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Russias Putin orders aid for Kosovo Serb enclaves
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSL2452567520080324 ^

Posted on 03/24/2008 8:44:46 AM PDT by kronos77

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin asked ministers on Monday to draw up plans to send humanitarian aid to Serb-populated enclaves of Kosovo, Russian media reported.

Moscow has joined its ally Belgrade in opposing Kosovo's independence from Serbia and has refused to recognise it as a sovereign state. The United States and most European countries have recognized Kosovo's independence.

Russian television showed a meeting between Putin and his ministers at which Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the Serbian government had requested the aid, citing a deterioration of the situation in Serb-populated areas of Kosovo.

"We considered it important to respond to this request," Lavrov said.

Putin ordered Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov to "work on this issue", Itar-Tass news agency quoted the Russian president as saying.

He did not say if Kosovo's government, which Russia has described as illegitimate, would be consulted over the aid. Putin said the despatch of humanitarian aid should not be politicized.

"When we talk about political issues, it is one side of the problem, humanitarian issues are another," Putin said.

"If we look at humanitarian issues, we should proceed from the fact that all the people of this enclave must feel alright, irrespective of their nationality. If there is a need for humanitarian aid, let's do it but without political overtones."

Lavrov said the Serbian government in Belgrade had asked for medicine, medical equipment, non-perishable food supplies and hygiene products for the Serb-populated enclaves in Kosovo.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: antichristian; appeasement; dhimmitude; dhimmwit; dhimmwits; islam; jihad; kosovo; putin; serbia; terror; wrongside

1 posted on 03/24/2008 8:44:46 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/24/2008 8:45:01 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

We should be helping the Serbs after what Clinton did to them. Instead, Bush appears to want to cover up for Clinton.


3 posted on 03/24/2008 8:52:43 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: kronos77

Info bump.


4 posted on 03/24/2008 9:07:24 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: kronos77

Here we are, once again supporting the wrong side.

How can there be such a disconnect between our lofty goals and ideals, our stated policies, and the actual policies our government follows?
We spend billions to fight “terrorism” while at the same time we spend billions arming terrorist states and terrorists.

It doesn’t seem to matter which party occupies the White House or has the majority in congress either - they both condone the ongoing arrogance and stupidity of the State Department.


5 posted on 03/24/2008 9:25:33 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Dante3

You guys lost, deal with it.


6 posted on 03/24/2008 9:36:09 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...)
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To: kronos77

“humanitarian aid?” Surely Russia’s little brothers are worth more than that, no? Where are the holy Russian crusaders to liberate holy Serbia from the infidel USA? Has Russia abandoned their brother? No! That could not be.


7 posted on 03/24/2008 9:37:46 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: NYC Republican
"You guys"? What is that supposed to mean?

I have no connection to Serbs. As far as I know, I have never met a Serb. I am outraged at Clinton killing around 3,000 Serbs, mostly women and children. These Serbs posed no threat to us and had done no harm to us. Nothing justifies these perverted killings.

8 posted on 03/24/2008 10:24:25 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: NYC Republican

We’ll see who loses in the end.


9 posted on 03/24/2008 10:27:25 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Dante3

Clinton killed 3,000 Serbs? Are you nuts? That’s a figure that even Milosevic wouldn’t have used.


10 posted on 03/24/2008 10:46:42 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...)
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To: Dante3
I am outraged at Clinton killing around 3,000 Serbs, mostly women and children.

Although it saddens me to say it, they were expendable, their lives of negligible consequence. The only thing that mattered was to keep Monica off the front page of the paper, guarantee Bill's continued political surivial and with it Herself's chance at being America's first Lesbian president.

11 posted on 03/24/2008 11:08:40 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: NYC Republican

Not so. The figure was between 1,200 to 2,500 civilians and 1,002 soldiers. Human Rights Watch has the civilian figures as low as 489. That’s still about one civilian for ever soldier. The Human Rights Watch figures do not include civilian deaths from the aftermath of the bombing (deaths caused because of the destruction of targeted hospitals, bridges, etc.).

But hey, look on the bright side. You’re supporting the Klintonista creation of a new Islamo-fascist state in Europe. Be proud.

BTW, if you think this is over and the Serbs “lost,” you don’t know the history of Kosovo very well.


12 posted on 03/24/2008 12:08:15 PM PDT by cizinec ("I've never heard a corpse ask how it got so cold.")
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To: NYC Republican

You guys lost, deal with it.

Aha, that Hitler also said when he finished bombing Belgrade in 1941.


13 posted on 03/24/2008 12:33:05 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: NYC Republican

Clinton killed 3,000 Serbs? Are you nuts? That’s a figure that even Milosevic wouldn’t have used.

You mean in the way that Milosevic killed 300 000 Albanians and put them in mass graves? Well, no, I`m affraid those victims were real one not virtual.


14 posted on 03/24/2008 12:44:17 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: cizinec
The figure was between 1,200 to 2,500 civilians and 1,002 soldiers.

Serbia to this day has not produced an accurate accounting of their losses during Allied Force - or at least has not made the accounting public.

Either way, it is odd that they prefer to keep the information to themselves, rather than releasing it to the Serbian public. It's almost as if they prefer to use the gray area to exploit for propaganda purposes, but we know no responsible government would do such a thing, don't we.

Milosevic, btw, used HRW's numbers when his State Prosecutor mounted his little dog and pony show of a trial in Belgrade against NATO.

15 posted on 03/24/2008 4:01:29 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: NYC Republican

You mean us Christians?

Sorry, we are not going to allow a group of Christians to be victimized by the Jihadists.


16 posted on 03/24/2008 5:21:31 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: NYC Republican

You “gotten over” 9/11 yet?


