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Vanity: My opus on combating vote fraud
Darth

Posted on 03/26/2008 10:35:37 AM PDT by darth

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1 posted on 03/26/2008 10:35:39 AM PDT by darth
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To: darth

I have been providing info on vote fraud for my Fellow Freepers since 1996. Please add your own experiences and wisdom to my post. Thanks.


2 posted on 03/26/2008 10:37:30 AM PDT by darth
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To: darth

two main mwethods to combat voter fraud:

Photo ID
Ink Finger Dip.


3 posted on 03/26/2008 10:38:17 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: darth

Just be prepared for when the number of “actual” votes cast decreases immensely due to voter verification initiatives, one of the parties will present that as evidence of “disenfranchisement”.


4 posted on 03/26/2008 10:39:47 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: darth
Vanity: My opus on combating vote fraud

Man. For a minute there I thought you were quitting Free Republic over vote fraud.

Now that I'm past the strange headline, I'll read your vanity.

5 posted on 03/26/2008 10:43:19 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: darth

Basically, you’re saying, “Be There”.


6 posted on 03/26/2008 10:43:39 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Chance

7 posted on 03/26/2008 10:45:16 AM PDT by evets
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To: camle

Add to the list:

- verifiable paper trail
- multiple independent audits of all elections

It comes with a price tag, but that price is far smaller than the cost of not doing it.


8 posted on 03/26/2008 10:45:30 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: AbeKrieger

We combat democrat propaganda by having solid evidence of vote fraud. For example, I would love to see video of ballot stealing, ballot box tampering, etc. posted on FR. The lamestream newsies can only ignore solid evidence so long.


9 posted on 03/26/2008 10:46:42 AM PDT by darth
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To: Content Provider
It comes with a price tag, but that price is far smaller than the cost of not doing it.

I agree. I would go so far as to say the government should be willing to cover the cost of secure digital/electronic IDs for the purposes of voting. The card should be scanned along with the voter's thumbprint. And voter fraud should be a felony punishable by YEARS in prison. It is akin to sedition, in my view.

10 posted on 03/26/2008 10:52:02 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: darth

Thanks for this post. At the Repub Caucus here in CO, my husband signed up to be an election judge this fall. Hopefully they will call him. I’ll show him these tips.


11 posted on 03/26/2008 10:52:21 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: camle

While I obviously support better election security, we CANNOT wait for our elected officials to legislate reforms. My whole post is about concrete steps we can take now to prevent elections from being stolen.


12 posted on 03/26/2008 10:53:36 AM PDT by darth
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To: darth
For getting real voters out to the polls, a company called "First Tuesday in November" has a Blackberry-based tool (PDF), text version here.
13 posted on 03/26/2008 10:54:30 AM PDT by AZLiberty (Wipe the national hard drive and reinstall the Constitution.)
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To: darth

Great post!


14 posted on 03/26/2008 10:59:49 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Not liking my choices in this election!)
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To: darth
Excellent post and one that needs to be bumped by 2 dozen people every day until election day.

Well done, Darth!
15 posted on 03/26/2008 11:00:44 AM PDT by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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To: darth

One of the most important things we can do is ensure that Democrats are Not Elected to Secretary of State positions. I believe that in every state (there may be a few exceptions) the Secretary of State is responsible for administering and overseeing elections. If Democrats hold these positions, you can be sure voter fraud will occur. ALL Secretaries of State Must Be Republican.


16 posted on 03/26/2008 11:01:10 AM PDT by FFranco
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To: darth

bump


17 posted on 03/26/2008 11:02:40 AM PDT by lowbridge ("I can't wait to see what he stands for." - Susan Sarandon on her support of Barack Obama)
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To: darth
...and a tool that punches large holes at 100 meters

Love it!

18 posted on 03/26/2008 11:03:03 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Responsibility2nd; darth

We’ve had so many opuses that one begins to forget what the word “opus” really means.


