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Crusaders 'Left Genetic Legacy'
BBC ^ | 3-27-2008

Posted on 03/27/2008 6:29:52 PM PDT by blam

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"The Genographic Project was launched by National Geographic in 2005 to help piece together a picture of how the Earth was colonised."

I had my DNA checked by these folks. My yDNA is R1b and my mtDNA is 'V'.

1 posted on 03/27/2008 6:29:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

UC Davis Study Finds Distinct Genetic Profiles

2 posted on 03/27/2008 6:31:38 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Did they trace you back to anybody of significance?


3 posted on 03/27/2008 6:32:56 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: martin_fierro

Crusader genetic ping!


4 posted on 03/27/2008 6:34:20 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: blam
The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots)
5 posted on 03/27/2008 6:34:52 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Pharmboy

There were stories of Lebanese and Christian Arabs with the name William within the past century. Now we know where it came from. GGGG-Grandpa WAS named William, who came to save Christian Lebanon ... didn’t save the country, but did add to the Christian population.


6 posted on 03/27/2008 6:38:13 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: blam
Some, Lebanese women. Posting, purely for science.

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7 posted on 03/27/2008 6:38:19 PM PDT by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: blam
Crusaders 'Left Genetic Legacy'

Is this anything like "Presidue"?

8 posted on 03/27/2008 6:38:38 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: blam
All part of the evil “ethnic bomb” being created by evil whitey. I heard that from a Minister in Illinois so it has to be true.
9 posted on 03/27/2008 6:39:00 PM PDT by mad puppy (Never have I felt so politically radical and I swear I didn't move an inch.)
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To: BGHater

Science. Is that what you told your wife?


10 posted on 03/27/2008 6:42:36 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: BGHater
Here's what you get when you cross a Lebanese man with a Mexican woman: Salma Hayek


11 posted on 03/27/2008 6:42:46 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: wastedyears
"Did they trace you back to anybody of significance?"

I'm descended from some of the Nordic invaders of the British Isles.
I found out that my dad's mother (Mrs Smith, mtDNA U5a1a) is related to Cheddar Man.

Descendant Of Stone Age Skeleton Found (Cheddar Man - 9,000 Years Old)

Also, we were suprised to find out that my mother comes from a line of Skolt Sami.(Laplander)

12 posted on 03/27/2008 6:43:33 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: BGHater

Is that Huma?

13 posted on 03/27/2008 6:43:58 PM PDT by Siberian-psycho (An oppressed class which did not try to possess arms, would deserve to be treated as slaves." Lenin)
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To: Siberian-psycho

Hell no. Huma is a horse, btw, see the Cedar on her leg, no way would Huma wear one.


14 posted on 03/27/2008 6:47:10 PM PDT by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: Siberian-psycho

It’s “So hat”.


15 posted on 03/27/2008 6:48:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BGHater

Sorry, sorry didn’t mean nothing by it. Just asking.


16 posted on 03/27/2008 6:48:18 PM PDT by Siberian-psycho (An oppressed class which did not try to possess arms, would deserve to be treated as slaves." Lenin)
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To: blam

I hope I’m related to somebody cool in history.


17 posted on 03/27/2008 6:48:21 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: BGHater
Some, Lebanese women. Posting, purely for science.

Thank you for your tireless work advancing knowledge.

18 posted on 03/27/2008 6:48:26 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: Pharmboy

He shoots, he scores!


19 posted on 03/27/2008 6:50:24 PM PDT by billorites (Freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam

So might you be Irish?


20 posted on 03/27/2008 6:51:10 PM PDT by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: BGHater

I love science!


21 posted on 03/27/2008 6:52:24 PM PDT by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: blam
These days, youth are content to tag buildings.

A little trans-generational graffiti is even more intriguing.

22 posted on 03/27/2008 6:55:41 PM PDT by billorites (Freepo ergo sum)
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To: neodad

Definitely ~ an excellent survey.


23 posted on 03/27/2008 6:56:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BGHater
Years ago I met a very handsome Lebanese couple in Asia. Along with your pictures, problems in Lebanon seem a little more personal.
24 posted on 03/27/2008 7:03:01 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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"So might you be Irish?"

The Irish are R1b DYS390-24...I'm R1b DYS390-23 which indicates that I came from the Norway/Denmark region but wound up in Ireland.

25 posted on 03/27/2008 7:04:44 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

That is pretty cool. From what I understand, in spite of the long presence of the Vikings in Ireland, they left very little genetic evidence.


26 posted on 03/27/2008 7:10:27 PM PDT by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: blam
I too am descended from Norse invaders. I was reading about my Mother's Clan and many of the leaders including the head of the clan are participating in a DNA project which traces a gene passed by the Y chromosone.

The results are interesting although all they do is verify what they already knew. They came from the Inner Hebrides, but before that they can be traced to Scandinavia.

Of course it would do me no good to test as my Mother was a member of the clan.

27 posted on 03/27/2008 7:11:28 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam

Yep—that’s me—the 390-24. Further, I understand that the DYS-392-14 (also in my haplotype) is particularly Irish.


