Skip to comments."NeoCon for Ron:" Why neoconservatives should back Ron Paul (Ozone Action Alert)
Posted on 03/24/2008 12:55:07 PM PDT by Dada Orwell
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Is it "neoconservative" to spend ourselves into a military collapse? How will we bomb things if we can't buy the bombs? If you cherish our military adventures, take note: We're out of money and Dr. Paul's controlled drawdown may be the only way to prevent a collapse so complete it costs America her ability to project power.
What is a Neocon? The term honestly confuses me.
I told Bolton that neocon is a word invented by liberals to cover up the fact that they have not had a foreign policy for 40 years.
More candidly, neo con is someone willing to use militiary force to defend the hegemony of American ideals such as human rights. It is a more aggressive military policy but it is accompanied by a broad sense of diplomacy that the human interests of individuals transcends economics and statist motivations.
Let me add:
Federal spending is completely out of control. But defense is not the problem. It is entitlements. Defense is but a small drop in the entitlements bucket.
Isn't Dr. Paul was opposed to the projection of American power?
For some reason I was thinking it was a liberal term to identity Jewish Republicans?
I actually do think there are anti semitic underpinnings to the term’s use within liberal circles.
You certainly are not off target in that assessment.
So far, a Democrat. What sets a neocon apart from a modern Democrat is that a neocon is in favor of increased military spending, increased military presence abroad, and general interventionism along the lines of Woodrow Wilson. Big government at home, big government abroad. They are a splinter movement from the left which occurred around the time of the Vietnam war, when the left cast off its remaining vestiges of being pro-American military. Irving Kristol is sometimes cited as a progenitor, but IMO, Scoop Jackson led the first real movement. On the more formal side, Leo Strauss underpins a great deal of the idealogical moorings (while Hegel is often overlooked, neoconservatism closely dovetails with his notions of the collective).
George Bush is NOT really a neocon (though, he may well be popular with neocons), nor are most of his cabinet members. "Neocon" is a term which gets thrown around a lot today, and the meaning has become diluted. A protoypical neocon is Joe Lieberman, who follows closely from the mold of early 20th century Democrats like Woodrow Wilson. Another is Guiliani. See also many members of PNAC.
Someone who is "pro-defense" and also holds most other conservative positions (at least a social moderate, at least somewhat sympathetic to calls for smaller domestic government, in favor of lower taxes and lower spending, etc) is not a neocon. To make it crystal clear - if your only claim to conservativism is having a woody for the WOT, you are a neocon.
As I understand it, the term was originated by the Neo-cons themselves. These are folks who were originally Socialists, but recognized that they could acheive some of their aims by co-opting the conservative movement.
They are not conservatives, but rather former leftists who now claim some connection to conservatives, at least as far as directing this country's foreign policy.
Toward interfering in the affairs of other nations. They like foreign aid to Israel and overthrowing Muslim countries.
Perfectly clear BTTT!
Thank you and everyone for helping me understand this term better.
To the lefties, it’s a conservative Jew.
... used disparagingly.
Most likely, a very confused Ron Paul supporter.
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
Ron Paul will be on Coast tonight.
>The proper definition of neocon is one who is pro-government spending on welfare, socially liberal, advocates taxing the rich more, backs broad government intervention in the economy, backs broad domestic regulations, generally is in favor of all the New Deal and Great Society policies, endorses a strong United Nations, backs a strong federal government (anti-federalism, against state sovereignty), and has no idealogical convictions on gun control.<
As I read this the name George Bush jumped to the front of my mind. The only thing that didn’t fit was “advocates taxing the rich more,”.
We are not out of money.
Against our GDP we spend little on the military.
We are not broke.
Quit spamming FR with this lunacy, Paultard
My several 5th great grandfathers didn’t serve in the Rev. War from New Hampshire to have a POS like L.Ron Paul to twist the constitution to destroy America.
L. Ron Paul and his cult of personality are no better than the Marxist or IslamOfascists.
The whole idea is “Neo-Idiocy”. Please take it elsewhere...
The Paulestinian Theme Song:
There is nothing wrong with a neocon approach versus a realpolitik approach as long as the US has a large draft military, money to finance endless wars and a population willing to produce sons for the meatgrinder, plus one generation of K-12 endoctrination to prepare a generation for the horrors and sacrifice of war and a industrial production base capable of producing the bullets, bombs, planes, ships, tanks, etc etc needed for the wars. Since the US has neither of the above, then I think the neocons better go home and let the realpolitiks take charge. Atleast we will end the 21st Century a world power and not a fiancially strapped power like the British Empire after WWII.
A domestic liberal who is not a wuss when it comes to foreign policy.
That comes somewhat close to paleo-conservatism, although it seems as if most paleo-cons are socially conservative, to the point at which they favor using big-government solutions to accomplish their goals in this area. Hence my tagline.
A neocon is someone who pursue’s Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy under the rubric of conservatism.
"There is nothing wrong with a neocon.."
It'll be a mind-stretcher, I know, but give it a try.
I think you forgot the /sarcasm tag.......or are you serious?
As always, thanks for all the responses. Time will tell whether our present course leads off a cliff. Just remember Paul’s predictions with an open mind until the day the bottom drops out.