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Florida Sen. Nelson Proposes Scrapping Electoral College In Reform Package
FOXNews.com ^ | 03/28/2008 | Trish Turner

Posted on 03/28/2008 3:37:52 AM PDT by CapnJack

In a state that has seen its share of electoral problems this decade, Florida’s senior Sen. Bill Nelson made a rare appearance before the state Senate Thursday to unveil sweeping federal election reform legislation that would eliminate the Electoral College. As the state now wrestles with the national Democratic Party to find a solution to seat its 210 delegates at this year’s presidential nominating convention, Nelson noted that “the solution is very elusive,” but that, “If nothing else, this election has provided further evidence that our system is broken.” The Democratic senator, who sued the Democratic National Committee and Chairman Howard Dean last year for stripping Florida of all its delegates, in his reform bill proposes eliminating the Electoral College and giving American citizens direct election of their presidents by popular vote.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 110th; billnelson; electoralcollege; unconstitutional
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I find this a highly unlikely probability of becoming law, but just the idea of piss-ant politicians wanting to destroy what the Founding Fathers put in place to provide for fair representation throught out the country, is just sickening beyond compare.

Why is it these America haters always want to change the rules when things don't go their way? Why is it they say the "System is broken" when they loose?

Being a NH resident I do not want to see us loose the "1st in the Nation Primary" (refering to his proposal of 6 regional primarys during elections years). But why oh why does everything have to change to fit the way the Libs want it to?

1 posted on 03/28/2008 3:37:53 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: CapnJack
“But why oh why does everything have to change to fit the way the Libs want it to”

Spend time with some little snot-nosed, spoiled brat kid and you'll have your answer....:)

2 posted on 03/28/2008 3:43:43 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: CapnJack

“In a state that has seen its share of electoral problems this decade, Florida’s senior Sen. Bill Nelson made a rare appearance before the state Senate Thursday to unveil sweeping federal election reform legislation that would eliminate the Electoral College.”

hmmmmmm - This is a baaaaaaad idea.


3 posted on 03/28/2008 3:44:33 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Once you give up your integrity, the rest is downhill)
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To: CapnJack

I’m sure 36 states will agree to let the biggest three or four decide who all future Presidents will be. :)


4 posted on 03/28/2008 3:46:07 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: CapnJack
In a state that has seen its share of electoral problems this decade, Florida’s senior Sen. Bill Nelson made a rare appearance before the state Senate Thursday to unveil sweeping federal election reform legislation that would eliminate the Electoral College.

Apparently, how the Constitution works was left out of Nelson's schooling. No matter how sweeping the legislation, it still isn't an amendment or a constitutional convention.

5 posted on 03/28/2008 3:47:01 AM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: CapnJack
“I find this a highly unlikely probability of becoming law, but just the idea of piss-ant politicians wanting to destroy what the Founding Fathers put in place to provide for fair representation throught out the country, is just sickening beyond compare.”

Agree for sure; this gets my you know what hot as well. If the Electoral College should ever be scrapped and we should go to a direct vote,the small states would become essentially powerless. And, who knows, the Law of Unintended Consequences being what it is, could cause some interesting developments such as consolidation of some of the lesser populated states into one. Heck, being most of the lightly populated states are Red States, maybe something even better might happen. Well, I can dream can't I?

6 posted on 03/28/2008 3:48:07 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: CapnJack

Didn’t Nelson take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States upon taking office? Wouldn’t his present actions be a violation of that oath?


7 posted on 03/28/2008 3:49:47 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Artemis Webb

oops...38.


8 posted on 03/28/2008 3:49:58 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: CapnJack

if it was up to the libs, there would be just super delegates and no voters.


9 posted on 03/28/2008 3:53:02 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: CapnJack

The Socialist argument for eliminating the electoral college is disingenuous. Doing so means Presidents will be selected either through the domination of one populous region over others or the domination of metropolitan areas over rural areas.

Metropolitan areas have a majority of Socialists. It encourages Presidential candidates to bring together coalitions of states instead of supporting regional differences.


