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Police: Man Dies After SEPTA Concourse Confrontation (Beaten to death at Phili Subway Station)
nbc10.com ^ | March 26, 2008 | nbc10

Posted on 03/26/2008 4:38:09 PM PDT by Main Street

The incident occurred at about 2:35 p.m. before the turnstiles on the Market-Frankford Line concourse at 13th and Market streets, police said.

One adult male was taken to Jefferson University Hospital but was later pronounced dead.

Police said homicide investigators have been summoned to the scene.

A transit police sergeant was on patrol on the eastbound platform at the time of the incident.

"While on patrol, he notices across the way, on the westbound concourse, a white male adult, about 30-years-old, and he's being confronted by four, young black males. A disturbance is obvious to him. He goes to investigate," said Capt. Steven Harold of the transit police agency.

Police said the man, who worked at a nearby Starbucks, appeared to be a in a defensive mode, as if threatened by the teens.

As the transit police sergeant approached, he radioed in that a fight was possibly in progress. The juvenile males fled down the concourse, while the man was in some type of physical distress.

SEPTA police said they took one male into custody on the concourse, near 11th Street, in connection with the case.

"The man goes into what appears to be cardiac arrest. He's unable to give any information as to what actually was transpiring," Harold said.

The man was rushed to the hospital but later pronounced dead.

Authorities said they are now trying to determine the extent of the physical altercation.

"The sergeant's view was observing some type of disturbance that the male was having with these four youth," Harold said.

Police did not release a description of any other juveniles possibly involved in the incident.

Commuters were being turned away from the westbound entrance but service on the Market-Frankford Line was not disrupted.

Philadelphia and SEPTA police have launched a joint investigation into the incident.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; ccw; crime; filthydelphia; philadelphia; rkba; septa; starbucks; starbucksmanager; subway; threadjack; youths; yutes
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1 posted on 03/26/2008 4:38:10 PM PDT by Main Street
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To: Main Street

It does not matter what the colors of the skin, 4 against 1 is a gang killing.


2 posted on 03/26/2008 4:41:24 PM PDT by Biblebelter (Oprah had better judgment that Barry, she left Barry's Uncle Jeremiah while the getting was good.)
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To: Main Street

Four against one...


3 posted on 03/26/2008 4:42:13 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Main Street

EPTA police said they took one male into custody

that’s enough to get the rest


4 posted on 03/26/2008 4:43:45 PM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: Main Street

Looks like a hate crime to me


5 posted on 03/26/2008 4:44:09 PM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Main Street
a white male adult, about 30-years-old, and he's being confronted by four, young black males.

Oh, come on. That never happens.

Never.

6 posted on 03/26/2008 4:44:43 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: Main Street
What a masterpiece of indistinct vagaries!
7 posted on 03/26/2008 4:45:22 PM PDT by Jagman (Liberalism is a "progressive" disease)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Four against one...

It's never one-on-one, unless the thug outweighs you by at least 25 pounds or is 20 years younger.

8 posted on 03/26/2008 4:45:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: Main Street

The wording in the police statement is agonizingly awkward. There is much not being said here.


9 posted on 03/26/2008 4:47:06 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: Main Street

I’m shocked at the amount of detail in the story.


10 posted on 03/26/2008 4:49:11 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Main Street

30-year-old going into cardiac arrest? Something stinks here.


11 posted on 03/26/2008 4:49:49 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Windcatcher

It’s still murder.


12 posted on 03/26/2008 4:52:06 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Biblebelter

Four against one is what counts as courage in gangs.


13 posted on 03/26/2008 4:52:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Windcatcher

Sounds to me like a drug deal, spiking some smack, and things go wrong for everyone at that point.


14 posted on 03/26/2008 4:53:50 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: Main Street

Just another day in “The City of Brotherly Love”


15 posted on 03/26/2008 4:54:10 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Recon Dad

True, but my point was that I’m skeptical that that’s all that happened. Can it happen? Sure, but it’s extremely unlikely, IMHO, unless the guy was really overweight or something.

I’m 38, weigh 25-30 pounds more than I should, but I still bike 150 miles for charity every year. It seems to me that it would take something extraordinary to send a 30-year-old into arrest...unless it was externally inflicted (hint).


16 posted on 03/26/2008 4:55:23 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Main Street

The white man should definitely be charged with a hate crime, instigating the whole affair by using the N-word, having a miniature noose in his pocket, wearing a t-shirt with a confederate flag on it, and of course the most serious offense of all, being white.


17 posted on 03/26/2008 4:55:53 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Main Street

No hate crime there?


18 posted on 03/26/2008 4:57:03 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Windcatcher

Smokin some crack or spiking some meth can make anyones heart go poof.


