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The Root Cause of Why Some Liberals Are Unresponsive to Logic and Debate
Canada Free Press ^ | 03/24/08 | Yomin Postelnik

Posted on 03/24/2008 4:17:31 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik

THE REAL REASON WHY RADICAL LIBERALS DO NOT RESPOND TO DEBATE

The reason why so many (though again, not all) liberals act this way is remarkably simple. In fact, for all those who’ve become so baffled by their seemingly inexplicable conduct, you may wonder how it has escaped you all these years (probably because it’s so easy to get so frustrated by their conduct that noticing the reason behind it becomes a matter not worth considering). The answer is bigotry. They’re prejudiced. Am I being ridiculous? Is liberalism the new bigotry? No, and yes!

THE BIASED MINDSET

THE THREE REASONS FOR RADICAL LIBERAL BIGOTRY

INALIENABLE BELIEF IN WHATEVER A LIBERAL SCIENTIST SAYS – DESPITE THE FACTS AND IN SPITE OF ALL RHYME AND REASON

HOW TO EFFECTIVELY ANSWER RADICAL LIBERALS

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; democratparty; left; liberalism; liberals; mediabias; radical; root

1 posted on 03/24/2008 4:17:32 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Liberalism is a Progressive mental disease.


2 posted on 03/24/2008 4:28:33 AM PDT by DGHoodini (A person educated without being taught morals, is a menace to society.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" and then walked away.

Liberals do the same thing.

3 posted on 03/24/2008 4:31:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Relativism is the liberal religion. They wouldn’t recognize truth if it bit them in the behind.


4 posted on 03/24/2008 4:53:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Excellent article, addresses questions I find quite interesting. I’ll read the whole thing later.

If I may offer some thoughts, regarding liberal motivation. I think they are motivated by that which has been the downfall of man since the very beginning—pride. Self-worship, narcissism. Every leftist issue has a narcissistic payoff.

The most stubborn of all sins.


5 posted on 03/24/2008 4:53:47 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (The only way for honorable people to be liberal is to have no idea what conservatism is.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

For liberals there is no God or God is within themselves which is operationally the same thing. And there is no Truth therefore there is no truth. Without truth logic is meaningless. With that mindset liberals cannot debate or argue in the proper meanings of those words. They “argue” by repeating slogans and referring to the social origins of the opponent. With no Truth, social relationships and emotion are the only operative methods of debate because facts are no more than mental constructs and represent simply a narrow and biased or bigoted view of a subject.


6 posted on 03/24/2008 4:55:09 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Yomin Postelnik

BTTT

See my tagline.


7 posted on 03/24/2008 5:02:18 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: arthurus

Liberals and Psychology: Cognitive Dissonance Explains Liberal Anger

Cognitive dissonance is a psychological term describing the uncomfortable tension that may result from having two conflicting thoughts at the same time, or from engaging in behavior that conflicts with one’s beliefs, or from experiencing apparently conflicting phenomena.

In simple terms, it can be the filtering of information that conflicts with what you already believe, in an effort to ignore that information and reinforce your beliefs. In detailed terms, it is the perception of incompatibility between two cognitions, where “cognition” is defined as any element of knowledge, including attitude, emotion, belief, or behavior. The theory of cognitive dissonance states that contradicting cognitions serve as a driving force that compels the mind to acquire or invent new thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to reduce the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions. Experiments have attempted to quantify this hypothetical drive. Some of these have examined how beliefs often change to match behavior when beliefs and behavior are in conflict.


8 posted on 03/24/2008 5:03:45 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

ping for later


9 posted on 03/24/2008 5:06:22 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I'll cite and paraphrase Ann Coulter:

If they had any brains they wouldn't be liberals!

10 posted on 03/24/2008 5:10:19 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: arthurus
One of the main reasons that you can't debate a liberal in a logical manner is they confuse opinions with facts.

It is a fact that the war with Iraq was started when sadman invaded Kuwait in 1991.

The US and pals defeated Iraq and a truce was agreed to based on certain conditions that the sadman accepted.

