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Neanderthals Wore Make-Up And Liked To Chat
New Scientist ^ | 3-27-2008 | Dan Jones

Posted on 03/27/2008 2:27:09 PM PDT by blam

Neanderthals wore make-up and liked to chat

09:24 27 March 2008
NewScientist.com news service
Dan Jones

Could Neanderthals speak? The answer may depend on whether they used make-up.

Francesco d'Errico, an archaeologist from the University of Bordeaux, France, has found crafted lumps of pigment – essentially crayons – left behind by Neanderthals across Europe.

He says that Neanderthals, who most likely had pale skin, used these dark pigments to mark their own as well as animal skins. And, since body art is a form of communication, this implies that the Neanderthals could speak, d'Errico says.

Working with Marie Soressi of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, d'Errico has recovered hundreds of blocks of black manganese pigment from two neighbouring sites at Pech de l'Azé in France, which were occupied by Neanderthals. These add to evidence of pigment among Neanderthal from some 39 other sites.

The pigments were not just smeared onto the body like camouflage, d'Errico says, but fashioned into drawing tools.

"The flat, elongated surfaces on the archaeological specimens are consistent, as confirmed experimentally, with producing clearly visible straight black lines, perhaps arranged to produce abstract designs," says d'Errico, who presented his work on 15 March at the Seventh Evolution of Language Conference in Barcelona, Spain.

Essential words

Body painting, argues d'Errico, is a "material proxy" for symbolic communication. What's more, he says, the techniques for making the symbols, and the meaning they carry, would have to be transmitted through language.

And body painting isn't the only proxy associated with Neanderthal remains. Neanderthals adorned their bodies with ornamentation, such as necklaces made from shell beads.

The sorts of beads used by modern humans, and the ornaments they fashioned from them, vary geographically.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; chat; godsgravesglyphs; makeup; neanderthals
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1 posted on 03/27/2008 2:27:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 03/27/2008 2:27:43 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Did they text message too?


3 posted on 03/27/2008 2:28:00 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: blam

This should be an interesting thread..


4 posted on 03/27/2008 2:28:25 PM PDT by Dog
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To: blam
FWTHTP.


5 posted on 03/27/2008 2:29:49 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (feh)
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To: blam
Explains a lot.
6 posted on 03/27/2008 2:30:21 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: blam
...and liked to chat.

Sometimes I post on forums too. What of it?

7 posted on 03/27/2008 2:31:00 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: blam

well , . . . just when I got comfortable with recent history , and ancient history . . ....

I get another curveball


8 posted on 03/27/2008 2:31:06 PM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: blam

“He says that Neanderthals, who most likely had pale skin, used these dark pigments to mark their own as well as animal skins.”

I bet it sucked to be a Neaderthal if they wanted to join PETA.


9 posted on 03/27/2008 2:31:12 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: reagan_fanatic

Jeez...now why did you have to post that photo?!


10 posted on 03/27/2008 2:32:16 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: blam
HUH?

Ug, ooh ooh, wa wa wa...ungawa.

Makes for interesting conversation, dont’cha think?

Man, how the hades do they know that?

11 posted on 03/27/2008 2:32:34 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Dog
Ancient DNA Reveals That Some Neanderthals Were Redheads

Ancient DNA suggests that at least some Neanderthals had red hair and pale skin. Neanderthals' pigmentation may even have been as varied as that of modern humans, and that at least 1 percent of Neanderthals were likely redheads. (Credit: "Illustration by Knut Finstermeier; Neanderthal reconstruction by the Reiss-Engelhorn-Museum Mannheim")

ScienceDaily (Oct. 26, 2007) — Ancient DNA retrieved from the bones of two Neanderthals suggests that at least some of them had red hair and pale skin, scientists report in the journal Science. The international team says that Neanderthals' pigmentation may even have been as varied as that of modern humans, and that at least 1 percent of Neanderthals were likely redheads.

The scientists -- led by Holger Römpler of Harvard University and the University of Leipzig, Carles Lalueza-Fox of the University of Barcelona, and Michael Hofreiter of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig -- extracted, amplified, and sequenced a pigmentation gene called MC1R from the bones of a 43,000-year-old Neanderthal from El Sidrón, Spain, and a 50,000-year-old individual from Monti Lessini, Italy.

"Together with other genes, this MC1R gene dictates hair and skin color in humans and other mammals," says Römpler, a postdoctoral researcher working with Hopi E. Hoekstra in Harvard's Department of Organismic and Evolutionary Biology. "The two Neanderthal individuals we studied showed a point mutation not seen in modern humans. When we induced such a mutation in human cells, we found that it impaired MC1R activity, a condition that leads to red hair and pale skin in modern humans."

To ensure that the MC1R point mutation was not due to contamination from modern humans, the scientists checked some 3,700 people, including those previously sequenced for the gene as well as everyone involved in the excavation and genetic analysis of the two Neanderthals. None showed the mutation, suggesting that Neanderthals and Homo sapiens followed different evolutionary paths to the same redheaded appearance.

