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Getting Mrs. Clinton [Peggy Noonan]
The Wall Street Journal ^ | March 28, 2008 | PEGGY NOONAN

Posted on 03/27/2008 8:02:30 PM PDT by Aristotelian

I think we've reached a signal point in the campaign. This is the point where, with Hillary Clinton, either you get it or you don't. There's no dodging now. You either understand the problem with her candidacy, or you don't. You either understand who she is, or not. And if you don't, after 16 years of watching Clintonian dramas, you probably never will.

That's what the Bosnia story was about. Her fictions about dodging bullets on the tarmac -- and we have to hope they were lies, because if they weren't, if she thought what she was saying was true, we are in worse trouble than we thought -- either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or revealed in an unforgettable way (videotape! Smiling girl in pigtails offering flowers!) what you feared (that she lies more than is humanly usual, even politically usual).

But either you get it now or you never will. That's the importance of the Bosnia tape.

Many in the press get it, to their dismay, and it makes them uncomfortable, for it sours life to have a person whose character you feel you cannot admire play such a large daily role in your work. But I think it's fair to say of the establishment media at this point that it is well populated by people who feel such a lack of faith in Mrs. Clinton's words and ways that it amounts to an aversion. They are offended by how she and her staff operate. They try hard to be fair. They constantly have to police themselves.

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The Clinton saga would be Shakespearean if it weren't so taudry.
1 posted on 03/27/2008 8:02:31 PM PDT by Aristotelian
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To: Aristotelian
The Clinton saga would be Shakespearean if it weren't so taudry.

Well put. You mean, if Shakespeare had lived in Appalachia?

2 posted on 03/27/2008 8:06:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: Aristotelian

Bump for later read.


3 posted on 03/27/2008 8:07:51 PM PDT by khnyny (Hillary is the national equivalent of Tracy Flick)
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To: Aristotelian
she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature

How is she any different than Obama or most politicians in this regard? They all tend to believe their own fantasies. That's the downside of "charisma."

4 posted on 03/27/2008 8:07:58 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: Aristotelian

Shakespearean in the sense the Clinton Library and Massage parlor looks like a mobile home on stilts? bwahahaha. Hey Hillary is finally getting her due attention by the media who for so long fawned over the both of them. This can not be all bad!


5 posted on 03/27/2008 8:10:34 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Aristotelian

I waiting for the Hildabeast to have so much frustration that she kicks Huma in the rear.


6 posted on 03/27/2008 8:11:01 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Aristotelian

The Democrats and the Media (but I repeat myself) defended the clintons for 8 long years. They don’t deserve anyone better now.


7 posted on 03/27/2008 8:15:00 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Aristotelian

I wonder if Peggy will declare for Obama.


8 posted on 03/27/2008 8:15:53 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Aristotelian
The Clinton saga would be Shakespearean if it weren't so taudry.

Bingo, nailed and Zing!

9 posted on 03/27/2008 8:17:58 PM PDT by fullchroma
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To: the invisib1e hand
That comment was unkind and inappropriate. I live in the Southern end of Appalachia. I am seeking to represent the 11th District of North Carolina in Congress, and knock Heath Shuler, the accidental Democrat incumbent, out of office.

I just returned from a two-hour televised debate with all three Republican candidates, followed by the monthly dinner meeting of the Republicans in one of the more rural of the 15 counties in my District.

These are salt of the Earth people. These are hard-working, practical people. These are people you can trust with your life -- and many Americans do exactly that, since young men and women in this area are more likely than elsewhere to join the US military and serve well wherever they are sent.

I am ashamed of the Clintons, both of them. But then, so are most of the people in my District, including the Republicans, most of the independents, and some of the Democrats. Please do not tar us with the Clinton brush.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "The Uber-Nigerian Scam"

Help a Freeper into Congress.

10 posted on 03/27/2008 8:18:12 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Aristotelian
Hillary = LIAR

Obama = LOONEY

McCain = LIBERAL

Scary, isn't it?

11 posted on 03/27/2008 8:19:32 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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To: Aristotelian

“Many in the press get it, to their dismay, and it makes them uncomfortable, for it sours life to have a person whose character you feel you cannot admire play such a large daily role in your work.”

Many in the press have been defending this phony for as long as I can remember and should be begging the American people for forgiveness. Hillary, crawl back under the Little Rock you crawled out from under and take your husband with you.


12 posted on 03/27/2008 8:20:14 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

The tale of the Scorpion and the Frog comes to mind.