19 posted on 03/26/2008 4:58:56 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: Main Street

Charge them with denying the white guy his civil rights.


20 posted on 03/26/2008 5:01:28 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Jagman
What a masterpiece of indistinct vagaries!

No kidding. You'd think it was some sort of difference of opinion that upset the deceased from the writing.

21 posted on 03/26/2008 5:01:32 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Main Street

This article states the man was beaten to death by the “youths”:

Man dead after beating on Center City SEPTA platform

A 36-year-old man died after being severely beaten by a gang of youths inside the SEPTA concourse near City Hall this afternoon, police said.

One youth was taken into custody and police were still looking for three juveniles, possibly four, who fled the scene.

The attack happened at 13th and Market Streets on the concourse of a busy Septa stop about 2:45 p.m., said Officer Jillian Russell of the Public Affairs Unit.

SEPTA spokeswoman Sylvana Hoyos said a SEPTA police sergeant initially responded and administered CPR to the victim until medics arrived......

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20080326_Man_dead_after_beating_on_Center_City_SEPTA_platform.html

May he rest in peace


22 posted on 03/26/2008 5:02:15 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Cindy

ping


23 posted on 03/26/2008 5:02:45 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta

B*st*rds.

This is the number one reason why I tell recruiters that under no circumstances will I accept a job within the city limits.


24 posted on 03/26/2008 5:04:35 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: whatisthetruth

He was probably thinking of a noose.


25 posted on 03/26/2008 5:06:30 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Windcatcher

“...unless it was externally inflicted (hint).”

Aneurysms?

Angina?

Arrhythmia?

Atherosclerosis?

Cardiomyopathy?

Cerebrovascular Disease?

Congenital Heart Disease?

Congestive Heart Failure?

Myocarditis?

Valve Disease?

Coronary Artery Disease?

Dilated cardiomyopathy?

Diastolic Dysfunction?

Endocarditis?

High Blood Pressure (Hypertension)?

Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy?

Mitral valve prolapse?

Myocardial Infarction?

Venous Thromboembolism?

Another news report stated that the victim was beaten, which if severe enough can cause the heart to stop working, especially if he had a heart defect.


26 posted on 03/26/2008 5:07:36 PM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: Main Street

Guess he wasn’t a typical white person; he didn’t move to the other side of the concourse.


27 posted on 03/26/2008 5:08:34 PM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: Main Street

I just got back from a business trip to Philadelphia. The area I was in wasn’t all that far from the scene of this murder, but it seemed fairly nice. The rest of Philadelphia, on the other hand, looked like an unflushed toilet.


28 posted on 03/26/2008 5:08:44 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

“The rest of Philadelphia, on the other hand, looked like an unflushed toilet.”

The city of brotherly love?


29 posted on 03/26/2008 5:14:47 PM PDT by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: IronJack

Phila. west of Broad Street and Montgomery/Diamond (west of Temple Un, my old school), looked like an “unflushed toilet” in 1980 when I was last there.

Glad to know that the Democrats have done so much to improve it in the past 28 years (Mayor Street, Rendell, etc).

Time to flush the whole place and start over again.


30 posted on 03/26/2008 5:14:51 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Main Street

Bernard Goetz (sp)? That was the guy who shot his attackers in a NY subway and got sued. When are we going to learn?

I used to ride the El when I worked in Philly. The most unsafe time to ride was when the thugs, er students, got out of school. Freaking animals.


31 posted on 03/26/2008 5:17:54 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: whatisthetruth

Thats about it.


32 posted on 03/26/2008 5:19:19 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Main Street
After discussing Obamma-Mania with the YOUTHS, the white guy suffered SEPTA-SHOCK!

Please, keep moving. Nothing else to see.

33 posted on 03/26/2008 5:20:00 PM PDT by jaz.357 (When you throw mud, you lose ground.)
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To: Main Street

I was about two blocks away at a trade show when this happened.

I’d been thinking about bringing a handgun with me on this trip. PA recognizes my state’s permit, but I decided it wasn’t worth the hassle to check it on the airplane, etc. I think this is the last time I’ll make that decision.


34 posted on 03/26/2008 5:25:15 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Windcatcher

Can’t say as I blame you.


35 posted on 03/26/2008 5:25:19 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: IronJack

I’ve been to Philadelphia a few times on business. A very scary city. One time I walked over to the Liberty Bell at around 1:00 PM and I was followed by a group of five or six young black guys. When I turned left, they turned left; when I turned right, they turned right. The Liberty Bell was pretty much deserted (stupid me, I thought there’d be some City employee there to give a brief, bored lesson on the thing), so, instead of paying it my respects, I passed it up, picked up my pace, and headed back towards my hotel, blending in with some other pedestrians. I looked back at the gang and they had stopped, but they were watching me as I continued on my way. Like I say, a very scary city.