With Neanderthals' surviving bones providing few clues, scientists have long sought to flesh out the appearance of this hominid species found across Eurasia some 28,000 to 400,000 years ago. While anthropologists had predicted that Neanderthals might have had pale skin or red hair, the new work by Römpler and colleagues offers the first strong evidence to support this hunch.

Found in cell membranes, MC1R is a receptor that acts as a switch between production of the red-and-yellow pigment pheomelanin and the black-and-brown pigment eumelanin. Modern humans with mutations that cause complete or partial loss of MC1R function tend to be pale and red-haired, although many other pigmentation genes can also result in this phenotype.

In 2006, a team led by Römpler found a mutation in woolly mammoths that may lead to some blond mammoths; together with her colleagues, Hoekstra, the John L. Loeb Associate Professor of the Natural Sciences at Harvard and curator in mammalogy in Harvard's Museum of Comparative Zoology, has shown that this same mutation causes light coloration in mice. Römpler and Hoekstra are now collaborating to identify genetic changes responsible for pigment variation in other extant and extinct species.

"It has only recently become possible to decipher the genomes of species which became extinct thousands of years ago," Römpler says. "The methods used in these Neanderthal and mammoth studies could provide new insights into the coloration of other extinct hominids, animals, and plants."

Reference: Carles Lalueza-Fox, Holger Römpler, Michael Hofreiter et al., A melanocortin 1 receptor allele suggests varying pigmentation among Neanderthals. Science, October 25, 2007

Römpler, Lalueza-Fox, and Hofreiter's co-authors are David Caramelli and Elena Pilli of the University of Firenze; Claudia Stäubert and Torsten Schöneberg of the University of Leipzig; Giulio Catalano of the University of Firenze and Universitat Pompeu Fabra; David Hughes, Nadin Rohland, and Mark Stoneking of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology; Laura Longo of the University of Siena; Silvana Condemi of CNRS; Marco de la Rasilla and Javier Fortea of the University of Oveido; Antonio Rosas of the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales in Madrid; and Jaume Bertranpetit of Universitat Pompeu Fabra.

The work was funded by the Spanish Ministry of Education and Science; the Generalitat de Catalunya; the Max Planck Society; the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft; the Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung; the IZKF Leipzig; the Studienstiftung des Deutschen Volkes; and the Autonomous Government of Asturias.

Adapted from materials provided by Harvard University, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS.

12 posted on 03/27/2008 2:33:52 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

"Perhaps a little rouge will de-emphasize his brow ridges" said Pierre de Prognathic, makeup man to the Neandertals.

13 posted on 03/27/2008 2:34:18 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Ramius

I swear there was a freeper named Barney Rumble...anyone else remember that name?


14 posted on 03/27/2008 2:35:02 PM PDT by Dog
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To: blam

So ... makeup and chatting ... I think it means neanderthals died out because they were all homosexuals....


15 posted on 03/27/2008 2:35:23 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: blam

Anyone here read Loren Eisley? He was a poet/ anthropologist who wrote convincingly about Neanderthals living among us in our genetic pool.
These so-called scientists who claim that Neanderthal was replaced by humans need to grow up and give up their racism. Some of my best friends are Neanderthals.


16 posted on 03/27/2008 2:35:29 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: blam
Yeah, I also heard that dinosaurs were fond
of make-up, jewelery, and even sipped tea.

Photobucket

17 posted on 03/27/2008 2:38:02 PM PDT by swampdweller (Live Free or Die Hard)
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To: blam

Metro-thals.


18 posted on 03/27/2008 2:39:06 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Forget "Who is John Galt?" I want to know "Where is Galt's Gulch?")
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To: Pharmboy

Pharmboy...thanks for the pic...to me it looks like the mugshot of the Mayor of Detroit...Kwame what’s his name...


19 posted on 03/27/2008 2:39:14 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: blam

20 posted on 03/27/2008 2:40:14 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: blam
I think they're confusing Neanderthals with Metro-anderthals. And of course, there are always the warlike Neo-anderthals, who at one time were Libral-anderthals until they were mugged by Lucy's progeny!
21 posted on 03/27/2008 2:41:27 PM PDT by Jagman (Liberalism is a "progressive" disease)
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To: blam

"I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa."

22 posted on 03/27/2008 2:43:55 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Shallow narcissistic meaningless old perv!)
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To: Jagman
So easy
23 posted on 03/27/2008 2:44:01 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: blam

Make-up. Hundreds of “crayons”. Must have been an early make-up counter in the women’s department.

Or, I could google “black manganese cave paintings” and find that this was commonly used in cave art/images.

Sheesh. No evidence presented in this article, just making stuff up. You sure Hillary didn’t write this?


