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Perhaps The Climate Change Models Are Wrong
National Post ^ | 2008-03-24 | Lorne Gunter

Posted on 03/24/2008 8:07:49 AM PDT by Clive

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"When they were first deployed in 2003, the Argos were hailed for their ability to collect information on ocean conditions more precisely, at more places and greater depths and in more conditions than ever before. No longer would scientists have to rely on measurements mostly at the surface from older scientific buoys or inconsistent shipboard monitors."

"So why are some scientists now beginning to question the buoys' findings? Because in five years, the little blighters have failed to detect any global warming. They are not reinforcing the scientific orthodoxy of the day, namely that man is causing the planet to warm dangerously. They are not proving the predetermined conclusions of their human masters. Therefore they, and not their masters' hypotheses, must be wrong."

No, Galileo, I won't look through your telescope

1 posted on 03/24/2008 8:07:51 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...

Conventional wisdom is always wrong.


2 posted on 03/24/2008 8:08:50 AM PDT by Clive
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To: xcamel

Global warming list PING!


3 posted on 03/24/2008 8:11:57 AM PDT by CedarDave (John, When will you treat conservatives the way you do fellow senators John, Hillary and Barack?)
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To: Clive
Dr. Willis insisted the temperature drop was "not anything really significant." And I trust he's right. But can anyone imagine NASA or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) or the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- the UN's climate experts -- shrugging off even a "very slight" warming.

NASA and NOAA are looking like junk scientists - Real scientist aren't vested in one outcome over another...

4 posted on 03/24/2008 8:14:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (Remember your ABC's -- Anybody But Clinton.)
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To: Clive; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


FReepmail me to get on or off
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5 posted on 03/24/2008 8:19:19 AM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: GOPJ

not a problem, the libs will say the data is just too complex for the average person. they’ll just remove access to it, and properly interpret it for us.


6 posted on 03/24/2008 8:19:45 AM PDT by tm61
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice

If the data doesn’t support your theory, ignore the data :)


7 posted on 03/24/2008 8:28:44 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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To: Clive

Those little Argo “blighters” are clearly deniers. When are these instruments going to wise up and get with the program? Was this program funded by evil corporations?


8 posted on 03/24/2008 8:29:08 AM PDT by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: Clive

The more accurate our methods of measuring temperature, the least likely the climate change fanatics will like the results. It is particularly bad when the can’t manipulate the data to meat their results.


9 posted on 03/24/2008 8:32:06 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Clive
I've been checking the solarcycle24 website for any sign of sunspots for weeks. They finally made an appearance last night. The numbers are still small, but a continued absence would likely herald the onset of an ice age.
10 posted on 03/24/2008 8:33:55 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: centurion316

I think the AGW alarmists will very quickly fix this problem. Mann and his cohorts will either just reprogram the buggers to get the result they want, or they will ‘adjust’ the raw data to ‘smooth’ the numbers. These people have no shame, it seems the more the evidnece disproves their goofy theories, the louder they become. The way to win an argument is with facts, but the AGW,liberal, socialist, marxist crowd has never believed facts matter, only their ideology matters.


11 posted on 03/24/2008 8:35:28 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: tm61

I showed this to a warmist. He said that the reason for the cooling was all the glacial melt runoff due to warming. He cited his glass of tea after the ice melts.


12 posted on 03/24/2008 8:46:47 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Clive
So why are some scientists now beginning to question the buoys' findings? Because in five years, the little blighters have failed to detect any global warming.

To our eternal shame and detriment, mankind will never cast overboard the propensity to kill the messenger. Even if the messengers are just lowly "Argo deniers."

13 posted on 03/24/2008 8:55:12 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: milwguy
The AGW alarmists do not have reprogram instruments or computer models or adjust data. They just have to announce that they are very concerned about what humans, especially those that live within the borders of the USA, are doing to the Earth and it will be delivered by the MSM to the mindless verbatim! The mindless will believe it and within a week a video will be made and distributed to every school for the continuing indoctranation of our children.
14 posted on 03/24/2008 8:56:12 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Clive
Climate modelers are aware of such cooling, there was such an event in the early 1980s, and it gets discussed frequently. However it's not clear that we are actually in another, as Lyman recently discovered that there were errors in his analysis of the Ago float profile data:

Correction to “Recent Cooling 1 of the Upper Ocean” Revised and Resubmitted 10 July 2007

Abstract. Two systematic biases have been discovered 9 in the ocean temperature data used by Lyman et al. [2006]. These biases are both substantially larger than sampling errors estimated in Lyman et al. [2006], and appear to be the cause of the rapid cooling reported in that work.

Most of the rapid decrease in globally integrated 18 upper (0–750 m) ocean heat content(OHCA) between 2003 and 2005 reported by Lyman et al. [2006] appears to be an artifact resulting from the combination of two different instrument biases recently discovered in the in situ profile data. Although Lyman et al. [2006] carefully 22 estimated sampling errors, they did not investigate potential biases among different instrument types. One such bias has been identified in a subset of Argo float profiles...

http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Pdf/heat_2006.pdf

15 posted on 03/24/2008 8:56:32 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: Myrddin

Is there a FR “the coming Ice age” ping list yet?


16 posted on 03/24/2008 8:59:51 AM PDT by listenhillary (There's more people in the wagon, than there is pushin')
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To: GreyFriar

That technique has been used in the pre-historic science dating applications also.


17 posted on 03/24/2008 9:09:17 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1; zot; SeraphimApprentice

In reading an article about the mothballing of the USS Kennedy I found this sentence:

“The 1,050-foot-long Kennedy, which displaces about 82,000 tons of water, is hard to maneuver, especially under tow.”

Which makes me wonder how much the ocean level is rising because the increasing size of ships being built, launched and sailed? The displaced water has to go somewhere, and the only logical place is for it to be rising all around the ship and along the shorelines. Therefore I propose that ALL BOATS AND SHIPS be immediately banded from the waters of the planet. All boats and ships, from the smallest dingy to the largest supertanker be docked and dismantled. This will lead to the droping of the level of the oceans and thus keep the world from flooding.

(No I’m not serious, but just hoping to beat an envionmentalist in proposing it.)


18 posted on 03/24/2008 9:26:52 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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To: GreyFriar

The global warming commission has determined that Greenland displaces more water than its glaciers absorb, therefore Greenland is now outlawed.


19 posted on 03/24/2008 9:34:32 AM PDT by valkyry1
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Is there a FR “the coming Ice age” ping list yet?

I don't know. You can find plenty of interesting activity on Robert Felix's site at http://www.iceagenow.com.

20 posted on 03/24/2008 9:37:56 AM PDT by Myrddin
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