He failed to comply and GWB responded with act two of the Iraq war.

A liberal will not agree to these facts, so any discussion of the war in Iraq will end in nothing but an irrational screaming match.

11 posted on 03/24/2008 5:13:53 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: reasonisfaith
Back when Alan Keyes was somewhat rational and had his own radio show, it was interesting to listen how he handled callers. He would ask them questions which required only a yes or no answer - logical questions which only required the caller to answer truthfully. Eventually he would get to a point where if the caller answered logically, the entire belief system of the caller would be invalidated. About 99 percent of the time, when it got to that point, the caller would hesitate, realizing the trap set for them. They would never answer the final question.

I have also recognized over the years the two points where you have won the argument over the liberal. One - they start to call you names or two - the change the topic of discussion.

12 posted on 03/24/2008 5:14:59 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

The liberal mindset is not totally impenetrable. When confronted with irrefutable logic and inescapable reason, they will usually crack, and thus a NEO-Con is born............


13 posted on 03/24/2008 5:14:59 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.


14 posted on 03/24/2008 5:17:49 AM PDT by 50mm (:-O :-o - :-| ZZZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
The same problem exist when trying to show that in God's book, the Holy Bible, God said exactly what He wanted to say, He said it exactly how He meant to say it and meant it exactly how He said it.

There is little if any difference between the illogic of the liberal politically and the liberal Religiously.

15 posted on 03/24/2008 5:18:36 AM PDT by deuteronlmy232 (Still trying to learn the rules.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

ping


16 posted on 03/24/2008 5:27:47 AM PDT by phs3 (Call a terrorist a freedom fighter, I call you the enemy.)
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To: SkyPilot
Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" and then walked away.

Liberals do the same thing.

I remember the interview that Bill O'Reilly did with Michael Moore. Something that stunned O'Reilly into silence, something that I've only rarely seen, was when Moore stated flat out that there was no difference between being wrong and lying. O'Reilly really tried to push Moore on this, but he insisted that there was no difference, even giving an absurd example.

Which made me realize that since leftists believe that there's nothing wrong with being wrong at their core, and there's no difference between being wrong and lying, then there's nothing wrong with lying.

Mark

17 posted on 03/24/2008 5:29:04 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Years ago, a frustrated conservative asked in our local newspaper forum "Why do you liberals always accuse me of hate when all I do is post facts?"

"It's very simple, John," I chimed in. "Liberals hate facts. Therefore, when you post facts, to them, you're posting hate."

"Thanks for the explanation," John replied. "I kept wondering about that!"
18 posted on 03/24/2008 5:46:56 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

bttt


19 posted on 03/24/2008 5:55:34 AM PDT by Nascar Dad (www.AntiMicrobialProduct.com)
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To: USS Alaska

That illustrates what I said.


20 posted on 03/24/2008 6:01:29 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Excellent analysis but it is also conceit: They honestly believe that we conservatives are “stupid”, or worse “ignorant”. I have been running into them all of my life and they will ignore logical arguments, like you over tax me, the economy will be drained of capital, for the emotional argument of “I am my brother’s keeper”.


21 posted on 03/24/2008 6:08:19 AM PDT by Mere
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I thought this was the reason:


22 posted on 03/24/2008 6:11:23 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: snowrip

I have two polar opposite beliefs about many things.

But they’re not all related to politics.


23 posted on 03/24/2008 6:49:19 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I enjoyed this article.

What Yomin Postelnik is saying boils down to this: bigotry is human nature. Liberals have found a way to engage in bigotry, and disguise their bigotry with a smokescreen of accusations of bigotry in others. And the people the accuse of bigotry are the ones who try to demonstrate that they are bigots!

It makes may think of AIDS, which is a disease that attacks the cells that help the body fight against disease.

24 posted on 03/24/2008 7:15:44 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
THE REAL REASON WHY RADICAL LIBERALS DO NOT RESPOND TO DEBATE

They're dumb, which is why they're liberals in the first place?

25 posted on 03/24/2008 7:21:46 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: reasonisfaith

Thanks - What you mention is part of it too. Though their narcissim may also stem from their “feel good now despite all consequences” lifestyle.


