Posted on 03/26/2008 1:35:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
Kern County supervisors have approved plans to build a corn-powered ethanol plant north of Bakersfield.
The project from Cilion Inc., approved Tuesday night, is slated to generate as many as 55 million gallons of the fuel additive each year.
Environmental justice advocates rallied against the project, saying it would pump out nitrous oxide emissions that would worsen air quality in the polluted San Joaquin Valley.
Planners say the project's value to the community trumps the environmental concerns.
Two weeks ago, Hanford city leaders approved another ethanol plant to be based in Kings County, but agreed to pay a $1 million mitigation fee to the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District.
Finally; proof that the CARB bow wow is political.
“Kern County supervisors”
Suckers.
The envionmentalists are indeed sniffing something if they haven’t ever travelled up I-5 or I-99 and don’t smell the noxious smells of ONION fields during harvest time! NO way could building a plant be of ANY worse damage to the area that already SMELLS!!!
nitrous oxide?
I thought there was something funny about this ethanol scheme...
I dont know about that. Unleaded in Kern County is usually 30 cents a gallon less than L.A.
So the Sierra Club is for ethanol in everyone’s fuel in CA, just make sure it isnt produced here? There are plenty of refineries in the Famoso/Oildale area...I can’t believe it will spew off more junk than those.
>>>But speakers from the Sierra Club and the Center for Race, Poverty and the Environment said the air quality impacts of the project are just too high to be balanced by any benefits from building the plant.
Grease the right palms? ....then they should be making BIODIESEL out of those greasy palms.........
Impossible. Everyone knows ethanol cleans the air. They aren’t fooling me.
I’m mainly referring to the use of corn to produce ethanol. There are other non food products that could used and besides, why are these people still hanging on to a product that STILL has to have subsidies to make it, 20 something years worth of subsidies.
How Ironic. Where was one of our few oil reserves that AL GORE sold off to his Unocal buddies? Elk Hills, Kern County.
The Inconvenient Truth Al Gore Hopes You Forget!
[snip]
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468
[snip]Occidental’s planned drilling of the Elk Hills doesn’t only threaten the memory of the Kitanemuk [Indian tribe}. Environmentalists say a rare species of fox, lizard and the kangaroo rat would also be threatened by Oxy’s plans. A lawsuit has been filed under the Endangered Species Act. But none of that has given pause to Occidental or the politician who helped engineer the sale of the drilling rights to the federally-owned Elk Hills. That politician is Al Gore.
Gore recommended that the Elk Hills be sold as part of his 1995 “Reinventing Government” National Performance Review program. Gore-confidant (and former campaign manager) Tony Cohelo served on the board of directors of the private company hired to assess the sale’s environmental consequences. The sale was a windfall for Oxy. Within weeks of the announced purchase Occidental stock rose ten percent.
That was good news for Gore. Despite controversy over Dick Cheney’s plans to keep stock options if elected, most Americans don’t know that we already have a vice president with oil company stocks. Before the Elk Hills sale, Al Gore controlled between $250,000-$500,000 of Occidental stock (he is executor of a trust that he says goes only to his mother, but will revert to him upon her death). After the sale, Gore began disclosing between $500,000 and $1 million of his significantly more valuable stock.
Nowhere is Al Gore’s environmental hypocrisy more glaring than when it comes to his relationship with Occidental. While on the one hand talking tough about his “big oil” opponents and waxing poetic about indigenous peoples in his 1992 book “Earth in the Balance,” the Elk Hills sale and other deals show that money has always been more important to Al Gore than ideals.
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=elk+hills
well, better than the ragheads getting it
It was sold to Flying J truckstops.
Onion fields are nice. They provide material for burgers, sandwiches, and french onion soup. Ethanol is nasty, at best a questionably viable power source, at worst a multi billion dollar boondoggle (can I get in on this one?). Nah. Have a nice day princess, loved you in Star Wars. Peace.
I found a station in my neighborhood that doesn’t have ethonal in it’s gas. I now get four mpg better mileage in my Scion xB. It went from a steady 28 to 32 in one tank - and has stayed there.
Wasn't that also done illegally - oops. I forgot. There's that "controlling legal authority" thingy
But seriously, it's time for US, the American people to revolt. We could, if we chose, give the Arabs a heads up - and Washington too...by first, limiting our trips - saving up errands to run in one trip instead of running off to town every day.
