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Egyptian killed, two hurt by US warship-(Breaking)
news ^ | 3/25/08 | From correspondents in Cairo

Posted on 03/24/2008 6:08:16 PM PDT by Flavius

ONE Egyptian was killed and two wounded when a US military ship about to cross the Suez Canal opened fire on barges of hawkers that approached their boat today, a security source said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anchorsaweigh; cargoship; egypt; globalpatriot; maritime; navy; suezcanal; turkey; usn; usnavy
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1 posted on 03/24/2008 6:08:17 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Keep away from our ships.


2 posted on 03/24/2008 6:10:29 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Flavius

Can’t take any chances. That barge could have had explosives.


3 posted on 03/24/2008 6:11:14 PM PDT by rbosque ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Flavius

After the U.S.S. Cole bombing, they’d be fools NOT to shoot at a small boat that comes too near!


4 posted on 03/24/2008 6:11:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: Flavius
Only one ?    If a true security breach, troubling.

More range time needed.

5 posted on 03/24/2008 6:12:10 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Flavius

Those muzzies apparently never read the news, or have very short memories ...


6 posted on 03/24/2008 6:12:10 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Flavius
TRUST NO ONE.

Good job, guys.

7 posted on 03/24/2008 6:12:11 PM PDT by NordP (Yeah...Clinton didn't inhale and Obama didn't know 'nothin' 'bout Rev Wright bein' wrong)
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To: Flavius

Should have stopped. We cant afford to screw around with that kind of stuff.


8 posted on 03/24/2008 6:12:30 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Flavius

Bout time...

The only unfortunate thing is that someone’s Naval career is over. Watch how fast they throw this poor guy under the bus.

I would like to be the first to apologize on behalf of a greatful nation.

Semper Fi Sir,
NYleatherneck


9 posted on 03/24/2008 6:14:03 PM PDT by NYleatherneck (It ain't a World War until the French surrender.)
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To: Flavius
The 'warship' in question:


10 posted on 03/24/2008 6:16:47 PM PDT by jjw
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To: Flavius

Good. I’m sick of reading stories about admirals who set rules of engagement so Chinese subs, Russian bombers, and Iranian patrol boats can get within range of our fleets without anything being done to stop them.

That is just asking for another disaster. Next time it could be much worse than the Cole.


11 posted on 03/24/2008 6:17:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Flavius; All

Foxnews is reporting that this is a civillian cargo ship. The Co. is out of NY & so far they have no info & same for the Military guy[s] out in the area.


12 posted on 03/24/2008 6:18:46 PM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth Rebel by choice, MARINE by act of GOD!)
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To: jjw; All

good catch

Last Updated: Tuesday, 25 March 2008, 00:49 GMT
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US vessel ‘shoots at Suez boat’
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A US container ship approaching the Suez Canal has opened fire on a small Egyptian motorboat, killing one man and wounding two others, reports say.

The Global Patriot, carrying used US military equipment, was in the Gulf of Suez when it was approached by a motorboat selling local merchandise.

Its crew fired after the boat failed to stop when asked, Egyptian sources say.

As many as 100 other local vessels are said to have gathered at the scene, carrying hawkers demanding an inquiry.

Some 7.5% of world sea trade passes through the Suez Canal, which is 190km long (118 miles) and 120m wide (395ft) at its narrowest point.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7311992.stm


13 posted on 03/24/2008 6:19:17 PM PDT by Flavius (war gives peace its security)
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To: Flavius
This was a cargo ship, under a U.S. flag, carrying military equipment the Persian Gulf region back to the U.S.. This was not a U.S. Navy war ship ... the liberal media is hyping this story up ... to go along with their 4000 causalities in Iraq story.
14 posted on 03/24/2008 6:19:41 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Flavius

Sounds like the captain deserves a promotion.


15 posted on 03/24/2008 6:20:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Flavius

save for darwin award list


16 posted on 03/24/2008 6:20:33 PM PDT by beebuster2000 (choice is not not peace or war, but small war now, or big war later masquerading as peace now.)
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To: Flavius

wow


17 posted on 03/24/2008 6:20:57 PM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: Flavius

Not a U. S. “warship;” a commercial vessel, reportedly hauling military materials, probably returning war materiel to Uncle Sugar.


18 posted on 03/24/2008 6:22:16 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: BluH2o
What kind of Armament would this ship have?
19 posted on 03/24/2008 6:22:29 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Spitzer .."Yes I Can" !!!!!!)
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To: jjw

Look how high up the side of the ship is! Probably 30 feet, at least. No way you could do business with someone in that ship from a speedboat.


