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GOP -- DOA?
Renew America ^ | March 21, 2008 | Unidentified

Posted on 03/23/2008 3:36:00 PM PDT by TBP

Primary turnout and recent surveys show conservative "values" voters have abandoned the Republican Party.

Illustrating a dramatic about face from past elections, a recent study shows that if the election were held today, 40% of all evangelical Christian voters would choose the Democratic candidate and just 29% would choose the Republican candidate. The remaining 28% are undecided, saying they would make their selection without respect to party affiliation.

A Barna Group release titled: Born Again Voters No Longer Favor Republican Candidates cites figures that spell doom for the Republican Party, given that "in the past couple of elections, the born again vote represented about half of the total number of votes cast in the U.S. (and)... given the close tally in 2004, the born again vote (is) vital."

"The political pendulum hasn't swung this far since the Whig Party became extinct back before the Civil War," noted Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer. "Just as the Republican Party, then a third party, wound up deposing the Whigs, we're seeing the demise of the Republican party because voters have decided it's lost its relevance. That explains the steady and solid growth of the Constitution Party," Clymer added.

The Constitution Party, on course to have ballot access in all 50 states this November, is the largest and fastest-growing third party based on voter registrations (Ballot Access News).

"Conservative voters have made it clear they want no part of the Grand Old Party. Statistics show many are saying they will no longer buy into 'party loyalty' when their party has been anything but loyal to them. With candidates like Senators McCain, Obama and Clinton in the mix, voters will correctly assume they have nothing to lose by voting their conscience in November — even if that means a vote for a smaller party candidate," Clymer predicted.

George Barna, head of the recent voter preference survey said, "The evangelical vote is up for grabs. In recent elections, the faith vote sided with the Republican candidate.... This year... however, the faith vote cannot be taken for granted. Republican candidates have a tough road ahead of them."

"To succeed in his bid for the White House, McCain must consolidate his support among conservatives, which will not happen just because he is the Republican nominee. In the wake of... Republican scandals... and... failure to advance... the social conservative agenda,... support for the GOP has diminished," wrote Tony Perkins of the Christian political advocacy group the Family Research Council. Likewise, GOPUSA notes: "The problem the GOP faces is with turnout. Plain and simple, more (than double the number of) Democrats are voting in the primaries than Republicans."

The Constitution Party will choose a presidential candidate at its April 23-26th Nominating Convention in Kansas City, Mo.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; barna; conservatism; constitutionparty; doa; gop; mccain; republican; rino; thirdparty; valuesvoters
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The Establishment liberal RINOs like McCain and the people around him don't seem to realize that the Republican party is dead without teh support of principled conservatives and that increasing numbers of conservatves are walking away. They will learn that, to their regret, unless they take some dramatic action.

Even then, they'll probably learn the wrong lesson. The Republican Party has a virtually infinite capacity for learning the wrong lesson.

1 posted on 03/23/2008 3:36:00 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP
Absolutely nobody has the slightest idea what is going to happen in November, and the people who pretend they do are charlatans.
2 posted on 03/23/2008 3:38:57 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: TBP

I got a call from the party the other day asking for money. When I complained about conservatives being run out of the party they stated that they are hearing that a lot these days.


3 posted on 03/23/2008 3:39:23 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: TBP
Primary turnout and recent surveys show conservative "values" voters have abandoned the Republican Party.

The GOP abandoned me last summer when Bush and the Ted Kennedy wing of the Republican Party tried forcing amnesty down our throats.

4 posted on 03/23/2008 3:40:12 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: TBP

This fall could be a massive conservative wipe-out...with McCain winning the White House, anyway. Whatever his party affiliation, he’s in a unique position to become America’s Favorite Democrat. ;)


5 posted on 03/23/2008 3:41:23 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: TBP

That’s right - staying home or voting for someone other than Juan on Election Day won’t teach them any lesson they’ll remember ten years from now. We really need to fold up the big tent, to become more ideologically pure, or else the RINOs will always be around.