Two: gas up ONLY in stations that do not use Mideast oil!:
(COPY/PASTE, PRINT, (GIVE SOME TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY) AND EMAIL TO EVERYONE - TELL THEM TO ALSO) Print out the names of the GOOD GUYS and put it in your car.
SUNOCO
CONOCO
SINCLAIR
BP/PHILLIPS
HESS
ARCO
(If you go to SUNOCO.com, you can get a list of your local stations.
the BAD guys
SHELL
CHEVRON/TEXACO
EXXON/MOBIL
AMACO
also
CITGO - Caesar Chavez
Mail this list to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same....we can reach millions that way...within a month.
You really shouldn’t post hoax emails.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1990006/posts?page=36#36
Oxnard has had an ongoing dispute with Kern County over the dumping of processed sewage on some farmland they’ve rented up there. Kern’s objections are environmental, which is a little funny given their eagerness to jump into this deal.
LA dumps sewage in Kern County too....although it is the far northern part I think.
“better than the ragheads getting it”
They don’t get that much.
There is no subsidy on corn for farmers at the present
price. That is why farm co-ops first started ethanol
plants to make a market for corn that was priced lower
than what it took to raise it. For years our country
was sued through the WTO for dumping cheap corn and cotton
on other nations hurting their farmers. Most of the extra corn acreage has come from cotton acres and there is still
a world wide surplus of cotton.Right now ethanol
on the market is over a dollar a gal less than pump
price of gas. Ony credit on it is what big oil gets
to blend it in the gas.They get a tax credit, which
is wrong as out in the west they have put the cancer
causing oxygenator in the gas out there without out a credit. That tax credit isn’t the fault of ethanol
or corn farmers, it is just some more of the stuff big oil has gotton from the tax system.
Ethanol is much better than the poison used, that
oil companies and greenies talked those states into using,
and it is made by big company in Can owned by oil company stockholders. I say more power to them, to get
rid of the cancer causing poison and use ethanol
to oxygenate the gas, making for clean burning.And if
they just blend 10% in gas it aids millage on older
cars, on big engines, and is just as good s
straight gas in the rest. The E85 ethanol stuff is
just a scam that big oil snookered people into to get the
reaction of the guy above to give ethanol a bad name.
Greenies talk about sustainability but they don’t like
ethanol as it makes for a viable farm economy and
they don’t want anything that will help farms. Ed
“And if
they just blend 10% in gas it aids millage on older
cars, on big engines, and is just as good s
straight gas in the rest. The E85 ethanol stuff is
just a scam that big oil snookered people into to get the
reaction of the guy above to give ethanol a bad name.
Greenies talk about sustainability but they don’t like
ethanol as it makes for a viable farm economy and
they don’t want anything that will help farms. Ed”
Sorry, I disagree. It’s a proven fact that E85 damages car engines and gives reduced mileage. I didn’t say a subsidy on corn, I said a subsidy on ethanol. And I don’t really care what the WTO says or does.
“Corn Subsidies in United States totaled $51.3 billion from 1995-2005.”
http://farm.ewg.org/farm/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=corn
“The biggest single item is the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit, which grants a tax credit to blenders who combine ethanol with gasoline, in the amount of 51 cents per gallon of pure ethanol blended. But this is only part of the story, as detailed in a report released last October (hat tip: Cato Institute) by the International Institute for Sustainable Development. In addition to the direct subsidy from the VEETC, many states reduce motor fuel taxes on favored fuels, and there are numerous separate subsidies and tax breaks for investment in the infrastructure required for biofuel production. There is also a large implicit subsidy in the form of the mandate from the Energy Policy Act of 2005 that 4 billion gallons come from renewable fuels in 2006, rising to 7.5 billion in 2012. The impact of these mandates on the price of ethanol is greatly amplified by the 54-cents-per-gallon tariff currently in effect for imports of ethyl alcohol intended for use as a fuel. Finally, there are significant direct agricultural subsidies for farmers that reduce their water, fuel, and other costs below market. The IISD estimated that such subsidies currently sum to $1.05 to $1.38 per gallon of ethanol.”
http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2007/02/ethanol_subsidi.html
“The heavily promoted alcohol fuel called E85 might cut America’s oil use and help support U.S. agriculture, but it’s not reducing motorists’ fuel bills. It’s boosting them significantly.
The price of E85 — a fuel that’s 85% ethanol made from grain and 15% conventional gasoline is higher than that of gasoline, even though E85 has only 72% as much energy. The U.S. Department of Energy says a vehicle has to use 1.4 times as much E85 as gasoline to go the same distance.”
http://e85.whipnet.net/e85.price/index.html
Hey -I said E85 wasn’t anygood. But the 10% blend is
All those figures you through around are mostly crap.
