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Vast Antarctic Ice Shelf on Verge of Collapse (Wilkins Ice Shelf)
LiveScience.com on Yahoo ^ | 3/25/08 | Andrea Thompson

Posted on 03/25/2008 11:02:27 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

A vast ice shelf hanging on by a thin strip looks to be the next chunk to break off from the Antarctic Peninsula, the latest sign of global warming's impact on Earth's southernmost continent.

Scientists are shocked by the rapid change of events.

Glaciologist Ted Scambos of the University of Colorado was monitoring satellite images of the Wilkins Ice Shelf and spotted a huge iceberg measuring 25 miles by 1.5 miles (41 kilometers by 2.5 kilometers - about 10 times the area of Manhattan) that appeared to have broken away from the shelf.

Scambos alerted colleagues at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that it looked like the entire ice shelf - about 6,180 square miles (16,000 square kilometers - about the size of Northern Ireland)- was at risk of collapsing.

David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate.

"Wilkins is the largest ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula yet to be threatened," he said. "I didn't expect to see things happen this quickly. The ice shelf is hanging by a thread - we'll know in the next few days and weeks what its fate will be."

Aircraft reconnaissance

The BAS scientists sent an aircraft out on a reconnaissance mission to survey the extent of damage to the ice shelf.

Jim Elliot, who captured video of the breakout said, "I've never seen anything like this before - it was awesome. We flew along the main crack and observed the sheer scale of movement from the breakage. Big hefty chunks of ice, the size of small houses, look as though they've been thrown around like rubble - it's like an explosion."

An initial iceberg calved away from the Wilkins Ice Shelf on Feb. 28. A series of images shows the edge of the ice shelf proceeding to crumble and disintegrate in a pattern characteristic of climate-caused ice shelf retreats throughout the northern Antarctic Peninsula. The disintegration left a sky-blue patch of hundreds of large blocks of exposed old glacier ice floating across the ocean surface.

By March 8, the ice shelf had lost just over 220 square miles (570 square kilometers) of ice, and the disintegrated ice had spread over 540 square miles (1,400 square kilometers). As of mid-March only a narrow strip of shelf ice between Charcot and Latady islands was protecting several thousand more kilometers of the ice shelf from potentially breaking up.

The region where the Wilkins Ice Shelf lies has experienced unprecedented warming in the past 50 years, with several ice shelves retreating in the past 30 years. Six of these ice shelves have collapsed completely: Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and the Jones Ice Shelf.

Antarctic warming

The Wilkins Ice Shelf was stable for most of the last century until it began retreating in the 1990s. A previous major breakout occurred there in 1998 when 390 square miles (1,000 square kilometers) of ice was lost in just a few months.

"We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up," Scambos said.

The Antarctic Peninsula has warmed faster than anywhere else in the Southern Hemisphere; temperature records show that the region has warmed by nearly 3 degrees Celsius during the past 50 years - several times the global average and only matched in Alaska.

Other parts of Antarctica, including the East Antarctic Ice Sheet, seem to be more stable, though areas of melt have been observed in recent years.

Melting in the Antarctic is different than the recent record melt in the Arctic. Antarctica is composed of ice sheets, or huge masses of ice up to 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) thick that lie on top of bedrock and flow toward the coast, and ice shelves, the floating extensions of ice sheets. Arctic ice is primarily sea ice, some of which persists year-round and some of which melts in the summer and freezes again in the winter.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; antarctic; climatechange; collapse; glaciology; globalwarming; gorebullwarning; hoax; ice; iceshelf; junkscience; melting; scambos; verge; wilkins
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1 posted on 03/25/2008 11:02:28 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Norm - why post twice?


2 posted on 03/25/2008 11:04:27 AM PDT by edcoil (Go Great in 08 ... Slide into 09)
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The region where the Wilkins Ice Shelf lies has experienced unprecedented warming in the past 50 years, with several ice shelves retreating in the past 30 years. Six of these ice shelves have collapsed completely: Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and the Jones Ice Shelf.


3 posted on 03/25/2008 11:04:27 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
Scambos alerted colleagues at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that it looked like the entire ice shelf - about 6,180 square miles (16,000 square kilometers - about the size of Northern Ireland)- was at risk of collapsing.

Let's just wait and see whether the sea levels rise and swamp the world's coastal cities. Otherwise, these reports are pure bunk.

4 posted on 03/25/2008 11:05:00 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: NormsRevenge

Meanwhile, other parts of Antarctica’s ice sheets are thickening.


5 posted on 03/25/2008 11:06:13 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: NormsRevenge

When the water up there gets to bathtub temperature then let me know....I’ll call my travel agent.


6 posted on 03/25/2008 11:06:15 AM PDT by politicket
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To: NormsRevenge; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; Delacon; ...
 