14 posted on 03/27/2008 8:25:36 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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To: Aristotelian
But she cannot admit to herself that she can lose. Because Clintons don't lose. She can't figure out how to win, and she can't accept the idea of not winning. She cannot accept that this nobody from nowhere could have beaten her, quietly and silently, every day. (She cannot accept that she still doesn't know how he did it!)

Damn fine bit of writing by Ms. Noonan.

15 posted on 03/27/2008 8:27:31 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: Defiant

The Wall Street Journal is excerpt and link only. Please do not add on more to a properly excerpted article in a response. Thanks.


16 posted on 03/27/2008 8:28:12 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Aristotelian

Hillary is a pig in a poke.


17 posted on 03/27/2008 8:30:08 PM PDT by mojo114
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To: the invisib1e hand

if Shakespeare had lived in Appalachia?

Yes.
Scene: A trailor park in Arkansas.
in the laundry room Hillery! frantically
scrubbing at blue dress.

Hillery!: “Out! Out! Damned Spot!”

Voice from next room.

Bill: “ Honey, when you’re in Bosnia, pick up some
more Beer-nuts, and watch out for snipers.”

Hillery!: (Grumbling) “Sure send me to Bosnia for
Beer-nuts while he sits around and watches the Hooters
channel.”

Hillery!: (loudly) “Of course dear, it will be good for my foreign policy portfolio.”

Fade to black.


18 posted on 03/27/2008 8:33:17 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Aristotelian

What, really, is Mrs. Clinton doing? She is having the worst case of cognitive dissonance in the history of modern politics. She cannot come up with a credible, realistic path to the nomination. She can’t trace the line from “this moment’s difficulties” to “my triumphant end.” But she cannot admit to herself that she can lose. Because Clintons don’t lose. She can’t figure out how to win, and she can’t accept the idea of not winning. She cannot accept that this nobody from nowhere could have beaten her, quietly and silently, every day. She cannot accept that she still doesn’t know how he did it!


Wow. Peg can really lower the boom.


19 posted on 03/27/2008 8:34:16 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Aristotelian
Hillary Clinton's illusions of grandeur and narcissism is so vast in scope she can actually believe the tales she spins because in her mind she is omnipotent.

When has she ever been challenged by those loyalists who surround her? She's not because they won't dare. Her anger is legion if betrayed. She blames others for her very visible flaws and shortcomings.

The press has not challenged her up until recently and she fumes lashing out at them for their questions, including her daughter and husband.

Hillary's Bosnia Sniper Fire lie did not have to be told, but she recklessly told a bald faced lie without ever considering that she would be caught lying and expects us to agree with her that she is only human and to lie is human. The empress has no clothes.

20 posted on 03/27/2008 8:36:02 PM PDT by harpo11 (Rush, had better have a back-up strategy just in case the third term grabbing Clintons win the WH.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
It's different with the Clintons they are congenital liars. They lie when they don't have to. It's who they are.
21 posted on 03/27/2008 8:36:28 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: killermosquito

Hillary, crawl back under the Little Rock you crawled out from under and take your husband with you.”

Are we assuming Little Rock wants them back?????


22 posted on 03/27/2008 8:37:03 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Congressman Billybob

“I am seeking to represent the 11th District of North Carolina in Congress, and knock Heath Shuler, the accidental Democrat incumbent, out of office.
I just returned from a two-hour televised debate with all three Republican candidates, followed by the monthly dinner meeting of the Republicans in one of the more rural of the 15 counties in my District.”


Congressman Billy Bob,

If I lived in your District, I’d vote for you. If I was a Dimocrat, I guess I could vote for you anyway, but I’m not so I can’t.


23 posted on 03/27/2008 8:39:05 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: TChad
LOL

Essyist Noonon writes...But I think it's fair to say of the establishment media ... feel such a lack of faith in Mrs. Clinton's words and ...[t]hey are offended by how she and her staff operate. They try hard to be fair. They constantly have to police themselves.

Peggy Noonan.

This might be a good time for you to quit sniffing glue.

24 posted on 03/27/2008 8:39:47 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"They all tend to believe their own fantasies. That's the downside of "charisma."

Peggy Noonan bought into Obama/Osama's charisma hook, line and sinker when he made that speech about Rev. J Wright.

25 posted on 03/27/2008 8:41:45 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Aristotelian

Clinton Pilot: ‘No evasive maneuver, I tell ya’...

From the Rusty Humphries show. For a short time there was a link on Drudge:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/68124.html


26 posted on 03/27/2008 8:41:46 PM PDT by zipper ( Suicide voting is the quickest way to send the whole country to Hell.)
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To: Aristotelian
...either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature)...Old Southern saying - some people would rather climb a tree to lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.........
27 posted on 03/27/2008 8:47:09 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: zipper

This is at the end of the Noonan article,classic.