20 posted on 03/24/2008 6:23:58 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: cmsgop

Small arms only, probably not even .50 cal.


21 posted on 03/24/2008 6:26:27 PM PDT by piytar
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To: DrGunsforHands
Look how high up the side of the ship is! Probably 30 feet, at least. No way you could do business with someone in that ship from a speedboat.

Exactly. And you know that even if there were secondaries from the approaching boat, the MSM would not report it...

22 posted on 03/24/2008 6:27:41 PM PDT by piytar
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To: DrGunsforHands

Don’t mess with the Merchant Marine


23 posted on 03/24/2008 6:28:45 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rome2000

24 posted on 03/24/2008 6:31:13 PM PDT by Flavius (war gives peace its security)
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To: piytar

Found out a couple of things...

1. Ship may be under contract to USN..

2. If so and she’s transporting supplies for a unit deployed, then she’ll have armed supercargo aboard babysitting the cargo. Why? See point 3.

3. Other main threat besides terrorists are simple piracy..no, not the RPG/take over the ship kind like further south, more like the steal aboard and swipe whatever isn’t nailed down kind.


25 posted on 03/24/2008 6:31:55 PM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: Flavius
Its crew fired after the boat failed to stop when asked, Egyptian sources say.

Its crew followed proper protocol. An approaching motorboat is not going to sell wares to a merchant vessel.

At best, they are testing defenses for the next terrorist or pirate attack.

At worst, they are terrorists or pirates. Terrorists deserve to be blown out of the water. Pirates deserve to climb the king's rope. Those probing for either group deserve to be dispatched in the manner most convenient for their target.

Pay our boys bounty and buy them more bullets.

26 posted on 03/24/2008 6:35:02 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: Flavius

The WARSHIP in question is a privately owned cargo ship that I have seen loading wheat in Portland several times in the last few years.


27 posted on 03/24/2008 6:35:12 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: Vigilanteman
An approaching motorboat is not going to sell wares to a merchant vessel.

Umm....they do so all the time.

28 posted on 03/24/2008 6:39:04 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Braak
If so and she’s transporting supplies for a unit deployed, then she’ll have armed supercargo aboard babysitting the cargo.

There was a CPO on my last ship who did this for a while (armed guard mobile detachment on USNS and MSC charter ships in Fifth Fleet area). I've been wracking my brain to remember what they were called but I can't.

29 posted on 03/24/2008 6:49:27 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.)
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To: prairiebreeze

marking


30 posted on 03/24/2008 6:51:06 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Too blessed to be stressed.)
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To: DrGunsforHands
The photo is misleading. In that pic the ship is empty and riding very high above the usual waterline. You can tell easily by the shape of the bow and the red-lead primer on the portion of the hull that is usually submerged.

Fully laden, the ship would be a lot lower. How far? Anywhere from 3 to 5 meters. Easily scalable by accommodation ladders or even hand-over-hand by rope.

31 posted on 03/24/2008 6:52:57 PM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Flavius
Inside the Navy reports that Military Sealift Command will charter a ship to carry MRAPs to Iraq from South Africa, the MV Global Patriot, owned by Global Container Lines. This continues the efforts of MSC to get as many MRAPs to Iraq as quickly as possible.
32 posted on 03/24/2008 7:01:34 PM PDT by DelaWhere (I was with Fred! Then Mitt. Geesh, would have even gone with Huck - OK, now for 4th choice...Hi McC)
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To: DrGunsforHands

As a sailor who plied those waters and most of the rest, I feel safe saying that you sell sailors and hawkers short in the ingenuity department...


33 posted on 03/24/2008 7:06:31 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Elsiejay

My brother was third Mate on a non-military Shipping Vessel during the Gulf War. Their cargo: warheads. They sat for more than 30 days waiting for a signal. It never came. The war was over.


34 posted on 03/24/2008 7:08:01 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Elsiejay
Egyptian killed by US military ship: security source

03-24-2008, 22h44
ISMAILIYA, Egypt (AFP)

A US military ship about to cross the Suez Canal opened fire Monday on barges of hawkers that approached their boat, killing one Egyptian and wounding two others, a security source said.

The ship, Global Patriot, had arrived from the Red Sea and was waiting in the Gulf of Suez to sail to the Mediterranean when a group of Egyptians seeking to sell merchandise approached the boat on small barges, the source said.

Americans on board told the barges to stop and opened fire when they continued to approach.

Several of the small barges that usually ply their trade in small goods on the canal gathered in protest immediately after the shooting but then dispersed, leaving the Suez waterway clear for traffic.