6 posted on 03/23/2008 3:41:42 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: TBP

Sounds normal to me. If the GOP doesn’t need conservatives, that makes a statement that they do not need our money.

I am sure there are many moderates and independents out there to fill the void for the people that the GOP no longer need.

Makes sense to me.


7 posted on 03/23/2008 3:43:32 PM PDT by dforest
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To: TBP
I pray that the Republican Party is not dead but Republicans in New York State are dropping like flies. George W. Bush stood there and spit everyones eyes for 8 years. Everyone begged him to close the border and to stop sending jobs overseas. He could care less what happened to the American Worker. He Killed the Republican Party.
8 posted on 03/23/2008 3:45:07 PM PDT by GinaLolaB (=^..^=)
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To: South40

“The GOP abandoned me last summer when Bush and the Ted Kennedy wing of the Republican Party tried forcing amnesty down our throats.”

Now they’re forcing Juan down our throats, NOT.


9 posted on 03/23/2008 3:45:28 PM PDT by FReepapalooza (Joshua 3:4 ..."for ye have not passed this way heretofore.")
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To: armymarinemom
I got a call from the party the other day asking for money......

Happened to me about two weeks ago, I am afraid I was not as polite as you were. Probably knocked the socks off the guy that called. Maybe they will start getting the hint.

10 posted on 03/23/2008 3:46:25 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: TBP

They said that after Watergate too.

Then the Democrats offered up Jimmy Bob Carter.


11 posted on 03/23/2008 3:48:27 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: TBP

totally at odds with all other polls - sounds like someone from the “If we say it, people will believe it “ strategy


12 posted on 03/23/2008 3:50:26 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
Then the Democrats offered up Jimmy Bob Carter.

And we are offering up John Sydney McCain. McCain is going to do to the Republicans what jimmy did to the democrats. If McCain gets elected it will be for 1 term then the dems will hold the WH for at least the next 12.
13 posted on 03/23/2008 3:52:52 PM PDT by John D
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To: armymarinemom

It’s really not just the money, either We conservatives have done the heavy fighting in the trenches. Without our passionate campaigning, the Republicans will be vastly weakened as a party.


14 posted on 03/23/2008 3:56:10 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: TBP

Another so called “Expert” chimes in!


15 posted on 03/23/2008 3:57:49 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: TBP

I agree. It’s really hard to get all fired up over a candidate that strives so diligently to work against so many of our country’s best interests. Maybe 2012....


16 posted on 03/23/2008 3:57:52 PM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: TBP
GOP -- DOA?

Not as dead as the Dems will be after their primary season is over.

September 1st, 2008
Dems -- are just dead.

17 posted on 03/23/2008 3:58:40 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: TBP

“40% of all Born-Agains would choose the Democratic Party.”

Bull.

Values voters are suddenly going to embrace two of the most staunch pro-choice candidates in the country?

They’re going to endorse a candidate who’s minister has helped out Hamas?

They’re going to vote for Hillary Clinton, who’s arguably the most dishonest politician in decades?

They’re going to endorse a party that believes man descended from plankton?

It’s funny how the Left spends every election year courting the evangelicals, and the other years they trash them.


18 posted on 03/23/2008 3:58:54 PM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: TBP

One reason that the GOP may be DOA is because they don’t have the nerve to stand up and fight for the people who voted them into office. It seems that democrat candidates promise that they will go to Washington and “fight for” their constituencies. Republicans seem to go to Washington to “surrender”. Now with Tom Delay, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and George Allen no longer around it looks the GOP will surrender more often.


19 posted on 03/23/2008 3:59:33 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: MizSterious

We must have a strong conservative third party candidate on the ballot come November, if we want conservatives to show up and vote for conservative down ballot candidates. McCain isn’t going to motivate anybody. Shoot, even among the ranks of his supporters, the best they can come up with is “I know he sucks, but...”