36 posted on 03/26/2008 5:25:52 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: All

Ridiculous journalism:

Police: Man Dies After SEPTA Concourse Confrontation

Authorities Trying To Determine Extent Of Physical Altercation
http://www.nbc10.com/news/15714060/detail.html

Ummmmm....he’s dead. I’d say the altercation was extensive.


37 posted on 03/26/2008 5:27:31 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Turbopilot

I went to Temple in the late sixties, and used to drive to the train station and then walk from the N. Broad station. Can you imagine doing that now? We used walk all over the city, day or night, go to a movie, the orchestra, dinner, a show, and take the train home. Someone needs to take a look at what has changed.


38 posted on 03/26/2008 5:29:19 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: Turbopilot

The City of Philadelphia may not recognize your permit even if PA does. Democrats don’t have to follow any rules.


39 posted on 03/26/2008 5:30:01 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Eva

50 years of mainly Democrats.


40 posted on 03/26/2008 5:30:41 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: IronJack
It is an unflushed toilet. ( Glad to be out of there!)
41 posted on 03/26/2008 5:42:03 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: SueRae
The most unsafe time to ride was when the thugs, er students, got out of school. Freaking animals.
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Is this the “socialization” homeschoolers are missing?

42 posted on 03/26/2008 5:43:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Turbopilot
"I was about two blocks away at a trade show when this happened.

I’d been thinking about bringing a handgun with me on this trip. PA recognizes my state’s permit, but I decided it wasn’t worth the hassle to check it on the airplane, etc. I think this is the last time I’ll make that decision."


You know The Feral Looktm when you see it. If you take a stroll past City Hall near the end of the business day, you will see it (had an interview in the vicinity last year). And the city leaders wonder why they have no tax base. I've turned down Philly-based $115k/year Java coding jobs that would pay at most 80k in the suburbs. That's how un-appealing the place is, and that's how hard they have to try to attract people. I'll stay in my nice, safe area, thank you very much. If the people in the city want to be animals then they can rot for all I care.
43 posted on 03/26/2008 5:43:25 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: ought-six

Don’t worry, whatever they did to you had you been caught would’ve only made the news if you turned up dead, simple robbery and assault of unsuspecting whites is probably just the norm.


44 posted on 03/26/2008 5:43:45 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: dennisw
Looks like a hate crime to me

Only if the white guy was gay.

45 posted on 03/26/2008 5:47:18 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Does PA not have preemption? I thought it did, but I’d definitely double-check that kind of thing before I carried out of state.

The thugs, of course, will not be checking any federal, state, or local statutes before committing any gun/knife/bare-fist crimes. But I’d like to know whether I’m allowed to be on an even playing field with them when I go somewhere.


46 posted on 03/26/2008 5:47:50 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Eva
Can you imagine doing that now?
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I was in professional school in the 70s. One day I was walking from the North Broad Street station up to the hospital. A pimp in a full blown pimp outfit and pimp-mobile stopped and said, “You wana ride with me, Mama?” I laughed and said that I was busy that day! :-)

Later in the late 90s I worked in a clinic across the street from Hunting Park and at another clinic one block from K and A.

Those were the days! :-)

47 posted on 03/26/2008 5:48:31 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Was born there. Left when I was six. But we went well out of sight of the house and nobody minded. But with an acre right in the middle of the city we had lots of room to play.


48 posted on 03/26/2008 5:49:46 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (It took a Carter to get a Reagan.)
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To: Main Street
When they do this story on CSI, the black yutes will have been assisting the man when he goes into cardiac arrest. The videotaped footage from a bystander will make it appear as if the man had been attacked. Nick and Archie will analyze the audio and find out that the the four perps are asking if the man wants a cracker, not, is he a cracker.
49 posted on 03/26/2008 5:50:28 PM PDT by rabidralph (Hillary is the MSM's Bimbo Eruption.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Was this guy a typical white person who went into cardiac arrest at the sight of four black people? It’s too bad he missed Barry’s historical speech, it might have saved his life. Or, maybe he did hear it and Barry’s advice turned out to be wrong when the four black youths decided to act like typical black thugs. Does Barry want us to try and understand the frustration and anger of these black youths?


50 posted on 03/26/2008 5:52:14 PM PDT by peeps36 (OUTLAWED WORDS--INSURGENT,GLOBAL WARMING,UNDOCUMENTED WORKER,PALESTINIAN,TERMINATED PREGNANCY)
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