24 posted on 03/27/2008 2:44:25 PM PDT by rusty millet
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To: CholeraJoe

Wow beat me by 6 seconds and a clever quote


25 posted on 03/27/2008 2:45:04 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Towed_Jumper
<[p>Is that why the Celts have Freckles, and the Slaves don't.
26 posted on 03/27/2008 2:45:21 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: Fido969

Nah. Nancy Pelosi is the perfect example.


27 posted on 03/27/2008 2:46:04 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Duh! There were like, tons of way cool Neandertal Valley girls, hitting the cave malls to the max lookin’ for gnarly dudes, right?


28 posted on 03/27/2008 2:46:06 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: Little Bill
Slavs
29 posted on 03/27/2008 2:46:11 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: blam

Why would they be pale? Wouldn’t they be tanned because they were outside allot?


30 posted on 03/27/2008 2:46:37 PM PDT by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: wildbill
And after the Valley Cavegirls and gnarly dudes hook up they can go back to the hip crib for some monkey love.


31 posted on 03/27/2008 2:50:00 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Shallow narcissistic meaningless old perv!)
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To: Towed_Jumper
"He says that Neanderthals, who most likely had pale skin, used these dark pigments to mark their own as well as animal skins"

"I bet it sucked to be a Neanderthal if they wanted to join PETA"

Or Trinity United Church.


32 posted on 03/27/2008 2:50:52 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: blam

Neandertals are starting to sound like Picts.


33 posted on 03/27/2008 2:51:12 PM PDT by decimon
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To: wildbill

“Tina’s here. We’re getting back together!”


34 posted on 03/27/2008 2:52:02 PM PDT by elcid1970 (io)
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To: blam

Like my wife.


35 posted on 03/27/2008 2:53:42 PM PDT by toddlintown (On Obama's moral compass, "N" doesn't stand for "North.")
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To: blam; SunkenCiv; Pharmboy

36 posted on 03/27/2008 2:54:22 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: elcid1970

lol


37 posted on 03/27/2008 2:54:39 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Little Bill

Actually the word slave is derived from Slav, because when the word was coined (in the Byzantine Empire, I think) most slaves were Slavs.


38 posted on 03/27/2008 2:55:08 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: blam
"Neanderthals Wore Make-Up And Liked To Chat"

Whaddayknow. Next they'll be telling us the thals liked show tunes.

39 posted on 03/27/2008 2:55:46 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: swampdweller

Article is full of “most likely” “implies” “perhaps”
This guy is full of himself and doesn’t know squat for sure. He should be sayin’, “I might very well be wrong, but I guess this, and I guess that. I have no proof, but I’m impressed by my guessing. And you should be too!”


40 posted on 03/27/2008 3:01:37 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: All

Are they saying that natural pale skinned redheads like me are mutants? Well!!

Seriously, is it really a gene mutation that causes pale skin and red hair? It happens in my family about every other generation. I was the lucky one this generation.


41 posted on 03/27/2008 3:01:39 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: wildbill
"Duh! There were like, tons of way cool Neandertal Valley girls, hitting the cave malls to the max lookin’ for gnarly dudes, right?" ============================================================ Image and video hosting by TinyPic
42 posted on 03/27/2008 3:04:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Spelling, Gesklaven(?), German, reflects the Eastward expansion. I do think that the Byzantines gave us bugger through a long line of references that I don’t remember.


43 posted on 03/27/2008 3:09:15 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: Melinda in TN
Seriously, is it really a gene mutation that causes pale skin and red hair? It happens in my family about every other generation. I was the lucky one this generation.

Yes. But your family's not experiencing a mutation every other generation.
44 posted on 03/27/2008 3:09:44 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: martin_fierro

(Pharmboy muttering to himself) “Where does he come up with this stuff??”


45 posted on 03/27/2008 3:10:50 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: blam
Some of them are believed to have thrived to this day, in Russia:


46 posted on 03/27/2008 3:14:28 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Cool Uni-brow, Breshy-boy!


47 posted on 03/27/2008 3:18:21 PM PDT by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: Little Bill
There's an obsession with neanderthals. There's tribes in Africa that live in the same way as way back then.

Man is an intelligent being.

If his primary needs are met...he goes no further.

It's kinda like doing the sign language things with babies. My son's wife did this with their first kid...And the kid is screwed up royally. He is unsocial and lacks initiative....almost altistic and responds only to his mother and father...

48 posted on 03/27/2008 3:19:24 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: aruanan
Yes. But your family's not experiencing a mutation every other generation.

Probably not but I have red hair, my grandmother had red hair, and my great-great grandmother had red hair. For some reason it only shows up every other generation. It seems kind of odd. That's as far back as I know of but I remember my grandmother saying that it has occurred every other generation way back through the family tree.

49 posted on 03/27/2008 3:21:01 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: TexGuy
Unibrow? What unibrow? I thought it was a bird-hit!

:^)

50 posted on 03/27/2008 3:27:33 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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