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Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
National Post ^ | February 02, 2007 | Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 03/24/2008 11:17:56 AM PDT by Delacon

Apology To Dr. Nigel Weiss

Nigel Weiss, professor of astrophysics at the University of Cambridge, believes that the warming trend in Earth's climate is caused by greenhouse gases produced by human activity, and that the effect of a potential future reduction in solar activity would not reverse or cancel out that trend, but might have a small effect in mitigating it. He has held these views for several years. Incorrect information appeared in a column in the Financial Post on Feb. 2. The National Post withdraws any allegation that Dr. Weiss is a global warming "denier" and regrets the embarrassment caused him by the Feb. 2 column and a further column on Feb. 9. 

January 12, 2007

The science is settled" on climate change, say most scientists in the field. They believe that man-made emissions of greenhouse gases are heating the globe to dangerous levels and that, in the coming decades, steadily increasing temperatures will melt the polar ice caps and flood the world's low-lying coastal areas.

Don't tell that to Nigel Weiss, Professor Emeritus at the Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics at the University of Cambridge, past President of the Royal Astronomical Society, and a scientist as honoured as they come. The science is anything but settled, he observes, except for one virtual certainty: The world is about to enter a cooling period.

Dr. Weiss believes that man-made greenhouse gases have recently had a role in warming the earth, although the extent of that role, he says, cannot yet be known. What is known, however, is that throughout earth's history climate change has been driven by factors other than man: "Variable behaviour of the sun is an obvious explanation," says Dr. Weiss, "and there is increasing evidence that Earth's climate responds to changing patterns of solar magnetic activity."

The series

Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV

The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X

The sun's most obvious magnetic features are sunspots, formed as magnetic fields rip through the sun's surface. A magnetically active sun boosts the number of sunspots, indicating that vast amounts of energy are being released from deep within.

Typically, sunspots flare up and settle down in cycles of about 11 years. In the last 50 years, we haven't been living in typical times: "If you look back into the sun's past, you find that we live in a period of abnormally high solar activity," Dr. Weiss states.

These hyperactive periods do not last long, "perhaps 50 to 100 years, then you get a crash," says Dr. Weiss. 'It's a boom-bust system, and I would expect a crash soon."

In addition to the 11-year cycle, sunspots almost entirely "crash," or die out, every 200 years or so as solar activity diminishes. When the crash occurs, the Earth can cool dramatically. Dr. Weiss knows because these phenomenon, known as "Grand minima," have recurred over the past 10,000 years, if not longer.

"The deeper the crash, the longer it will last," Dr. Weiss explains. In the 17th century, sunspots almost completely disappeared for 70 years. That was the coldest interval of the Little Ice Age, when New York Harbour froze, allowing walkers to journey from Manhattan to Staten Island, and when Viking colonies abandoned Greenland, a once verdant land that became tundra. Also in the Little Ice Age, Finland lost one-third of its population, Iceland half.

The previous cooling period lasted 150 years while a minor crash at the beginning of the 19th century was accompanied by a cooling period that lasted only 30 years.

In contrast, when the sun is very active, such as the period we're now in, the Earth can warm dramatically. This was the case during the Medieval Warm Period, when the Vikings first colonized Greenland and when Britain was wine-growing country.

No one knows precisely when a crash will occur but some expect it soon, because the sun's polar field is now at its weakest since measurements began in the early 1950s. Some predict the crash within five years, and many speculate about its effect on global warming. A mild crash could be beneficial, in giving us Earthlings the decades needed to reverse our greenhouse gas producing ways. Others speculate that the recent global warming may be a blessing in disguise, big-time, by moderating the negative consequences of what might otherwise be a deep chill following a deep crash. During the Little Ice Age, scientists estimate, global temperatures on average may have dropped by less than 1 degree Celsius, showing the potential consequences of even an apparently small decline.

Dr. Weiss prefers not to speculate. He sees the coming crash as an opportunity to obtain the knowledge necessary to make informed decisions on climate change, and the extent to which man-made emissions have been a factor.

"Having a crash would certainly allow us to pin down the sun's true level of influence on the Earth's climate," concludes Dr. Weiss. Then we will be able to act on fact, rather than from fear.

Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Urban Renaissance Institute and Consumer Policy Institute, divisions of Energy Probe Research Foundation.

CV OF A DENIER:

Nigel Weiss, professor emeritus of mathematical astrophysics in the University of Cambridge, discovered the process of "flux expulsion" by which a conducting fluid undergoing rotating motion acts to expel the magnetic flux from the region of motion, a process now known to occur in the photosphere of the sun and other stars. He is also distinguished for his work on the theory of convection, and for precise numerical experiments on the behaviour of complicated non-linear differential equations. Nigel Weiss is a recipient of a Royal Society Citation, he is a past President of the Royal Astronomical Society, and a past Chairman of Cambridge's School of Physical Sciences. He was educated at Clare College, University of Cambridge.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alarmists; algore; cizik; climatechange; globalwarming; houghton; liarsforjesus; skeptics
In this article in the series, the National Post has since printed a retraction. But in the interest of honesty and continuety, I am including this article complete with the added retraction. Hey, if we can't be better than the alarmists in admitting our errors, then it really isn't worth trying.
I was going through my bookmarks and stumbled on this series by Lawrence Solomon of the National Post. I did a FR search and sure enough the ever vigilant FR posters didn't disappoint. Freeper Libwhacker had posted the first article in the series on 2/5/07. However at that time there were only 10 parts in the series and links to the other 9 parts in the series are only refenced in follow up posts on that thread. Since then the total number of parts in the series has grown to 27 with the last article dated 6/15/07. I checked as best I could but I don't think anyone posted any follow ups to the first in the series(my apologies if I missed anyone's efforts). Now I know that this series is a little bit dated but I can't think of a more comprehensive and fair coverage(don't let the frequent use of the term "deniers" throw ya) of climate change skepticism has been done since. This series does a thorough point by point analysis of the issues skeptics have with the so called "consensus". Heck, it not only uses frequent references to some of the biggest names in skepticism but then sites their CVs. Anyway, I am posting all 27 articles(if the administrators will let me) but here is the main site with links to all parts in the series if you don't want to wait. Dis is gonna take a lot of work.
 

