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The Case for an Obama-Clinton Ticket
The New York Observer ^ | March 24, 2008 | Steve Kornacki

Posted on 03/24/2008 4:47:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe, just maybe, it’s now worth at least asking whether Hillary Clinton might wind up as the Democratic candidate for vice president.

When the chatter about a Democratic “dream ticket” began last year, it was easy to dismiss. Either Clinton or Obama would win a clear victory in the primaries and, after what inevitably would be a contentious campaign, each would want as little to do with the other as possible.

Clinton, if she emerged victorious, would instead choose some kind of national security graybeard to her political right, a retired general perhaps, or maybe even a Republican. Likewise, Obama as the presidential nominee, with his future-versus-past emphasis, would recoil at the notion of adding to his ticket a woman who serves as one of the preeminent political and cultural icons of the 1990's.

More recently, Clinton herself actively stoked the speculation, teasing audiences with talk of a Clinton-led dream ticket. It was, of course, a transparent ploy to undermine Obama’s front-running campaign, but it did raise a practical point: Like it or not, Clinton would probably have no choice but to offer, at least, the vice presidency to Obama if she were to win the nomination, since she’d pretty much have to tear the party apart to secure the top spot. A dramatic outreach to Obama would be a pragmatic necessity.

That’s looking unlikely to matter now. When the primary season ends in early June, Clinton will trail in pledged delegates and almost certainly in popular votes, and it grows clearer by the day that the remaining uncommitted superdelegates will not move as to overrule the primary electorate and hand the nomination to Clinton anyway.

If Obama is the nominee, there’s certainly no reason to think that Obama would want to include her on his ticket, given the hard personal feelings that their nomination battle has generated. Plus, her presence —and the presence of her husband—would threaten to overshadow Obama during the fall campaign. Obama has spent more than a year urging voters to “turn the page” and to move beyond the Clintons and their comfort-food appeal. Wouldn’t it undermine his own message to add Clinton to his ticket?

The problem is that Obama, even though he is the near-certain Democratic nominee, is on pace to win by the smallest margin in the modern era. He will probably beat Clinton by around 125 pledged delegates (out of about 3,200 awarded) and perhaps 500,000 votes (out of about 30 million cast).

Moreover, it seems likely that Clinton will win multiple states between now and the end of the primary season, starting with Pennsylvania on April 22, with follow-up victories in West Virginia, Kentucky and Puerto Rico likely as well—and maybe in Indiana and North Carolina, too. The Michigan and Florida issues may go unresolved as well, leaving Clinton to shout—potentially to great effect—that she’d be on the cusp of overtaking Obama if only those two states could have their voices heard.

In that time, Obama should win his share of primaries, too, with victories in Oregon, South Dakota and Montana very likely, and Indiana and North Carolina as strong possibilities. But it doesn’t look like he’s going to win the nomination going away, like past nominees who have faced only nominal opposition in the late primary states (like Bill Clinton beating Jerry Brown in the spring of 1992) en route to clear first-ballot convention victories.

The divisions within the party could be considerable at that point. A nomination-clinching stampede of uncommitted superdelegates to Obama as soon as the primary season ends—perhaps instigated by Nancy Pelosi—seems likely, but that will leave millions of Clinton supporters bitter and resentful, especially if the Florida and Michigan issues are left unresolved.

Another problem for Obama is what seems to be a widening racial divide, both in the Democratic race and in general-election match-ups with John McCain. Clinton’s strengths—and Obama’s struggles—with working-class white voters are well documented, but are taking on a new urgency in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy.

Before, a compelling case could be made that the working-class whites who have been backing Clinton over Obama were embracing Clinton more than they were rejecting Obama—and that the vast majority of them would vote the Democratic line in the fall no matter which candidate emerged as the nominee. Add in Obama’s superiority over Clinton in attracting independents and Republicans and it was easy to argue that he would run as well as—and, in many cases, better than—her in the fall in just about every swing state, even the ones he lost to her in the primaries.

Now, that’s not quite as clear. As the Wright story exploded, Obama’s numbers imploded in polls in Pennsylvania, Kentucky and North Carolina, a clear sign that a new wave of white voters was moving away from him. This damage may prove fleeting; polls in the coming days, which will measure the impact of Obama’s speech on race, should help answer this question.