10 posted on 03/28/2008 3:53:31 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Artemis Webb
Last time I looked, there were 13 states with 3 or 4 EVs.

Fifty minus thirteen is 37, is 37 three-fourths of fifty?

YOU DO THE MATH!

11 posted on 03/28/2008 3:54:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: snoringbear

Eliminating the Electoral College would undo one of the fundamental compromises that allowed the 13 colonies to come together as the United States. Any state would be fully justified in withdrawing from the union if its rights were violated by such a change in the basic compact under which it joined.


12 posted on 03/28/2008 3:55:07 AM PDT by JTR1888
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To: Dahoser

As a Floridian, I have been embarrassed that this beady-eyed, Jimmie Carter grinin’, puposely slow talking, phoney is one of my Senators. Be that as it may, I am even more embarrassed the other one atually calls himself a Republican.

Bill Nelson is known as one of those guys who does the “I’m justlike y’all” charm dance every time he is due for election just like Bob Graham did. Once the deal is set, he goes right back to being the Democrat lap dog trying to earn his next Dog Bone with the far left.


13 posted on 03/28/2008 3:55:18 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: CapnJack
This guy still can't get over 2000?

Come on man, let it go!

14 posted on 03/28/2008 3:55:56 AM PDT by pnh102
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To: CapnJack
If nothing else, this election has provided further evidence that our system is broken

No, that is your party's problem and does not require a rewrite of the Constitution to fix. Look in the mirror.

15 posted on 03/28/2008 3:56:43 AM PDT by doodad
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To: CapnJack
At my best I'm fairly easy to confuse. It's early in the AM so I'm utterly befuddled. What does a state senate have to do with this? Is he saying Florida should abolish Florida's participation in the electoral college?

I know, Nelson is simply looking for a launching place for a nonsense speech that won't avail much in Constitutional-Amendment-Speak.

I wonder if the "system" would be "broken" if the liberals had a candidate that was truly popular, even among Democrats.

16 posted on 03/28/2008 4:01:57 AM PDT by stevem
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To: CapnJack

Self-serving piece of legislation if ever I’ve seen one. They’re still po’d over losing the last two elections.

This one should be a non-starter but they’ll spend millions of our tax dollars to eventually say so.


17 posted on 03/28/2008 4:06:22 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: mazda77
As a Floridian, I have been embarrassed that this beady-eyed, Jimmie Carter grinin’, puposely slow talking, phoney is one of my Senators.

As a Tennessean, I'm embarrassed for you. Nelson comes off as one of the dimmest of the dim bulbs in Congress. If his "aw shucks" demeanor is an act, he missed his calling. Since he's probably not acting, it's further evidence that we should require IQ tests anyone who wants to run for Congress and there are many, many other examples.....

18 posted on 03/28/2008 4:10:00 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: CapnJack

Agreed, but FYI, I believe that it would take an amendment to the Constitution to bring this about, or at least I hope so, because it would NEVER pass!


19 posted on 03/28/2008 4:10:04 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: CapnJack
I find this a highly unlikely probability of becoming law, but just the idea of piss-ant politicians wanting to destroy what the Founding Fathers put in place to provide for fair representation throught out the country, is just sickening beyond compare.

I agree that its unlikely. Consitutional Amendments require 80% of the states to agree to them. There aren't too many small states that are going to 'shoot themselves in the foot' by agreeing to such a change.

20 posted on 03/28/2008 4:16:17 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Thermalseeker

And drug tests.


21 posted on 03/28/2008 4:17:07 AM PDT by doodad
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To: CapnJack
Florida Sen. Nelson Proposes Scrapping Electoral College In Reform Package is dumb enough to think he's smarter than James Madison

There is not one person in Washington, DC right now who can be trusted to tinker with the system established by our nation's founders.
22 posted on 03/28/2008 4:17:55 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Jim Noble

Me?
Do math?
You’re scarin’ me!