26 posted on 03/24/2008 7:25:02 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: arthurus

They sure do live in an interesting fantasy land. It’s a shame what they do to their brains.


27 posted on 03/24/2008 7:25:43 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: deuteronlmy232

One (liberally religious) seems to lead to the other (liberal in general).


28 posted on 03/24/2008 7:26:28 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: Mere

Thanks! - They are funny. That argument of theirs is the snowman calling the oven cold, to “liberalize” an old expression.


29 posted on 03/24/2008 7:27:43 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
“Just Say No to Liberalism - Because a Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste”
30 posted on 03/24/2008 7:28:39 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: yldstrk

Relativism is the way “liberals” justify not conforming to a standard of behavior and doing anything they damn well please,

and when the consequences of this behavior “come home to roost”,

there’s always a government program that forcefully confiscates wealth from people making good decisions to pay for the alleviation of those consequences.


31 posted on 03/24/2008 7:29:10 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: arthurus

I’m teaching my children to reject the words, all of the words, from anyone espousing the absence of an objective truth.

People with no sense of truth external to their own definition are way more likely to deceive you.


32 posted on 03/24/2008 7:30:25 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Steely Tom

Thanks - I think that many times bigotry comes from some minor form of hedonism/narcissim. If people have it, they need to overcome it. Some of it comes from avoidance of logic, a specialty of liberals.


33 posted on 03/24/2008 7:30:30 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: snowrip

The new “mosaic generation” is being raised to be able to withstand the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.

They are taught to be “comfortable with contradiction”.
(google the quoted words for an article)

When faced with a logical contradiction that invalidates the leftist worldview, you’ll get, at most “how about that...”


34 posted on 03/24/2008 7:32:38 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Red Badger

“When confronted with irrefutable logic and inescapable reason, they will usually crack, and thus a NEO-Con is born............”

You think so?

My experience has been that they either get really testy, refuse to discuss the topic anymore, or quickly switch to something else.


35 posted on 03/24/2008 7:34:01 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: \/\/ayne

“Liberals hate facts. Therefore, when you post facts, to them, you’re posting hate.”

Example: Telling the truth about any PC topic.


36 posted on 03/24/2008 7:35:23 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
One (liberally religious) seems to lead to the other (liberal in general).

Agreed.

37 posted on 03/24/2008 8:34:24 AM PDT by deuteronlmy232 (Still trying to learn the rules.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Liberalism is a mental disease as proven by the fact that they think it is OK for them to lie because their position is the true one

They are too damned brain warped to realize if their position was correct they wouldn’t have to lie


38 posted on 03/24/2008 9:29:56 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob
We just have to become more enlightened to understand why they have to lie even though their position is the ultimate truth. That's how they got that way. Staring into a 500 Watt for 6 hours made them enlightened.
39 posted on 03/24/2008 2:45:00 PM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: Steely Tom

“What Yomin Postelnik is saying boils down to this: bigotry is human nature. Liberals have found a way to engage in bigotry, and disguise their bigotry with a smokescreen of accusations of bigotry in others. And the people the accuse of bigotry are the ones who try to demonstrate that they are bigots!”

Known as the psychological phenomenon of Projection. They accuse you of what they are guilty of, but somehow are blind to the hypocrisy.


40 posted on 03/24/2008 4:54:58 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I think it's a little simpler than that:


41 posted on 03/24/2008 4:57:58 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: MrB

“My experience has been that they either get really testy, refuse to discuss the topic anymore, or quickly switch to something else.”

My experience is that they get outright hostile, and won’t hesitate to sacrifice personal relationships in order to justify their righteousness. Name calling, out shouting, interrupting, and all forms of personal attacks are common.


42 posted on 03/24/2008 5:02:39 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Richard Kimball

Is that for real?


43 posted on 03/25/2008 10:27:26 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Richard Kimball

If it is real, she qualifies to be on “Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader’s Toe Jam (Fox)”


44 posted on 03/25/2008 10:28:38 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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