19 posted on 03/26/2008 11:06:11 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Still looking for UART at FX1050)
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To: darth

You have some good suggestions. How would you address the absentee ballot fraud? I think that one is going to be more difficult to curtail.


20 posted on 03/26/2008 11:08:59 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Forget "Who is John Galt?" I want to know "Where is Galt's Gulch?")
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To: darth

We’ve known about the fraud and phony votes for decades thanks to people such as yourself. How many elections have actually been recorded for one party and then changed to the other party once fraud was proven?

None that I know of.


21 posted on 03/26/2008 11:11:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( (Give a person a fish .......Teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks)
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To: darth

Bookmarked...


22 posted on 03/26/2008 11:11:52 AM PDT by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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To: FFranco

Here in Texas the most important post is County Tax Assessor Collector. In my county we elected a Republican and he removed over 150,000 dead people and felons from the rolls.


23 posted on 03/26/2008 11:11:54 AM PDT by darth
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To: Hoffer Rand

What type of “absentee ballot fraud” are you referring to? In my post, my emphasis was on identifying phantom voters and getting them off the rolls.


24 posted on 03/26/2008 11:19:32 AM PDT by darth
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To: Content Provider

‘verifiable paper ttrail’? no such thing in a computerized world.

paper ballots, hand counted by all sides.


25 posted on 03/26/2008 11:21:57 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: B4Ranch

When the election tally is announced its usually too late. Hence, my emphasis on actions we can take to PREVENT vote fraud. For example, in the 2000 election I prevented over 100 fraudulent votes out of 850 cast at the precinct where I worked. That’s a significant percentage.


26 posted on 03/26/2008 11:23:05 AM PDT by darth
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To: darth
I'm in Michigan and a few years ago I noticed something I thought odd when I voted.

One of the poll workers was making different marks on the voter lists as she marked those that were given a ballot.

Michigan has no party registrations anymore but they used to.

Some voters were marked with a Hi-lighter all the way across the name and some only half.

I questioned why my name was marked different that several above it and she turned rather pale and said she likes to mark some different.

I then noticed that some that were longtime voters still had the “D” or “R” next to the names and only the “R” had the half mark. The “D” or no letter had the full mark.

I don't know what the reason for sorting out was but it might have been a way to know which ballots to change later?

27 posted on 03/26/2008 11:23:09 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: camle

I could design a device that had the advantages of both without much trouble. Allow the voter to use a touch-screen to register the vote, then print it out and have the voter confirm its veracity then drop it in a secured ballot box. When the voter is finished voting, record the vote locally AND to a remote site which would independently tally the result. Produces both an electronic and a paper record, which would greatly increase the barrier to forgery and fraud.

If the numbers don’t add up from all the different places where it is recorded, immediately secure all physical and electronic evidence and conduct a thorough probe of the actions of all individuals involved.

Increase sentencing to a felony with a minimum of 10 years with no parole for anyone convicted of willful alteration of the results of the vote.


28 posted on 03/26/2008 11:29:00 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: darth

There are several types of absentee fraud. People registered in more than one state, who vote absentee in one, in person in the other. People who register people in nursing homes, then request absentee ballots for them. Even your phantom voters are voting absentee. Since you had such good suggestions for dealing with phantom voters, I was wondering if you had any thoughts about how to curb illegal absentee voting.


29 posted on 03/26/2008 11:29:14 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Forget "Who is John Galt?" I want to know "Where is Galt's Gulch?")
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To: Beagle8U

Any time they start sweating its usually because some kind of scam is going down. For example, here in Texas it is illegal for the precinct workers to let anyone know who has voted and who has not. However, democrat workers often call party workers to let them know who has not voted so that they can send a van to pick the voter up and get them to the polls. Being involved in the process will allow you to understand how fraud can be perpetrated, so once again, get involved.