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7 posted on 03/25/2008 11:06:25 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: NormsRevenge
I wouldn't get my socks it a twitter over this. The largest Antarctic iceberg ever spotted was by the USS Glacier in 1955. It was twice the size of the state of Connecticut.
8 posted on 03/25/2008 11:06:46 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: edcoil

Im whacking the first one, beats me what happened, mouce button bounce?


9 posted on 03/25/2008 11:06:58 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh, No! Not Again!


10 posted on 03/25/2008 11:06:58 AM PDT by SmithL (Reject Obama's Half-Vast Wright-Wing Conspiracy)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ooh! I wanna see! I wanna see!


11 posted on 03/25/2008 11:07:53 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: NormsRevenge
A vast ice shelf hanging on by a thin strip looks to be the next chunk to break off from the Antarctic Peninsula

Relax. It's just Ted Kennedy stocking up on ice for his next party.

12 posted on 03/25/2008 11:08:25 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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A map of the Antarctic Peninsula with the location of the the Wilkins Ice Sheet,
which is on the southern portion of the peninsula.
Credit: British Antarctic Survey

13 posted on 03/25/2008 11:08:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Im whacking the first one, beats me what happened, mouce button bounce?”

I’ve noticed sometimes posts go through twice...especially when the server seems to hang.


14 posted on 03/25/2008 11:08:48 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: NormsRevenge

Save the Polar Bears!.............oh, wait, they ain’t no polar bears there!........Then it’s okay.....


15 posted on 03/25/2008 11:08:49 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s not you mouse, it’s you .....


16 posted on 03/25/2008 11:09:22 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: McKayopectate

17 posted on 03/25/2008 11:10:11 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

If I let the ice melt completely in my Jack & Coke, the level goes down .( without drinking)


18 posted on 03/25/2008 11:10:16 AM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: NormsRevenge

I am still upset about the lose of that melting glacier which covered most of the midwest 15,000 years ago.


19 posted on 03/25/2008 11:10:17 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: NormsRevenge

IBBF.


20 posted on 03/25/2008 11:10:26 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: NormsRevenge

If they tow this sucker to the north pole the Polar bears will have somewhere to rest.......


21 posted on 03/25/2008 11:10:59 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Slapshot68
Meanwhile, other parts of Antarctica’s ice sheets are thickening.

"And Leon's getting laaaarger!!"

22 posted on 03/25/2008 11:11:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: NormsRevenge
ice shelf proceeding to crumble and disintegrate in a pattern characteristic of climate-caused ice shelf retreats"

Well then it must be global warming if it's retreating in a manner "characteristic of climate-caused ice shelf retreats". Otherwise, it'd be retreating in a manner of normal ice shelf retreats. /s

23 posted on 03/25/2008 11:11:29 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: NormsRevenge
The ice shelf is hanging by a thread - we'll know in the next few days and weeks what its fate will be."

I know I will be on pins and needles. /s

24 posted on 03/25/2008 11:12:14 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: NormsRevenge

We’re all going to die?


25 posted on 03/25/2008 11:12:22 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: NormsRevenge
I thought that you were talking about my ex, she was the Wilkins Ice Shelf!
26 posted on 03/25/2008 11:13:32 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: NormsRevenge

Those shelves have probably never been a constant size for more than a century or two for the entire history of the earth.

Who knows what the size of them were 300 years ago, a mere eye blink in the life of this planet? We have no real idea of how fast they ebb and wain over extended periods of time, yet it is written and taken as gospel that we are the cause of this and not the sun.


27 posted on 03/25/2008 11:13:45 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Glaciologist Ted Scambos of the University of Colorado was monitoring satellite images of the Wilkins Ice Shelf and spotted a huge iceberg measuring 25 miles by 1.5 miles (41 kilometers by 2.5 kilometers - about 10 times the area of Manhattan) that appeared to have broken away from the shelf.”

Quick! Tow it it a place that needs fresh water!


28 posted on 03/25/2008 11:14:03 AM PDT by dsc
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To: NormsRevenge

29 posted on 03/25/2008 11:15:04 AM PDT by sono (Barack Obama's chickens are coming home to roost.)
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To: dsc

Quick! Tow it it a place that needs fresh water!.......like Colorado......


30 posted on 03/25/2008 11:16:02 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Always Right

“I am still upset about the lose of that melting glacier which covered most of the midwest 15,000 years ago.”

Me too! I think we should petition congress for compensation. Or, at least, an apology!


31 posted on 03/25/2008 11:16:04 AM PDT by guppas (Kick their ass -- Take their gas!)
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To: guppas

Saber Tooth’s lied - Wooly Mammoths died.


32 posted on 03/25/2008 11:19:17 AM PDT by sono (Barack Obama's chickens are coming home to roost.)
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To: guppas

Personally, I blame the Indians. They were the only ones around, and all those smoke signals had to contribute to higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.