That won’t look too good on a bumper sticker.

If Alan Keyes chooses to go the CP route, he’ll be receiving my vote and the votes of my entire family.


20 posted on 03/23/2008 4:02:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("I am sure that Senator Clinton would make a good president." - John McCain)
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To: TBP
Primary turnout and recent surveys show conservative "values" voters have abandoned the Republican Party.

Correction: The Republican party abandoned us!

Johnny Airbus/Open Borders McClain wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, nor even LAST choice, for a candidate.

21 posted on 03/23/2008 4:02:56 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: TBP

“The Establishment liberal RINOs like McCain and the people around him don’t seem to realize that the Republican party is dead without teh support of principled conservatives and that increasing numbers of conservatves are walking away. ... The Republican Party has a virtually infinite capacity for learning the wrong lesson.”

This ‘virtually infinite capacity’ of the GOP is only surpassed by the virtually infinite capacity of ‘principled conservatives’ to delude themselves into believing that voting third party is the ‘right lesson’. One can only believe that ‘principled conservatives’ enjoy puting the socialist democrats in power.


22 posted on 03/23/2008 4:04:43 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: TBP
The Barna Group has a website where you can discover all sorts of confusing things about numerous topics.

I'm not confident in their ability to poll the public.

23 posted on 03/23/2008 4:05:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TBP
Hell, if I wrote this garage I would want to be ‘Unidentified’ also..... Just more BS... Not worth of the disk space required to hold said BS:-()
24 posted on 03/23/2008 4:06:40 PM PDT by geo40xyz ((McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?))
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To: GinaLolaB

” Everyone begged him to close the border and to stop sending jobs overseas. He could care less what happened to the American Worker”

What’s the unemployment rate? 4.8% Right, sounds terrible.


25 posted on 03/23/2008 4:12:16 PM PDT by Round 9
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To: GinaLolaB

” Everyone begged him to close the border and to stop sending jobs overseas. He could care less what happened to the American Worker”

What’s the unemployment rate? 4.8% Right, sounds terrible.


26 posted on 03/23/2008 4:12:20 PM PDT by Round 9
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To: TBP
The Establishment liberal RINOs like McCain and the people around him don't seem to realize that the Republican party is dead without teh support of principled conservatives...

Don't realize it yet?!! They engineered it!

The GOP is trying to make it without conservatives. No one in the RINO wing, despite the rhetoric of the MSM, is really trying to make amends to conservatives. McCain thinks he actually has a better shot at winning without being burdened by the conservative rabble. If McCain wins using this strategy, conservatives will have to regroup or remain irrelevant.

27 posted on 03/23/2008 4:16:03 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: TBP

The GOP is dead for 2 reasons.

One, they don’t care what Joe Conservative thinks anymore. They know what he thinks... they just don’t care. The reason they don’t care is because most Republicans in Washington DC are owned, lock, stock and barrel, by special interest groups, be they corporate of ethnic. Your opinion is totally worthless to them.

Second, the GOP has terrible leadership. This is a leadership that will not defend itself or its principles... EVER. Bush is exhibit A. TOTALLY WEAK AND INCOMPETENT.

At this point I am on the verge of saying “OK, America, you want Socialism? Here, we’ll give it to you. In fact, we’re going to cram it down your throats until you’re a penniless tick feeding off the government corpse.” Only then will we be able to right this ship because it will only be then that people will be willing to pick up their arms and take their country back.


28 posted on 03/23/2008 4:39:03 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: TBP
The Constitution Party will choose a presidential candidate at its April 23-26th Nominating Convention in Kansas City, Mo.

ROTFLMAO!!! Ralph Nader or Ron Paul would mop the floor with the Constitution Party presidential candidate. Get real you can vote for McCain or Hillary or Obama anything else is a waste of your time. So what is it going to be a Democrat Liberal swine or a RHINO who wants to keep the Bush tax cuts. appoint conservative Supreme Court Justices, and continue to prosecute the war on terrorism?