But the themes that Obama’s opponents pressed in attacking him over Wright are themes that Republicans will return to throughout the fall campaign, trying to scare those same white voters into abandoning Obama and the Democrats for McCain. Obama may well be capable of preventing these defections with his own personality and message, responding to the fall G.O.P. attacks much the way he responded to the Wright controversy with a masterful and well-received speech.

But he could also reassure those skittish white voters simply by having Clinton, with her demonstrated appeal and her perceived experience, by his side on the campaign trail and on the ballot. It’s not that he’d necessarily want her there—and it’s an open question whether she’d even want to be there herself. But both of them may find the pressure from their party is just too much.


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All these liberal pundits tend to downplay or underestimate the damage that Hategate/Wright has done to Obama among whites. Wishful thinking, I suppose.

What "experience" does Hillary Clinton (and of course, Barack Obama) have? Please someone, tell me. Two years ago, Obama was a state senator and Hillary did NOT attend any foreign policy meetings in the Bill Clinton White House (she didn't have a security clearance, for one thing!) Many FReepers, myself included, have MUCH more foreign policy, military and intelligence operations experience than both democrat candidates COMBINED!!

1 posted on 03/24/2008 4:47:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama-Clinton ticket? Yeah, one-way and out of town!


2 posted on 03/24/2008 4:50:04 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This would be double disaster...for them....Esp if McCain chooses a young, dynamic and conservative VP..In fact, never was the VP more important than it is this year...for the repubs...Conservatives are looking for someone....(Not Dan Quayle)...


3 posted on 03/24/2008 4:52:06 PM PDT by nikos1121 (typical white person)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t consider Obama stupid unless he would allow Hil as his VP.
His life expectancy would be zeroIts tough to watch your back 24/7.


4 posted on 03/24/2008 4:52:27 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: NonValueAdded

That would work!

But really, how could these two POSSIBLY team up on a ticket after all the vitriol they’ve hurled against each other? Someone here mentioned the “voodoo economics” statement made prior to the formation of the Reagan/Bush 41 ticket, but Obama and Hillary have gone WAY beyond that.

McCain’s ad people would have a field day using their sound bites against each other.


5 posted on 03/24/2008 4:52:45 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's not about experience, it's about combining two completely un-electable, polarizing, extremest, candidates, who've spent the last nine months bashing each other over the head with vicious attacks and innuendos together on the same ticket to see if they can replicate the smashing defeat that was Mondale Ferraro.
6 posted on 03/24/2008 4:53:58 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

dream ticket?...dream ticket.....wait a minute....dream ticket? for Conservatives?


7 posted on 03/24/2008 4:54:29 PM PDT by Minnesoootan (CHANGE: That's all tax payers will be left with.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
trying to scare those same white voters

wow,I'm still going to think aboot that in the morning

8 posted on 03/24/2008 4:56:32 PM PDT by Minnesoootan (CHANGE: That's all tax payers will be left with.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The article makes a strong case for why Clinton would ask Obama to be her vice president and why Obama would ask Clinton to be his VP but it fails to address the question of why either Clinton or Obama would accept a VP offer from the other.

Will Obama want to be tarnished with the scandals that follow the Clintons? Would Hillary really rather be VP in charge of nothing that be the Senator from NY? I don't think so.

9 posted on 03/24/2008 4:59:26 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Case for an Obama-Clinton Ticket

You mean a way to throw them both at the same time on the trash heap of history forever?
10 posted on 03/24/2008 5:00:59 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure ... the first black and the first woman all on one ticket!

And with three of them on the ticket ... Bill and Hillary and side-kick Obama .... not crowded at all.


11 posted on 03/24/2008 5:02:50 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I doubt Obama has a secret death wish.


12 posted on 03/24/2008 5:03:24 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Hillary was Obama’s VP, Obama would be deader than Vince Foster in a year.


13 posted on 03/24/2008 5:03:47 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But he could also reassure those skittish white voters simply by having Clinton, with her demonstrated appeal and her perceived experience,

Oh please, why not a Mega-Barf Alert?!