33 posted on 03/25/2008 11:19:24 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wasn’t that photo debunked in an article posted yesterday?


34 posted on 03/25/2008 11:19:35 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: NormsRevenge

From the article:

“We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up,” Scambos said.

So, did we have more global warming a few hundred years ago, AFTER which the Wilkins formed?


35 posted on 03/25/2008 11:20:42 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Let's win Congress - the Presidency is lost!)
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To: Red Badger

“Quick! Tow it it a place that needs fresh water!.......like Colorado......”

Eck-chually, I had a coastal area in mind.

Now that you mention it, though, I wonder what the economics would be of mooring the ice, building a small pipeline (with few of the safety features needed for a petroleum pipeline), then putting a pumping station on the ice.


36 posted on 03/25/2008 11:21:18 AM PDT by dsc
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To: rightinthemiddle

Wasn’t that photo debunked in an article posted yesterday?

don’t know, first I had seen anything about this today.. link it up, Thx!


37 posted on 03/25/2008 11:22:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
Scientists Discover Undersea Volcano Off Antarctica

ScienceDaily (May 31, 2004) — ARLINGTON, Va. -- Scientists working in the stormy and inhospitable waters off the Antarctic Peninsula have found what they believe is an active and previously unknown volcano on the sea bottom.

Highly sensitive temperature probes moving continuously across the bottom of the volcano revealed signs of geothermal heating of seawater.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/040527235943.htm

38 posted on 03/25/2008 11:22:27 AM PDT by avacado (Thomas Sowell: "Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.")
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To: dsc

Looks like they could attach motors to it and drive it somewhere.............


39 posted on 03/25/2008 11:23:09 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: rightinthemiddle

It was either bunked or debunked. Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference.


40 posted on 03/25/2008 11:23:10 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto

Maybe rebunked?

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html

“At left is a screen shot from the Greenpeace web site, from a video which drips with the urgency of stopping the “melting” of the Arctic Ice Pack.

But look closely: Those are shear lines, where the ice has broken, not “melted”. Melting does not occur in particular paths across the ice sheet, except when being zapped by aliens in UFO’s.”


41 posted on 03/25/2008 11:25:05 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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from that neck of the woods, not so long ago..

Images of Wilkins Ice Shelf Breakup
Source: Breakup of the Larsen B Ice Shelf: 15 February 1998 - 18 March 1999

http://nsidc.org/iceshelves/larsenb1999/wilkins.html

and an big file for a sat pic, 2.1MB

http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/new/iceshelves_images.pl


42 posted on 03/25/2008 11:26:57 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Let's just wait and see whether the sea levels rise and swamp the world's coastal cities. Otherwise, these reports are pure bunk.

Huh? This is sea ice. When sea ice melts it obviously has no effect on sea levels. It's already in the ocean. However, sea ice may bottle up glaciers, keeping them on land -- with this shelf out of the way, those glaciers may flow into the ocean, something that would, obviously, raise sea levels.

43 posted on 03/25/2008 11:28:04 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Red Badger
Quick! Tow it it a place that needs fresh water!.......like Colorado......

I don't think there are enough tugboats on the planet to tow an iceberg the size of Northern Ireland.

44 posted on 03/25/2008 11:28:57 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: sono

45 posted on 03/25/2008 11:30:15 AM PDT by Keith (ANY REPUBLICAN in 2008 -- it's about defeating Mrs. Bill Clinton)
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To: NormsRevenge

“By March 8, the ice shelf had lost just over 220 square miles (570 square kilometers) of ice, and the disintegrated ice had spread over 540 square miles (1,400 square kilometers).
The region where the Wilkins Ice Shelf lies has experienced unprecedented warming in the past 50 years, with several ice shelves retreating in the past 30 years. Six of these ice shelves have collapsed completely: Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and the Jones Ice Shelf.”

And yet we continue to live. The cities haven’t flooded, the crops haven’t failed. So what’s the big deal?


46 posted on 03/25/2008 11:30:51 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gravity


47 posted on 03/25/2008 11:32:08 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: dfwgator

And no one’s gettin’ fat except Mama Cass!


48 posted on 03/25/2008 11:35:43 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Alter Kaker

How does sea ice “bottle up” glaciers?

Sea ice is highly unstable and much softer than fresh water ice. In addition to that, there would be nothing to stop a glacier flow from pushing sea borne ice out of it’s way.

What stops most glacier movement is terrain. Mountain ranges are mostly responsible for holding Antarctica’s ice on the continent. There are a few ice flows where there are breaks in the mountainous terrain, so the ice flows to the ocean at those points.


49 posted on 03/25/2008 11:37:50 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....Viva El Presidente! "I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody the same.")
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To: Alter Kaker

HE COULD! ALL BY HISSELF!..........

50 posted on 03/25/2008 11:38:28 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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