29 posted on 03/23/2008 4:53:30 PM PDT by hflynn ( Soros would not make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: EternalVigilance

“I know he sucks, but...”

Now that is a great bumper sticker ... it would also be a great lawn sign ... and a great sign for the convention ... hundreds of them bouncing up and down and being waved all over the floor!

30 posted on 03/23/2008 4:58:42 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If I knew, I’d put down a whole bunch of money on the outcome and get rich.

I’ll be willing to speculate though... we may be looking at another 1856.


31 posted on 03/23/2008 5:00:17 PM PDT by Content Provider
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To: Jaguarmike
Values voters are suddenly going to embrace two of the most staunch pro-choice candidates in the country?

Like Republicans Giuliani and Romney? And what of McCain who is for fetal stem cell research?

They’re going to endorse a candidate who’s minister has helped out Hamas?

So they should support Bush's heir? Bush who stands against Israel and for the Palestinian state?

They’re going to vote for Hillary Clinton, who’s arguably the most dishonest politician in decades?

Instead they are to support the traitorous bastard (and his party) that took away their first amendment right to have a voice in the election?

They’re going to endorse a party that believes man descended from plankton?

So they should continue to support the Republicans who have had the ability to put Creationism back in the schools for nearly thirty years, and didn't do it?

It’s funny how the Left spends every election year courting the evangelicals, and the other years they trash them.

Funny how the Republicans do exactly the same thing.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

32 posted on 03/23/2008 5:01:05 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Content Provider
I’ll be willing to speculate though... we may be looking at another 1856.

You were there?

33 posted on 03/23/2008 5:05:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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And what of McCain who is for fetal stem cell research?

Yeah, research is bad, it'll kill us all.

Bush who stands against Israel and for the Palestinian state

Yeah, he does that every day according to DU. Twice on Fridays.

So they should continue to support the Republicans who have had the ability to put Creationism back in the schools for nearly thirty years, and didn't do it?

Fantasy has no place in education.

Put away your light sabre, Luke.

34 posted on 03/23/2008 5:06:35 PM PDT by humblegunner ()
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To: DugwayDuke
One can only believe that ‘principled conservatives’ enjoy puting the socialist democrats in power.

This isn't rocket science, you know. If you want Conservative support, you get it with Conservative candidates. I fail to see why anyone is surprised at the Conservatives' reaction. It has been predictable for years. So your statement might better read:

One can only believe that ‘principled conservatives’ Republicans enjoy putting the socialist democrats in power.

35 posted on 03/23/2008 5:07:44 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just yesterday. But my time machine blew a flux capacitor.


36 posted on 03/23/2008 5:09:39 PM PDT by Content Provider
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To: roamer_1

1. Giuliani and Romney aren’t the GOP nominee.

2. Right. Bush stands against Israel. That’s why liberal Jews like Ed Koch voted for him. And Joe Lieberman - is he endorsing an Israel-hater too?

3. You don’t have a voice in the election? Is someone shutting down Free Republic? FWIW, I don’t agree with CFR either, but groups are finding ways around it, just as they did in 2004.

3a. John McCain fought for his county, and gave up five years of his freedom for it. He’s not a traitor.

4. Uh, the teaching of evolution is left up to the states and the judiciary. Perhaps those evangelist-voters think judges like Bader-Ginsberg will give them what they want. Hope they’re prepared to wait until hell freezes over.

5. The GOP trashes evangelicals? Who? The fringe kook ones, yes.


37 posted on 03/23/2008 5:13:21 PM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: indylindy
"I am sure there are many moderates and independents out there to fill the void for the people that the GOP no longer need."

Probably plenty of illegals waiting in line to donate to the GOP in place of conservatives. At least, the GOP had better hope there is.