Up until 2005 the price of corn was always below
the farmers cost to produce it, thus corn price supports,
which if not given along with other farm products being
supported up to that time, you wouldn’t have farmers or food. Now products are up and farmers don’t need price
supports. The blending credit that big oil gets is wrong but it is a small fraction of what the tax system gives
big oil on oil peoduction and exploration.
And if the ethanol wasn’t pushed out there they’d
keep blending the poison till all the water on west
coast was polluted. The tariff tax on imported ethanol is some more oil company bribing to cut the supply of
energy. They want shortages. Now ethanol is still
over a dollar lower on the market than gas and even with
blending credit it ends up 50 cents lower, thus it is helping to keep prices dowm.. Any help farmers get in supplying water, lower taxees on farmland, etc, is
stll going to be there no matter what is raised on that
land, The idea being that farmers must stay in business
for our well being. Any breaks an ethanpol plant gets is just like al lthe breaks state and local gov give
any new factories and business.Are they to refuse
it.The commodities have climbed lately but that is fault of speculators pulling money out hedge funds
and real estate and playing with commodities. In last 7 years the amount of speculating money in farm ptroducts
has went up 20 times.
All my engines run better on the 10% blend. Only E85 stations here didn’t last as we all knew it
was crap, and it made farms look bad. But should farms
be punished, The energy costs affects their cost of
raising also. Are we to drive them back down to getting
less than expenses. Are we to give up the 400,000
barrels of ethanol per day being produced now, when
its market price is over a dollar less than gas.
That idea is being pushed everyday by crap articles like this...are you a big oil stockholder......they are
the only ones benefited by trashing ethanol..Ed Hubel
“Eat Food, Don’t Burn It!”
There is plenty to eat. There is all the canned
corn anyone could eat, in fact they give it to
food pantries as well as cereals. There is grain corn,
but only ones making money on it is speculators.
But still the ethanol refiners are putting it out
for over a dollar less than gas at the pump.
The biggest companies around here refuse to put in
a 10% blend, thus they force the ethanol guys to do the
E85 crap, And GM went along to use it as an ad
gimmick to impress green types, to buy there stuff.
And we still ship 100,000 tons of corn to Mex every
month.There is no shortage, only greedy investors and
middlemen. Farmers fertilizer has went up 2.5 times, their fuel is up, it cost $2.50 few years ago to raise corn,
and they got 2 bucks, now cost a buck a bushel more
and we have those around who want the farmers price back
to 2 bucks, but yet will have a hairy when when price
supports would have to kick in. Same types berate the farm
bill adding its cost to etanol, when most of it is food stamps and conservation costs, a huge on being the
CRP crap that pays not to farm 31 million acres.And
there is that much more idle farmland. All could be growing food and some energy. Corn acreage is 92M
acres, and part of the land setting could be added
and we could easily have all gas 10% blend, and all
cancer causing, and polluting additives out west gone.Ed
“That idea is being pushed everyday by crap articles like this...are you a big oil stockholder......they are
the only ones benefited by trashing ethanol..”
And do you have a bug up somewhere uncomfortable?
I told you I disagree, provided stats to back me up and so far all you’ve posted is your opinion.
Don’t bother to reply, I’m not interested.
Chicago Board of trade—Ethanol about $2.30,
my pump price for gas bought today $3.35.
My neighbors buy fertilizer for coming year,
over 300 dollars a ton, they pd 140 2 years ago.
The local food pantry has canned corn and cereals
by the truck load. Go read the particulars
of the farm bill. And so on.
You haven’t even mentioned or defended the use of
poison that CAL/etc has allowed in the gas an oxygenator.
And you say I have a bug.... Those stats you proclaim
are slanted. There is a certain amount of money
going to be spent on farming, no matter what is raised.
And to credit it all to ethanol support is crazy.
If you credit all you think is wrong against
making corn ethanol then we shouldn’t raise corn
at all. But we have created a better market for it
so that price supports aren’t being paid now.That’s
the fact, and the ethanol on the market cheaper than
gas is the fact. Instead of railing against ethanol,
work to get big oil and politicos to use it right.
IE, get rid of blending credit, and tariff.Those
CAL local politicians out there have seen mismanagement
of the gasoline, along with the concurrent pollution
of some of their water, and when they take steps to
correct it, you and other dummies beat on them??????
Shameful uninformed behavior...Ed
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