17 posted on 03/24/2008 5:22:04 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Hoplite

Milosevich, squawk! Milosevich, squawk! Milosevich, squawk!

It’s the DhimmiDodo bird!


18 posted on 03/24/2008 5:23:26 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: BabaYaga

According to all official reports, you are off by a factor of at least 100x. And on this easily disproved basis, Albanians justify their land grab.


19 posted on 03/25/2008 4:01:15 AM PDT by frodo34
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To: Hoplite

” . . . but we know no responsible government would do such a thing, don’t we.”

People who live in glass houses . . .

To support the war, your great hero Klinton and his pal Notsobright, through the State Department on April 19, 1999 claimed that the Serbs “were feared to have” killed 500,000 ethnic Albanians. 500,000! Your big “massacre” was 40-45 in Racak. Klinton used a 100,000 murdered figure from Secretary of Defense William Cohen. Those were the numbers the MSM reported.

You’re talking about the Serbs upping the number by a thousand or two for “propaganda” purposes. That argument is, at best, disingenuous.

Maybe you still believe the MSM and the Klintonistas. If that’s the case, I hope you’ll stop being an MSM sucker and wake up!


20 posted on 03/25/2008 4:26:03 AM PDT by cizinec ("I've never heard a corpse ask how it got so cold.")
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To: cizinec
That argument is, at best, disingenuous.

Really? You see, while it's normal to arrive at a more accurate assesment over time in the West in these matters, as indeed has been the case in Bosnia and Kosovo, the Serbs have managed to go in the opposite direction.

The civilian casualty count was 503 in 2000, and now, 8 years later, it's 1,200 to 2,500.

Feel free to explain how that's not disingenuous.

21 posted on 03/25/2008 4:51:42 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

That’s easy for anyone with a brain that actually works.

First, collateral damage (i.e., those who died because of destroyed infrastructure) are not immediately counted during the chaos of a foreign invasion.

Second, the increased figures are about 2-2.5X increase and are not justified to do anything.

Third, you implied that no responsible government would BS figure to do something. You are supporting the actions of the Klintons, who did exactly what you are condemning.

Finally, HOLY FREAKING CRAP! 500,000 vs. 2,000. YOU CAN’T SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE INFLATION RATIOS?

You’re not that bright, man.


22 posted on 03/25/2008 5:44:23 AM PDT by cizinec ("I've never heard a corpse ask how it got so cold.")
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To: cizinec
First, collateral damage (i.e., those who died because of destroyed infrastructure) are not immediately counted during the chaos of a foreign invasion.

HRW published their number in February of 2000, and the Serbs were quoting a similar number in September of 2000. Are you attempting to argue that 15 months isn't long enough to arrive at an accurate count?

Second, the increased figures are about 2-2.5X increase and are not justified to do anything.

This sentence doesn't make sense in English. However, if your intent was to argue that an increase of 2 to 2.5 5 times the initial count (utilized 15 months after hostilities ended) is acceptable, well, great. Now all you have to do is back it up with some actual data to support that 2 to 5 fold increase. If you can find that data, present it. If you can't, then you've got a problem.

23 posted on 03/25/2008 6:42:35 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: NYC Republican
Clinton killed 3,000 Serbs? Are you nuts? That’s a figure that even Milosevic wouldn’t have used.

The number's certainly in the thousands, and even NATO admits that the number could easily be at least 1,500. With 36,000 sorties, in which 23,000 bombs and missiles were dropped over a period of 78 days, including on the city of Belgrade and other populstion centers, if the USAF didn't hit anything besides the dummy tanks and decoy mobile missile launchers made out of old cars and plywood, the American taxpayers sure weren't getting their money's worth. And of course the airstrike in early May in which a NATO aircraft attacked an Albanian refugee convoy was not one of the USAF's sterling moments, as was not the Grdelica gorge train bombing of Serbian Easter worshipers en route to religious services in which a dozen or so were killed.

Per Wikipedia:

Civilians killed by NATO airstrikes

Main article: Targeting of civilian areas during Operation Allied Force

Yugoslavia claimed that NATO attacks caused between 1,200 and 5,700 civilian casualties. NATO acknowledged killing at most 1,500 civilians. Human Rights Watch counted a minimum of 488 civilian deaths (90 to 150 of them killed from cluster bomb use) in 90 separate incidents. Attacks in Kosovo overall were more deadly - a third of the incidents account for more than half of the deaths.[

Per the Army War College article *here*

If our objectives in Kosovo were not worth the life of a single American soldier or aviator, why were they worth the lives of so many Albanian Kosovars, indeed so many Serbs? Professional soldiers know that what makes soldiers unique is their intimate relationship with human life--and with human death. In the Star Wars movies, it is the Evil Empire that obliterates its enemies while acting from the safety of the Death Star. That is not a model to be emulated. A nation that is all too willing to kill in support of its interests and ideals but not willing to suffer may be feared, but it also will be held in contempt by adversaries and friends alike.

Sounds a bit like someone with a guilty conscience regretting the blood on his hands.... And there's one more telling observation:

In a Thanksgiving 1999 speech to American troops in Kosovo, Clinton proclaimed, “Thanks to you, we have reversed ethnic cleansing.”

24 posted on 03/25/2008 8:50:04 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

How many of them were Albanians, inadvertently hit (trains, etc)? It was collateral casualties, but nonetheless.


25 posted on 03/25/2008 9:14:47 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...)
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To: kronos77

Hope McCain aids the Chechen’s and Kosovo people to the same level the KGB has aided the Iranians.


26 posted on 03/25/2008 8:10:21 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Duncan Hunter- The very Govts unwilling to support us in the WOT got the Fuel Tanker Deal)
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