28 posted on 03/27/2008 7:12:04 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: blam

“Scientists have detected the faint genetic traces left by medieval crusaders in the Middle East.”

FAINT genetic traces, my foot. Visit Turkey, Syria and the Palestinian area in general and you’ll meet people with blue eyes and blond hair. These are the areas that were in the path that the Crusaders took on their way to the Holy Land. Does anyone think that the Crusaders practiced celibacy?


29 posted on 03/27/2008 7:18:08 PM PDT by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: BGHater

Great Pics. Looks like anywhere (college town) USA.

Hope the muzzies don’t drag them back to the barbarian 7 th century


30 posted on 03/27/2008 7:19:38 PM PDT by Boblo
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31 posted on 03/27/2008 7:24:38 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: blam

There is an important Lebanese Christian family named Franjieh. I remember reading once that the name derives from “Franks” (the general term for people from Western Europe) and that they believed themselves descended from the Crusaders. The DNA results would tend to bear that out (although I don’t know if any Franjiehs were included in the study).


32 posted on 03/27/2008 7:26:36 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: blam
I had my DNA checked by these folks. My yDNA is R1b and my mtDNA is 'V'.

So, you are typically British/NW European stock.

Both R1b and V come from the Basque area Franco-Iberian ice age refuge after the last glacial maximum, V beginning around 16k year ago and spreading north along the coast from the southern refuge after the LGM. V is not as common as the H haplogroup but R1b has about 90% frequency in the Basque region and spread from the southern refuge about the same time.

All of this is from "The Origins of the British" by Stephen Oppenheimer, part of my current reading list.

33 posted on 03/27/2008 7:37:40 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: 353FMG

There were blue eyes and blond haired people near and around the Mediterranean long before the Crusaders showed up.


34 posted on 03/27/2008 7:38:29 PM PDT by madison10
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To: blam

I think we do too — Nordic invaders in Britain. Last time we were there, we stayed at a B&B in Northumberland. The guy there looked EXACTLY like my Norwegian grandfather. They could have been brothers. I thot, ‘Hmmm, and the Vikings stopped here, for sure.’


35 posted on 03/27/2008 7:58:48 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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"All of this is from "The Origins of the British" by Stephen Oppenheimer, part of my current reading list."

Thanks. I know all that, lol. I read Oppenheimer's book a couple years ago along with Bryan Syke's book Saxons, Vikings And Celts.

IMO, Oppenheimer's book is much better than Sykes' book.

BTW, 52% of the Skolt Sami are haplogroup 'V'....other Sami groups are U5b.

36 posted on 03/27/2008 8:28:23 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: seowulf

18,000 Year Ago

12,000 Years Ago

37 posted on 03/27/2008 8:37:25 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Pharmboy

I knew a Christian palestinian with a surname of Francis. Yep, he claimed descent from the Frankish crusaders. They are still around. His uncle was named George.


38 posted on 03/27/2008 8:38:14 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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"The guy there looked EXACTLY like my Norwegian grandfather."

The Blonde headed guy in ABBA looks exactly like my oldest brother. (Bless his soul)


39 posted on 03/27/2008 8:40:22 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: BGHater

Yeah. I see why the Crusaders decided to leave their Y chromosomes there.


40 posted on 03/27/2008 8:46:06 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: blam

According to the RLDS genealogy web site, I’m descended from the bog man.


41 posted on 03/28/2008 6:05:30 AM PDT by Mercat (If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue)
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To: Mercat

Bog man — you are so funny.


42 posted on 03/28/2008 6:38:27 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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"...I understand that the DYS-392-14 (also in my haplotype) is particularly Irish."

I have DYS392-13.

43 posted on 03/28/2008 6:47:29 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Bodies Of The Bog
44 posted on 03/28/2008 6:56:15 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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45 posted on 03/28/2008 8:14:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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Thanks,...I may have to check my DNA...


46 posted on 03/28/2008 8:49:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: blam
There are writings indicating certain Arab Chieftains employed Norse mercenaries... maybe they stayed? Who'd want to go home to Helga, ice and herrings?
47 posted on 03/28/2008 10:05:35 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: wastedyears
You are a direct descendant of almost everyone in history who had children who had children. All Europeans are (over 99% likely) the direct descendant of Charlemagne.
48 posted on 03/28/2008 10:12:25 AM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: investigateworld
Not just Arab chieftains; but also the famed Vangarian Guard of the Byzantine Emperors (modern day Istanbul Turkey).

A King of Norway, Harald Hardrade (hard to “read”) actually served in the Vangarian guard before being called back to Norway to be King.

49 posted on 03/28/2008 10:14:20 AM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: bboop

No, I’m serial. I just checked my data base but I can’t find his name. He only has one and he died about the time that the Romans invaded and it said he was sacrificed by his people and thrown into the bog to keep the Romans away. I guess that didn’t work out for him but he did manage to reproduce first.


50 posted on 03/28/2008 10:51:29 AM PDT by Mercat (If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue)
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