted on 03/23/2008 1:17:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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This is not an athletic contest ... conversions TO Islam are no more important than conversions to Christianity IMO.

Ah, TCats ... the past 100 generations of people mindful of the Judeo-Christian ethic is what has created this place where it is no longer an "athletic contest."

Realty TV aside, a state of war as in physical "athletic" war is a state of much of the globe's population, and as it happens, those are areas that have not found or followed the Judeo-Christian ethic that is the founding of Western civilization. It's taken for granted by ... a whole lotta people, probably because the Judeo-Christian ethic doesn't kill you or tax you or punish you if you don't profess yourself a submissive Christian. You don't have to believe, you just have to adopt the ethic. Do unto others, etc. The teachings of Christ, the very wise Old Testament. It works. People do pretty well, living in freedom and carrying on with free will, creating prosperity and advancement. It's a pretty good model for human behavior, and it guided the men who wrote the Constitution.

This is a Judeo-Christian nation. It respects human dignity and free will and rejects slavery and marrying 9-year-old-girls and such. I'd say converts were pretty important. And I remember at all times that what sets us apart is that we're Judeo-Christian because it works. Islam would have us submit. There is a war, it is religious, and we should all be ready to grab our religious warrior gear.

39 posted on 03/23/2008 1:28:40 PM PDT by Finny (Democrats are Gov't Mommies. Liberal Republicans are Big Gov't Daddies. Conservatives are adults.)
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I'm ready, willing and able to grab my gear (Mostly of the non-religious nature) to join the fight against any who would impose religious, social or economic tyranny on me, my family or my country - Or any unlawful, unethical or immoral living situation for that matter, irrespective of religion as the underlying impetus.

My single post on this thread doesn't indicate otherwise does it? If so, it is a gross misunderstanding.

40 posted on 03/23/2008 1:39:18 PM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: Finny

Well said and thorough. Thank you.


41 posted on 03/23/2008 1:39:49 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: TCats
Understood and respected. I'm just saying that that gear is going to stand for a religious cause, and it should be understood. Too many people today seem to think we were just born with a kind of noble goodness and Judeo-Christianity is an extreme manifestation. I'm saying that the noble goodness is a manifestation of declared, identified, and otherwise adhered-to Judeo-Christian convictions, and hence that is where the gear comes from. Metaphorically, of course! But converts mean a lot. Converts are important.
42 posted on 03/23/2008 2:07:38 PM PDT by Finny (Democrats are Gov't Mommies. Liberal Republicans are Big Gov't Daddies. Conservatives are adults.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Got to Love B16.
43 posted on 03/23/2008 2:10:30 PM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: TCats
Well, he and the Church have done everything possible to publicize this, thereby adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics of the Islamofscists. And for what point?

I thought his point very clear. This man wished to convert. The Holy Father let it be known that he is willing to risk all to allow that.

Remember the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Bin Laden has made it clear where he stands. B16 just let the terrorist know where he stands.

Vivi PaPa

44 posted on 03/23/2008 2:14:20 PM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: mware

The Church did nothing to publicize it. The announcement came from the press.


45 posted on 03/23/2008 2:18:27 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

CNN will probably celebrate if the Muslims kill this convert.


46 posted on 03/23/2008 2:22:01 PM PDT by twntaipan (NOBAMA!)
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To: TCats
Well, he and the Church have done everything possible to publicize this, thereby adding fuel to the paranoid hysterics of the Islamofscists. And for what point?

Why should the pope be concerned about offending the koran animals,They certainly don't care about offending the rest of the civilized world with their behavior

47 posted on 03/23/2008 2:24:13 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: TCats

Wrong - ONLY converting from Islam to Christianity can get you killed.


48 posted on 03/23/2008 3:19:27 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Pope Benedict should make this a weekly event.

And let the converts have their say.


49 posted on 03/23/2008 3:35:02 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: twntaipan

CNN doesn’t like Christians, particularly Catholics, anyway, and they’re probably almost as upset about the fact that he is a converted journalist as the fact that he is a converted former Muslim!


50 posted on 03/23/2008 6:31:06 PM PDT by livius
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