What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: “Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy.” Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. “She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself.” Then she turned to his wounds. “She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood.”


28 posted on 03/27/2008 8:47:35 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Aristotelian
Noonan is having fun with bold conjecture to the point of truth in celebrity town. It's like fun with Dick and Liz.
29 posted on 03/27/2008 8:50:50 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Senator Goldwater

Mrs. Clinton cannot accept what is happening because she thinks she has already bought and paid for the presidency. She suffered through Bill’s infidelities, the eight years in the White House as a nobody, then schlepping for New Yorkers and pretending to be a moderate for almost eight years to get supporters for her coronation as the Democratic candidate for 2008. Using her legal education, she believes she has done her part of the contract, paid the consideration, and someone isn’t performing their part, i.e., handing her the presidency. Her husband, New Yorkers, her fellow politicians, the voters, the media, all have failed to realize she is the anointed one and failed to perform their parts of the bargain.

I think she truly believes that, in the exteme situation, God will step in to ensure she is the next president because she is the new messiah. That’s why she won’t consider giving up before at least August and perhaps even November even if Obama is the Democratic Party’s choice at the convention.


30 posted on 03/27/2008 8:51:07 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Aristotelian

And if she manages to pull it off, which she still might,especially if she puts Willie in charge, we’re all going to have a collective heart attack, the Limbo loudmouth will celebrate, because there’ll be no effing way that Bob Dole 2008 can beat her in November, and the toothpaste and lemon vodka advertisers will all rush to fill Limbo’s pockets!


31 posted on 03/27/2008 9:01:34 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: killermosquito; All

“Many in the press get it, to their dismay, and it makes them uncomfortable, for it sours life to have a person whose character you feel you cannot admire play such a large daily role in your work.”

Wow! Pretty much an admission that the media is totally in the bag for the democrats.


32 posted on 03/27/2008 9:09:15 PM PDT by vlad335
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To: Slump Tester; the invisib1e hand; Seaplaner
Peggy Noonan bought into Obama/Osama's charisma hook, line and sinker when he made that speech about Rev. J Wright.

She has also bought into the MSM fantasy that Obama has somehow already "won." This is false. The truth is that neither candidate has any chance to win on the basis of pledged delegates. Obama is only very marginally better positioned to argue for a win than Clinton. Many of the states he has won are states the DemocRATs cannot carry.

Is Clinton really a bigger liar than Obama?

Barack claimed to have been a law professor. Uh, no.

Barack claimed to have been conceived as a result of a meeting at the Selma March. Um, not chronologically possible.

He said he had not spoken sub rosa to the Canadians in re: NAFTA. Well yes, it turns out, he did.

His demurrals and disclaimers with respect to Wright are clearly lies.

And of course, the things these two tell the truth about are even worse...

What is it about candidate Clinton which makes her, in Peggy Noonan's eyes, the greater evil?

Beats me. I know who I'm voting for on April 22.

33 posted on 03/27/2008 9:09:33 PM PDT by FredZarguna (PA's newest and shortest term DemocRAT: 16:55 3/24-8:05 4/23/2008.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I learned it as...

H = Huron
O = Ontario
M = Michigan
S = Superior

Wait, what happened to the “E”???


34 posted on 03/27/2008 9:10:11 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: caseinpoint

Mrs. Clinton cannot accept what is happening because she thinks she has already bought and paid for the presidency. She suffered through Bill’s infidelities, the eight years in the White House as a nobody, then schlepping for New Yorkers and pretending to be a moderate for almost eight years to get supporters for her coronation as the Democratic candidate for 2008. Using her legal education, she believes she has done her part of the contract, paid the consideration, and someone isn’t performing their part, i.e., handing her the presidency. Her husband, New Yorkers, her fellow politicians, the voters, the media, all have failed to realize she is the anointed one and failed to perform their parts of the bargain.


Perfect. Well said.

This ought to be emailed to Mrs Noonan.


35 posted on 03/27/2008 9:10:17 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Aristotelian

Least we forget - the other democratic candidate has had his own instances of “misspeaking”...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18564159/


36 posted on 03/27/2008 9:12:27 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: caseinpoint

She is never going to give up and I think this is finally dawning on the liberal media. They realize now that they have to take her out. The whole Hillary/Bosnia story is old and we here have known about it for how long? She tells this same lie in her book which has been out for years and only now the media picks up on it?