30 posted on 03/26/2008 11:35:44 AM PDT by darth
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To: Hoffer Rand

A good private eye would have no trouble determining if a voter owns homes in more than one state. It may require Freepers in more than one state to look at the Voter Rolls to determine if the perp is double-registered. Here in Texas we often catch people registered multiple times at relatives’ homes, rental properties, businesses, etc. Just remember that you can have a major impact by exposing such fraud, shining a spotlight on it, and getting the perps off the Voter Rolls.


31 posted on 03/26/2008 11:42:15 AM PDT by darth
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However, democrat workers often call party workers to let them know who has not voted so that they can send a van to pick the voter up and get them to the polls.

They did that in New Orleans when Blanco was trailing at the polls. They seemed competent at getting buses out and about (loaded with free food, drinks and dixie land jazz) when their power was at stake.

Getting the buses out during Katrina wasn't so important. The dead still vote Democrat.

32 posted on 03/26/2008 11:47:48 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: darth

BUMP!


33 posted on 03/26/2008 11:48:49 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: darth

Congratulations


34 posted on 03/26/2008 11:49:58 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( (Give a person a fish .......Teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks)
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To: Content Provider

the progbrammer who makes your device do what you want it to do can control the output. period. anything that can be programmed can be programmed to yield the desired outcome.

I can program this (and I haven’t written a real application in 15 years or so) in a short time, and there is absouutely no way you can catch me.


35 posted on 03/26/2008 11:57:32 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Larry Lucido

FYI, the plural of opus is OPERA.


36 posted on 03/26/2008 12:01:16 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: camle

I am a programmer too. There’s no way you can program past the requirement I put in that the voter inspect his own physical ballot and drop it in a box, and the later check of the physical record results against the electronic results. You would need the full cooperation of most if not all of the election personnel on site, in every district where fraud was to occur.

Even then, you’d have to be one hell of a programmer to do it in a way that wasn’t able to be detected by post facto by pattern analysis.


37 posted on 03/26/2008 12:02:18 PM PDT by Content Provider
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To: FFranco

Thanks. Looks like I’ve been rope-a-dopused!


38 posted on 03/26/2008 12:11:42 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Still looking for UART at FX1050)
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To: FFranco

Maryland is such a socialist state the we do not even HAVE a Secretary of State. We have a totally vetoproof dem legislature, a dem/socialist/crook governor who will not appoint anyone to the SecyState position. Someone is “acting” which means he has no autonomy at all!

Our head of the State Board of Elections is a partisan Democrat whose replacement was refused by our courts, when we briefly had a Republican governor. She has essentially a job for life.

We have a law that makes it very difficult to remove a name from the rolls, even if a family member declares that they are dead, never mind that the name is a phantom.

I have worked as a Chief Judge in every election since 2000 and highly recommend it as a civic duty.


39 posted on 03/26/2008 1:11:34 PM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To prevent vote fraud AND get rid of the current campaign circus that drives most rational and competent people away from even running for office, we need to eliminate the direct popular vote concept. People should vote for a VERY local representative, for a district of a few square blocks max (population 2-300 adults max). That way they’d be voting for someone they can actually get first hand information about, and the candidate can have intelligent, direct discussions with small groups of voters and individual voters. Then have those elected representatives vote for a town/county officials and state legislators/senators. Have state legislators and senators vote for Governor, and for national House of Representatives and Senators. Have Representatives, and with population-based votes, Governors and Senators, elect the President and Vice President.

Nobody would be campaigning to huge masses via soundbites and stupid TV ads (much less spending huge amounts of time and energy raising money to run that sort of campaign). Nobody would be voting for anyone they hadn’t met and talked to in person. At the grass-roots level, nobody would be voting for someone without being able to ascertain what that person is really all about, because they could not only talk to the candidate directly, but also to other people in the immediate area who have worked with candidate, lived next door to the candidate, have kids who go to school with the candidate’s kids, etc. At the higher levels, everyone with a vote could at least have direct conversations with the candidate, and among each other.


