Posted on 03/24/2008 12:57:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
London - You might want to take that vacation in England just as soon as you can – before its 1,000-year run as a sovereign nation comes to an end.
This winter, 27 nations of the European Union (EU) signed the Treaty of Lisbon. You may think, "Innocuous enough," as Portuguese-inspired visions of the Tagus River and chicken piri-piri swirl before your eyes.
But for England (Britain, actually) the Treaty of Lisbon isn't that appetizing. That's because, if ratified, it will become the decisive act in this creation of a federal European superstate with its capital in Brussels. Britain would become a province and its "Mother of Parliaments," a regional assembly. And that's no small humiliation for a country that gave the world English and saved Western civilization in the Battle of Britain in 1940.
The Eurocrat elite in Brussels might not admit it, but the Treaty of Lisbon is essentially a constitution for a "country" called Europe. More bluntly, it's a cynical repackaging of the EU Constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005.
Former Prime Minister Tony Blair promised to put the EU Constitution to the British people in a referendum. But his successor, Gordon Brown, has reneged on that promise. He insists that the Treaty of Lisbon is shorn of all constitutional content and that it preserves key aspects of British sovereignty. On March 11, the bill to ratify the treaty cleared the House of Commons. And now the Brown government is poised to win passage in the House of Lords, too.
But British resistance is stirring.
(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...
No. Not in my lifetime. Not so long as I draw breath.
Remember the old line: “There will always be a Britain?”
Apparently not.
A New Empire? Maybe as a whole they’ll get their Sh!t together?
And why should this nation have two permanent seats on the UN security council, and 27 seats in the general assembly?
The treaty sounds like a lot of paper B.S. Sure it's onerous and a threat to sovereignty and England—until Britain (or any country) just pulls a "Kosovo" and rips it up. Whadda they gonna do? Subdue the Brits with cheese grenades?
An overlordship of pansies is hard to enforce.
Just call the whole thing Lisbonistan, and be done with it.
No external force could ever defeat such a strong and powerful Nation. No, the defeat must come from within. This painful truth is working today in both Britain and the US. Collectively the West has lost its way and faith.
Rev 13:1 And I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads names of blasphemy.
The Grand Caliphate of Eurostan.
With its capital of Brusselabad.
It was smart of Tony Blair to convert to Catholicism. He's going to need to make one hell of a confession if he hopes to get to heaven: killing a nation is surely a mortal sin.
If you think about it, Britain is a relatively small country with not so many natural resources that against all odds managed to build an empire. Since WWII, the British Empire has been on the decline, as has British culture and demographics. At this point, why *should* Britain occupy any more lofty a position in the grand schema of things than say Poland or even Kazakhstan?
Empires rise. Empires fall. I don’t see any more point in waxing nostalgic over the fallen glory of the British empire than I do over the fallen glory of the Ottoman or Spanish empires that preceeded it.
The Globalists are quite busy..
I hope this doesn’t come to pass. What has Queen Elizabeth to say?
Yeah and by your logic pretty much soon enough there will be no need to lament the fall of the American (Empire) nation too..!
The could not effect the dictatorship via “voluntary” constitution so the Brussels Effets will create by treaty fiat.
If the British Empire is done, then the British Museum should send the looted artifacts back to their countries of origin...
The EU has long been run by totally left wing anti-American Communist. It is a disgrace to the world and our saving them twice from total destruction.
“Yeah and by your logic pretty much soon enough there will be no need to lament the fall of the American (Empire) nation too..!”
I think it was Mark Steyn who noted that cultures die by suicide, not murder. I hope we choose to live on as both a dominant nation and culture. I think that there is a lot of America and our culture that is very much worth preserving and expanding. Unfortunately, my opinion is probably not shared by the majority of the American populace at this point.
Give me a break.
Not true. When threatened from without, the bureaucracy in Brussels will be too busy shuffling paperclips to mount a serious defense. Recall their inability to do anything about Bosnia-Herzegovina without the United States. The same will happen if they're externally threatened.
Germans would die to defend Germany and the Italians Italy, but who wants to throw his life away defending the rights and priveleges of a bunch of Euro-bureaucrats?
“This winter, 27 nations of the European Union (EU) signed the Treaty of Lisbon”
therefore :
Europe = Lisbon
Europeans + Lisbeons
The 27 member nations that belong to the European Union.
Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom
Dany Kaye [imitating Hitler in a movie]: “There vill alvays be an England. But they’ll be driving Volkswagens!”.
“Maybe as a whole they’ll get their Sh!t together?”
sarcasm?? i hope
Key now is this ratification process, although it is clear that the drumbeat will continue regardless. Look, for example, on how the EU constitution has marched on despite its clear rejection at the hands of the French electorate. Silly people - they actually thought it was up to them. It isn't.
it’s not about “empire”
failing to understand the importance of britain’s national sovereignty, you like fail to see the value of our own
it’s not about “empire”
other than a bunch of european socialists trying to create a new one
Why *should* Britain occupy any more lofty a position in the grand schema of things than say Poland or even Kazakhstan?
Shakespeare
The Magna Carta
Churchill
Wilberforce and the eradication of the international slave trade
The steam engine and the industrial revolution
:)
Ping - need some Brit opinions here. I couldn’t think of any others, but maybe you can.
The EU isnt a nation. Its a supra-national entity, existing on an entirely different plane of social discourse to what has gone before it in the whole of human history. The EU is a 27 nation bloc, and quite rightly each of these countries gets their own seat on the general assembly. That France and the UK each has a respective seat on the security council shows where the power bases were when the UN was created after WWII.