Climate change: The Deniers

National Post  Published: Friday, February 09, 2007

Earth

The Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science. Here is the series so far:

Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI
Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII

Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX
The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI
Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
They call this a consensus? - Part XXV
NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
Forget warming - beware the new ice age - Part XXVII

 
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=c6a32614-f906-4597-993d-f181196a6d71
  

1 posted on 03/24/2008 11:17:57 AM PDT by Delacon
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2 posted on 03/24/2008 11:19:15 AM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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3 posted on 03/24/2008 11:21:06 AM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: xcamel

The Global Warming Beach Party

[IMG]http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa124/mountainclmbr/global-warming-beach-party.jpg[/IMG]


4 posted on 03/24/2008 11:30:49 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Not liking my choices in this election!)
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To: MtnClimber

dead link


5 posted on 03/24/2008 11:31:28 AM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: xcamel

All I could find were places to buy the DVD.


6 posted on 03/24/2008 11:44:20 AM PDT by dsc
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To: xcamel

Another try at the link:

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa124/mountainclmbr/global-warming-beach-party.jpg

But be forewarned - it’s not pretty.


7 posted on 03/24/2008 11:56:53 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Delacon
Dr. Weiss prefers not to speculate. He sees the coming crash as an opportunity to obtain the knowledge necessary to make informed decisions on climate change, and the extent to which man-made emissions have been a factor.

"Having a crash would certainly allow us to pin down the sun's true level of influence on the Earth's climate," concludes Dr. Weiss. Then we will be able to act on fact, rather than from fear.

This is a rare find in the realm of Global Warming believers.

All I ever hear form them is “We must act now because it is already too late!”

8 posted on 03/24/2008 12:00:15 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: DuncanWaring

No “Rage Boy” ?????


9 posted on 03/24/2008 12:02:07 PM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: xcamel

I was a little surprised the creator didn’t work in Helen Thomas.


10 posted on 03/24/2008 12:13:17 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Delacon

“Others speculate that the recent global warming may be a blessing in disguise, big-time, by moderating the negative consequences of what might otherwise be a deep chill following a deep crash.”

It’s about time that SUV’s were subsidized — SUV drivers shouldn’t have to pay all the costs of saving the world.


11 posted on 03/24/2008 12:41:18 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Delacon

Maybe the cooling period started already. How will the liberals explain it then since CO2 has been increasing? Of course sane people know industry, coal, CO2 , SUV’s etc. don’t cause global warming.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977496/posts

“Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way February 27, 2008

Posted By Marc Morano – 4:57 PM ET – Marc_Morano@EPW.SEnate.Gov

Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way

[Disclaimer: Since there is no “normal” temperature of the Earth, there is no way the Earth can have a “fever.” The headline’s reference to “fever” is for amusement purposes only.]

A sampling of recent articles detailing the inconvenient reality of temperature trends around the planet.

News Round Up

Report: Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling (Daily Tech – February 26, 2008)

Excerpt: All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C — a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it’s the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down. […] Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. ... No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. “
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977496/posts


12 posted on 03/24/2008 1:19:33 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Socialism will destroy a country economically. why dems & Mccain for Socialism?)
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To: Delacon

Maybe the cooling period started already. How will the liberals explain it then since CO2 emissions has been increasing for the past year and the earth has cooled significantly over that same year? Of course,conservatives and sane people know industry, coal, CO2 , SUV’s etc. don’t cause global warming but it’s the Sun ,stupid that causes global warming and cooling.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977496/posts

“Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way February 27, 2008

Posted By Marc Morano – 4:57 PM ET – Marc_Morano@EPW.SEnate.Gov

Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way

[Disclaimer: Since there is no “normal” temperature of the Earth, there is no way the Earth can have a “fever.” The headline’s reference to “fever” is for amusement purposes only.]

A sampling of recent articles detailing the inconvenient reality of temperature trends around the planet.

News Round Up

Report: Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling (Daily Tech – February 26, 2008)

Excerpt: All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C — a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it’s the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down. […] Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. ... No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. “
....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977496/posts


13 posted on 03/24/2008 1:21:22 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Socialism will destroy a country economically. why dems & Mccain for Socialism?)
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To: Democrat_media; All

I am doing this from memory but ice ages last over a hundred of thousands years(some several). They are the norm. Warming periods AVERAGE 8000 years. We are currently in a warming period that has gone on for over 10 thousand years. Imagine that, the entire history of civilizaton that we are now in, began with a WARMING period and we are still in it. Its 2K past the average for these trends. Don’t worry about a continued global warming. Worry about the inevitable and life destroying iceage. Nah, don’t worry about any of it. Just adapt to what comes.


14 posted on 03/24/2008 4:36:08 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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