Anyone who thinks this country has a free press needs to have their head examined. It’s nothing more than Pravda for the DNC.


37 posted on 03/27/2008 9:20:34 PM PDT by vlad335
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To: Patrick1

Yep, brilliant!


38 posted on 03/27/2008 9:20:38 PM PDT by karnage
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To: the invisib1e hand

Hmmm, Shakespeare wrote about tawdry people, another word for tawdry is ignoble. just that they were rich and powerful. Caesar’s circle of friends for example or Lady Macbeth. King Lear. Hamlet’s relatives. Yike.

Shakespeare would’ve made a good living today with all the wonderful inspiration we could give him.

However, you can imagine a Midsummer nights dream coming on the months before this election, and who will be Bottom?

“Methought I was.......and methought I had....”


39 posted on 03/27/2008 9:22:39 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Seaplaner

I think Peggy has been in the media so long she has Stockholm syndrome. Unfortunately, she is the last to realize it.


40 posted on 03/27/2008 9:26:16 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: vlad335

“Anyone who thinks this country has a free press needs to have their head examined. It’s nothing more than Pravda for the DNC.”

We have a free press, even more so since the internet was invented (thanks, Al). What it isn’t is neutral, nor could it ever be so. That’s is what is so cloying about the press’s pretensions to even-handedness, even at Fox, the so-called “We report, you decide” network. It simply isn’t possible to be unbiased. Each person sees facts and presents facts through their personal template of experience and biases. I used to get absolutely livid hearing Walter Cronkite do his signature sign-off for years, “And that’s the way it is . . . “. I would be shouting in my mind, “No, that’s the way you and your cronies see it. It isn’t the way it is.”

The problem isn’t that the press is biased. It can’t help but be biased. It’s that it pretends to be unbiased and expects us to believe it. Then it works so hard to counter anything that challenges its biases primarily through censorship, especially of the internet and talk radio while also pretending to be the champion of the First Amendment.


41 posted on 03/27/2008 9:31:20 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Aristotelian
"The Clinton saga would be Shakespearean if it weren't so taudry."

Inviting Hillary for lunch with Polonius.

42 posted on 03/27/2008 9:45:14 PM PDT by spokeshave (Hey GOP...NO money till border closed and criminal illegals deported)
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To: the invisib1e hand; tet68
You mean, if Shakespeare had lived in Appalachia?

She is Illinois and Arkansas trash. That is nowhere near Appalachia. If you're going to be a bigot, at least use appropriate stereotypes.

43 posted on 03/27/2008 9:47:03 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (Sadly, the grown-ups don't run the GOP.)
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To: Seaplaner
LOL

As a long time Noonan fan, I'm sorry to say that I was completely serious. In case you missed her recent public love note to the Obamessiah, you can read it here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120604775960652829.html

Peggy seems to regard politics as a form of theater, and she is drawn to any politician who can put on a compelling performance. Obama's liberalism doesn't matter to her, nor his fraudulence, not his demagoguery, nor the vile company he keeps. He puts on a good show, and that's all Peggy cares about.

Reagan would have fired the current Peggy Noonan in a millisecond.

44 posted on 03/27/2008 10:05:13 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Admin Moderator
Um, that one paragraph excerpt in my post was a quote that Peggy Noonan lifted from someone named GI Joe on a forum somewhere. None of it was from the WSJ, they just repeated it.

Don't be too quick on the trigger.

45 posted on 03/27/2008 10:12:57 PM PDT by Defiant (McCain's big vein drains mainly from his brain.)
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To: Defiant

The quote was from a blog on politico.com.


46 posted on 03/27/2008 10:16:11 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad

My thoughts too. Her appearance in last week’s MTP was disgusting.


47 posted on 03/27/2008 10:30:26 PM PDT by indcons (A lie repeated 100 times becomes the truth - ChiCom pedophile Chairman Mao)
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To: TChad

Thanks. Too bad, I was hoping it was from a freeper.


48 posted on 03/27/2008 10:32:23 PM PDT by Defiant (McCain's big vein drains mainly from his brain.)
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To: fullchroma

Out Out! Damned Buddy.


49 posted on 03/27/2008 10:42:27 PM PDT by OeOeO
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To: Aristotelian

If this were a mere run at class president I wouldn’t mind so much. But this is for President of the United States. If there is a divine power, he’d/she’d better act soon to prevent this country’s destruction.


50 posted on 03/27/2008 10:56:00 PM PDT by budwiesest (Half of us don't want to be a part of 'us'. They want a new 'us'.)
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