40 posted on 03/26/2008 1:35:00 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

This is similar to my thoughts on the matter. One thing this would do is to destroy the idea that the US is a democracy. In fact, until 1913, with passage of the Seventeenth Amendment to the Constitution, Senators were elected by the state legislatures. And of course, the President is not elected by popular vote,

Many years ago, a conservative thinker (and millionaire, whose name I have forgotten) recommended citizens get an extra vote for every million dollars of their net worth. That would give more electoral weight to property holders. In addition, taking an idea from RA Heinlein, I would give one extra vote for each two years of active duty military service. For each of these, I would give a maximum of ten extra votes.

To summarize:
Every citizen gets 1 vote.
A citizen with 20 years active duty military service gets 11 votes.
A citizen with $10 million of net worth gets 11 votes.
A citizen with 20 years active duty military service and $10 million of net worth gets 21 votes.

As you suggest, these would not be direct votes for candidates, but votes for electors who would then elect the office holders.


41 posted on 03/26/2008 2:22:26 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: camle

I have to present SSN information to the driver’s license bureau because of the problem of “deadbeat dads” not paying child support.

Certainly we can require proof of citizenship for those registering to vote.


42 posted on 03/26/2008 2:25:32 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: FFranco

I have a problem with “every citizen gets one vote”. Nobody should get a vote if they’re receiving government handouts of any kind. We urgently need to put an end to people voting themselves goodies from the public treasury, i.e. from other people’s pockets. Trouble is, about 99% of the US population either currently is receiving, or expects to be receive in the future, some kind of government handout.


43 posted on 03/26/2008 2:28:33 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I think you are underestimating the extent of our dependence on the government. Everyone receives benefit from the government, either directly or indirectly.

I live in a western state where a lot of people have the idea they are rugged individualists not dependent on the government. But they grow crops irrigated by government irrigation systems drawing water provided by government dams. Their electricity is provided by government cooperatives. Ranchers have their cattle roaming on government land, while loggers cut trees in government forests. And that’s not even counting the government roads and highways we drive on, the government hospitals we go to when we’re sick or injured, and the government fire, police and ambulance services we depend on.

Let’s face it, our ideas are just utopian dreams that will probably never be implemented.


44 posted on 03/26/2008 2:57:24 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: darth

bookmark


45 posted on 03/26/2008 3:43:54 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: darth; All
1. moral inculcation from childhood.

Problem solved.

46 posted on 03/26/2008 4:01:14 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: FFranco

Well, everyone SHOULD be receiving benefits from the government INdirectly. If it weren’t so, we should completely shut down the government forthwith. But those who are using government to transfer money and/or property from others to themselves shouldn’t have a vote. And yes, that includes a lot of people who don’t think of themselves as living on government/taxpayer handouts, including everyone who has children in public schools without paying the full tab in taxes every year (about $15,000 per child on average, and a lot higher in some areas).


47 posted on 03/27/2008 12:04:26 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: evets

Great movie, and a bump for this thread.


48 posted on 03/27/2008 11:24:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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To: darth

“While I obviously support better election security, we CANNOT wait for our elected officials to legislate reforms. My whole post is about concrete steps we can take now to prevent elections from being stolen.”

So, lets get started, we’ve got enough bodies here. Are the election rolls accessible online? Lets pick a district to start with, maybe someone can load the list into a spreadsheet and do a “sort by address”? We can at least get a head start on tracking phantoms together. Then we can send the list of suspects to someone who can check locally.

Anyone else want to help Freep The Vote?


49 posted on 07/10/2008 10:05:42 AM PDT by Ellendra (Most eco-freaks wouldn't know nature if it bit them on the butt . . . and it often does!)
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To: darth; eaglesnest1; neverdem; Mr. Silverback; votelife; King Nothing; blam; Conspiracy Guy; ...

Great suggestions to act on now and pass on, please! May justice and righteousness prevail.

Also see:
July 10, 2008
The Threat of Non-Citizen Voting
by Hans A. von Spakovsky
http://www.heritage.org/Research/LegalIssues/lm28.cfm


50 posted on 07/11/2008 8:36:48 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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