According to the website of the US Navy's Military Sealift Command, the MV Global Patriot is a roll-on roll-off transport ship chartered from Global Container Lines.

The security source said that the ship was expected to cross the Suez Canal as planned at 6:00 am (0300 GMT) on Tuesday.

35 posted on 03/24/2008 7:10:36 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: jjw

WOW!!! That must be one of the new “fast attack” cargo ships!!!


36 posted on 03/24/2008 7:13:39 PM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: quikdrw

You can always go and check out the Liberty Ship SS Stephen Hopkins


37 posted on 03/24/2008 7:26:23 PM PDT by nomorelurker (keep flogging them till morale improves)
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To: Ronin

High and dry or fully laden - how to tell?

The purpose of a load line is to ensure that a ship has sufficient freeboard and thus sufficient reserve buoyancy. The freeboard on commercial vessels is measured between the uppermost continuous deck and the waterline and this must not be less than the freeboard marked on the Load Line Certificate issued to that ship.

All commercial ships, other than in exceptional circumstances,[1] have a load line symbol painted amidships on each side of the ship and this symbol must also be permanently marked so that if the paint wears off it can still be seen. The load line makes it easy for anyone to see whether a ship has been overloaded. The exact location of the Load Line is calculated and/or verified by a Classification Society and that society issues the relevant certificates.

This symbol, also called an international load line or *Plimsoll line*, indicates the maximum safe draft, and therefore the minimum freeboard for the vessel in various operating conditions.

Just for fun, when you all go ship watching.


38 posted on 03/24/2008 7:57:07 PM PDT by ASOC (I know I don't look like much, but I raised a US Marine!)
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To: ExpatGator

But is it really a normal practice for little boats carrying “hawkers” to make unannounced, uninvited approaches to large cargo vessels? AND decline to turn around when someone aboard the large vessel tells them to (presumably by some means that would be understood by people who habitually drive little boats around huge carge vessles)?


39 posted on 03/24/2008 8:10:28 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Flavius

Remember the Cole.


40 posted on 03/24/2008 8:23:28 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Ken522
Those muzzies apparently never read the news, or have very short memories ...

This would never have made headlines if these Muzzies were on an African Safari and had run out into the savanna to say hi to a pride of lions.

41 posted on 03/24/2008 8:28:25 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: jjw

Looks like a cargo ship to me.


42 posted on 03/24/2008 8:30:28 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: ASOC

With that statement sir, you have passed your Coast Guard exam. That was as if it came right out of the book.

Have been up and down that canal once or twice and have always been required to have civilian “guides” on board.


43 posted on 03/24/2008 9:16:18 PM PDT by abseaman (The future is just your imagination reincarnaterd.)
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To: Sacajaweau

That must have been a stressful time for your brother to be sitting on such a cargo without any clear indication of when they’d offload. What was security like on the vessel for those 30 days? Must have been pretty damned tight.


44 posted on 03/24/2008 9:27:25 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: Buddy B

I assume this ship had a civilian crew, including the shooters.


45 posted on 03/24/2008 9:47:57 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Flavius
Good call...

They had no choice because the ship was in immediate potential peril.

No choice at all and it amazes me that these idiot hawkers would even attempt something like that unless one of the boats had a ulterior motive in mind and encouraged the rest for cover..

46 posted on 03/24/2008 9:54:07 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: abseaman

LOL Can’t have you drag racing thru the canal....


47 posted on 03/24/2008 10:10:03 PM PDT by ASOC (I know I don't look like much, but I raised a US Marine!)
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To: Vigilanteman

“...failed to stop when asked”; sounds like a souped up version of Suicide by Cop...


48 posted on 03/24/2008 10:50:58 PM PDT by Codename - Ron Benjamin (Pre-emptive, multi-tasking, interrupt control)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Besides the other small boat harassment - not sure I remember where it took place - but I remember seeing the video .. and this is probably why they weren’t taking any chances.

Good for them ..!!


49 posted on 03/24/2008 10:53:58 PM PDT by CyberAnt (AMERICA: The greatest nation on the face of the earth.)
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To: CyberAnt

These “hawkers” could have all been innocent — but simply undisciplined and contemptuous of the order to “STOP”...

From time to time - ENFORCEMENT of a “no violate zone” around a ship’s perimeter is probably necessary and prudent...

Word WILL get out, after a few corpses are produced - that it is wise to STOP when so ordered by ANY American ship.....
We are NOT required to be floating ducks for Islamists to attack....


50 posted on 03/24/2008 11:29:45 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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