38 posted on 03/23/2008 5:17:27 PM PDT by penowa
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To: John D
it will be for 1 term then the dems will hold the WH for at least the next 12.

That is what McAmnesty will do for us.

39 posted on 03/23/2008 5:17:41 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: TBP
The Establishment liberal RINOs like McCain and the people around him don't seem to realize that the Republican party is dead without teh support of principled conservatives and that increasing numbers of conservatves are walking away. They will learn that, to their regret, unless they take some dramatic action.

Keep in mind that the RINOs were quite content to be the minority party all those years. They had their safe districts and weren't bothered by their RAT overmasters nor by primary challenges. It was only when those nasty and impudent conservatives came along that things were changed for the worse. This is absolutely what they've wanted since noon on January 20, 1981 when Ronald Reagan took office.

40 posted on 03/23/2008 5:55:35 PM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: TBP

There is no election today. That will come in November. As it is in all elections, opinions are just that until the time to pull the lever.


41 posted on 03/23/2008 6:02:28 PM PDT by billhilly (I was republican when republican wasn't cool. (With an apology to Barbara Mandrell.))
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To: navyguy

It is looking more and more like we will have to reclaim our country, and our freedom, from the ashes. Nanny states don’t die easily, and the parasitic beings that rely on it will become increasingly violent and difficult to deal with as the government gravy train disappears.


42 posted on 03/23/2008 6:07:14 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (multiculturalism equals surrender)
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To: humblegunner
Yeah, research is bad, it'll kill us all. [...] Yeah, he does that every day according to DU. Twice on Fridays. [...] Fantasy has no place in education.

Thanks for making my point.

43 posted on 03/23/2008 6:10:12 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
This fall could be a massive conservative wipe-out.

That is a 100% guarantee, no matter who wins. It COULD be (and probably will be) a massive Republican wipe-out.

44 posted on 03/23/2008 6:17:04 PM PDT by jammer
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To: roamer_1

“If you want Conservative support, you get it with Conservative candidates.”

There were a number of “conservative candidates” running? How did that work out? It’s time conservatives realize that being conservative isn’t enough, you’ve got to articulate policies and positions in a manner that generates broad appeal or you won’t win. And blaming the RNC doesn’t cut it.


45 posted on 03/23/2008 6:32:08 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I know what’ll happen in November and I’m no charlatan.

I’ll be on the planet Earth, for one thing, and so will you.

:-P


46 posted on 03/23/2008 6:35:10 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: DugwayDuke

That’s why the conservative AREN’T voting for McCain. We don’t want to see a socialist democrat in power.

McClinbama - or in other words, what’s the difference?


47 posted on 03/23/2008 6:38:13 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: TBP
The Establishment liberal RINOs like McCain and the people around him don't seem to realize that the Republican party is dead without teh support of principled conservatives and that increasing numbers of conservatves are walking away. They will learn that, to their regret, unless they take some dramatic action.

Sorry but that has been proven a fallacy by the mere fact that McCain overwhelmingly crushed Conservatives running against him. He will align liberals to vote for him, and he won't need conservatives! Ipsofacto, we get screwed-o!

48 posted on 03/23/2008 6:46:26 PM PDT by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: TBP

Primary turnout and recent surveys show conservative “values” voters have abandoned the Republican Party.


THAT is a flat out lie. The Party abandoned the voters, not the other way around.


49 posted on 03/23/2008 7:21:17 PM PDT by Grunthor (Electing people with an `R next to their name is NOT more important than principle)
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To: hflynn

So what is it going to be a Democrat Liberal swine or a RHINO who wants to keep the Bush tax cuts. appoint conservative Supreme Court Justices, and continue to prosecute the war on terrorism?


mmm, tough choices. Do I drink the Drano or inject the Rat Poison?


50 posted on 03/23/2008 7:24:36 PM PDT by Grunthor (Electing people with an `R next to their name is NOT more important than principle)
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