Adam Smith
nice bit of obvious propaganda! you dont expect these educated peeps on FR to fall for it do you????
Let’s see - 7 HEAD, 10 Horn, 10 Crown:
Austria - Horn
Belgium - Horn
Bulgaria - Crown
Cyprus - Crown
Czech Republic - Crown
Denmark - Horn
Estonia - Crown
Finland - Horn
France - HEAD
Germany - HEAD
Greece - Horn
Hungary - Horn
Ireland - Horn
Italy - HEAD
Latvia - Crown
Lithuania - Crown
Luxembourg - Crown
Malta - Crown
Netherlands - Horn
Poland - HEAD
Portugal - HEAD
Romania - Horn
Slovakia - Crown
Slovenia - Crown
Spain - HEAD
Sweden - Horn
United Kingdom - HEAD
Uh oh.
Because Britain gave life to all the English speaking colonies. Because Britain saved democracy during 1940. Because of our long scientific, cultural, political, literary and technological history.
Because, with the greatest respect, comparing the UK to Poland or Kazakhstan is an insult. We are wealthy, we have a more stable government, we have no recent history of revolution or civil war.
And because we have enough nukes to destroy any nation on the planet.
Unlike Spain or Turkey, we have embraced the post colonial world and are at the forefront of politics. We in the UK dont wax lyrical of the days of empire. Its you boys that do that, as though you’re trying to justify having one of your own.
Get facts right, before speaking ok?
absolute nonsense. get off your high horse sunshine
Then, to follow up on your remark about Tony Blair setting his country down the path it finds itself on...I feel we could say the same thing about President Bush. I voted for the man twice, but over the past several years, his attitude about ignoring the leaky borders, kissing up to Mexico, the so called “North American Treaty”....plans for the super highway, ignoring the gas situation,the out of control spending of the Republican Congress, not vetoing crap bills that came across his desk, and most of all, in my opinion, the ease with which he runs over the Constitution of the United States...I will add, Congress seems to have no trouble doing that also...our rights,the very Sovereignty of our Nation. I'm not saying he alone could have changed some of-this stuff, but a lot of it rests at his feet...he could have done a whole heck of a lot better at watching out for the interests of America. It's fine and dandy to want to “spread freedom to all the other countries”,but his first priority should have been to concentrate on our problems here at home.
And before anyone jumps on me about his responding to terrorism , the war etc...he had my backing going into that war, but when I could see how he kept dragging his feet on the illegal mess, wanting amnesty etc., the less sense and the more hypocritical it seemed for us to be waging war in Iraq, yet totally ignoring the open borders, the invasion, mainly from the South, and ignoring the astronomical cost those illegals cause our schools, hospitals, social services....he either doesn't live in the real world or he doesn't give a da**.
Cant work FRiend. No US state is a country in its own right (indeed is prevented from being so by the US constitution), and as such is ineligible for any considerations of general assembly seats. Want more seats, then some of the US states are going to have to secede, but then, they wont be US seats will they?????
It is ironic that nations like Poland and Ireland, oppressed for centuries by foreign powers, are willing to surrender their hard won independence to a supranational state.
Oh Brittania, what has become of you? From days of old, in Britain’s triumph now to this?
Shakespeare’s Henry V:
(Enter the King)
Westmoreland: O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!
KING: What’s he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark’d to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
...Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
that fears his fellowship to die with us.....
WE FEW, WE HAPPY FEW, WE BAND OF BROTHERS;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’re so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And HOLD THEIR MANHOODS CHEAP WHILES ANY SPEAKS
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.
Farewell, Henry and farewell Shakespeare. I hope your ancestors wash their lips after they kiss the boots of their enemies.
It’s an old propaganda piece... I think it’s from the Maastricht treaty.
As far as “falling for it”, well, I assume everyone will come to their own conclusions as critically thinking individuals, and if they don’t, that’s their own fault.
I don’t think the EU is equivalent to the Nazis... whether they are similar to the Soviets is as yet unestablished. But the key idea is the dissolution of national identity and self-determination in a Faustian bargain with the superpower of the day, and I think that remains relevant.
“with its capital in Brussels.” And Brussels, my friends, has a Moslem mayor. Europe? Fuggedaboudit.
“The shape of things to come for us?”
EU or no, Britian was already flying apart. First, the Irish part of the United Kingdom went many years ago. Now, Scotland has a independent parliment that is looking to stage a referendrum on staying in the kingdom. That leaves England and Wales as the UK.
“failing to understand the importance of britain’s national sovereignty, you like fail to see the value of our own.”
Your post is ironic to say the least. The essence of sovereignty is being able to determine your own national destiny. If Britain wishes to fade into obscurity, as it appears it does, then that is *their* choice to make. I think it’s a dumb choice, but it’s *their* choice.
I’m an American. Britain isn’t my country. As such, I don’t see it as my place to play the UN-EU internationalist and determine oh-so-wisely what another country should or should not do when that choice has little direct impact on my own country.
Good golly, Miss Molly... I’m standing right with you on this one!
“If the British Empire is done, then the British Museum should send the looted artifacts back to their countries of origin.”
That’s between Britain and the other countries in question.
“It was smart of Tony Blair to convert to Catholicism. He’s going to need to make one hell of a confessions if he hopes to get to heaven: killing a nation is surely a mortal sin.”
Ole’ Citizen Blair is just filling in his resume for a prospective future job after his Quartet gig is over.
“I’ll be president of Europe if you give me the power-Blair”
Former PM consults old Downing Street allies on campaign for new EU role 2/2/08
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/tonyblair/story/0,,2251169,00.html
London has a proto-Communist mayor, as well.
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