14 posted on 03/24/2008 5:06:36 PM PDT by PROCON (Al-Qaeda's Unanimous Choice in 2008, B. Hussein Obama!)
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To: PROCON; All
"Oh please, why not a Mega-Barf Alert?!"

I thought it was implied by the title....

15 posted on 03/24/2008 5:07:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I thought it was implied by the title....

Good Point!! :(

16 posted on 03/24/2008 5:09:48 PM PDT by PROCON (Al-Qaeda's Unanimous Choice in 2008, B. Hussein Obama!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t believe a Obama-Clinton Ticket will happen because Obama knows that it would be the first Tri-Presidency.

BJ Clinton would be a constant embarrassment by speaking out against any Obama policies that he/she did not agree with.


17 posted on 03/24/2008 5:11:46 PM PDT by Hang'emAll (WE WILL NOT DISARM!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How did all of those keywords get onto a thread that is just 20 minutes old?

Did you copy/paste them all?


18 posted on 03/24/2008 5:12:54 PM PDT by Radix (Pardon me for calling a spade a spade.)
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To: Radix

Nope, I’m just one of the world’s greatest two-fingered typists. Used to write reports and briefings for Presidents Carter and Reagan the same way on a MANUAL typewriter.


19 posted on 03/24/2008 5:16:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wet dream.....NEVER going to happen....Obama is smarter than that and I suspect he wants to LIVE.


20 posted on 03/24/2008 5:19:11 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: nikos1121
Conservatives are looking for someone....(Not Dan Quayle)...

J.C. Watts

21 posted on 03/24/2008 5:24:18 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is as much chance that Obama is going to pick Hillary to be his VP as I am going to fly to the moon tonight.
22 posted on 03/24/2008 5:25:25 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: pfflier

I like him alot. I’ve met him.... But being a football player...I’m sure he’s got some skeletons...


23 posted on 03/24/2008 5:26:33 PM PDT by nikos1121 (typical white person)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Very funny, but somebody put those keywords in there in a hurry.

LoL.

24 posted on 03/24/2008 5:29:09 PM PDT by Radix (Pardon me for calling a spade a spade.)
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To: Radix

No, really, other than one or two entered by someone else, I put ALL of them in typing with two fingers. I wouldn’t lie to a fellow FReeper....


25 posted on 03/24/2008 5:30:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

... “it’s now worth at least asking whether Hillary Clinton might wind up as the Democratic candidate for vice president.”

The ‘odd couple’?


26 posted on 03/24/2008 5:45:52 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This race has generated so much bad blood between these two that I doubt they would ever bury the hatchet to run on the same ticket. Klinton, either for President or Veep, would still help to galvanize conservatives. We simply will not stand for another Klinton in the WH.


27 posted on 03/24/2008 5:51:51 PM PDT by infantrywhooah
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I can't imagine the Hildebeast's sense of entitlement allowing her to play second fiddle.

In addition, this time around is her shot. If McCain or Hussein wins in 2008, the odds are against her winning the presidency in 2012, particularly if Hussein wins in 2008, and her next good shot would be in 2016, when she'd be nearly 70.

Furthermore, Hussein is smart enough to know that she'd be scheming against him or getting his administration entangled in all sorts of scandals he couldn't control

28 posted on 03/24/2008 5:57:15 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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I have been wondering about him! He sure dropped off the screen. I figure somebody has something big and bad on him.

Damn it, I sure hope not, because I think he’s great and would be just what the Republicans need to breathe some life into the party. This would be a good year to make a comeback.


29 posted on 03/24/2008 6:00:24 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: nikos1121

He played for OU (Oklahoma). I’m sure the dims can find Anita Hill to smear him.


30 posted on 03/24/2008 6:26:25 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please, please, please, please, please, please,
PULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE do it, please do it!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 03/25/2008 5:23:06 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Obama-Clinton ticket? Yeah, one-way and out of town!

There ain't enough life insurance in the whole world for me to put Hillary Clinton in a position to benefit if I was to meet my reward. Way too many folks close to the Clintons don't survive the relationship. I don't believe that Obama would be stupid enough to put himself in that position.

32 posted on 03/25/2008 5:23:32 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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