23 posted on 03/28/2008 4:23:48 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: CapnJack
Bill wants to have California, New York, Illinois and the other small left-wing anti-American states elect the Democrat dictators so the rest of us will be under the yore of pro Communist scum.

The reason for the electoral College was for the purpose of making sure all states had a say and not just the most populated as is California with illegal aliens who will run the country if this becomes part of the Constitution.

Repeal the 17th Amendment so we can get some real Americans in the US Senate.

25 posted on 03/28/2008 4:29:44 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: CapnJack

RATS, simply Rats!


26 posted on 03/28/2008 4:30:02 AM PDT by machenation ("it can't happen here" Frank Zappa)
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To: Thermalseeker

“If his “aw shucks” demeanor is an act, he missed his calling. Since he’s probably not acting, it’s further evidence that we should require IQ tests anyone who wants to run for Congress and there are many, many other examples..”

He was an astronaut so I don’t think its real. He’s a very intelligent socialist who has led a privileged life.


27 posted on 03/28/2008 4:33:53 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: CapnJack

If they remove the electoral college they should get rid of the senate too. If they want a true democracy there’s no need for the senate.


28 posted on 03/28/2008 4:35:55 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (Deport them all... Let God sort them out!)
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To: CapnJack

Oh yeah, we should so take election ideas from FL.


29 posted on 03/28/2008 4:36:52 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: driftdiver
He was an astronaut so I don’t think its real. He’s a very intelligent socialist who has led a privileged life.

Going to college, getting a degree and becoming an astronaut doesn't make you smart any more than going into a barn makes you a horse. There are A LOT of folks with very high achievements in academia who can't tie their own shoes, figuratively speaking. I've met and worked with a lot of folks who fit that description.....brilliantly book smart, but dumb as a rock when it comes to what used to be called "common sense".....

30 posted on 03/28/2008 4:51:01 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: CapnJack

And we want the democrats, who phuck-up so badly with their Florida and Michigan mess now, to redesign our electoral system...no thanx...The dems want proportional wins in their primaries and this is how Obama get his unusually large share of pledged delegates...if the dems are using the Rep. rules, the Hildabeast would be in the clear lead after “her” wins in Ohio and Texas.


31 posted on 03/28/2008 4:53:20 AM PDT by Mika4life
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To: CapnJack

The beauty of the Electoral college is that it (somewhat) deters politicians from pandering to the most populous parts of the country while ignoring the backwaters. I think Nelson from Nebraska proposed this. Makes me wonder, ‘cause Nebraska would be ignored even more than it already is under his proposal.


32 posted on 03/28/2008 5:00:37 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: CapnJack

the more I hear Nelson talk the more comvinced I am that someone switched Nitrous Oxide for Oxygen when he went into space-this guy is a goof.


33 posted on 03/28/2008 5:01:32 AM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: CapnJack
Being a NH resident I do not want to see us loose the "1st in the Nation Primary" to fit the way the Libs want it to?

Maybe the conservative red Southern states are tired of RINO's being picked year after year. I have said over and over on FR that a Southern Democrat, like Zell Miller or Mary Landrieau is always more conservative than a Northern Republican like Jeffords. Why let the liberal Northeast ever pick our nominee again, I wonder, we will get a RINO every time. If we want a true conservative Republican nominee, the first states to vote in the primary should be: Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma with probably Utah, Alaska, and the Dakotas voting soon after.

34 posted on 03/28/2008 5:02:04 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: CapnJack

Oh yeah...so NY,CA,FL,NJ could choose the President for the rest of the USA. I’m sure all the states with mid-to-small populations will really go for that.
I thought astronauts had to be intelligent, but apparently not.


35 posted on 03/28/2008 5:04:21 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: advance_copy

Bill Nelson is dumb enough to think he’s smarter than Al Gore..... Between him and Mel we should just scrap the senate as well, after all the Electoral College system was set up to mirror the legistlative branch.. Whats good for the goose is good for the dumbass senator.


36 posted on 03/28/2008 5:05:00 AM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: pnh102
This guy still can't get over 2000?

Come on man, let it go!

The dims don't get over ANY election they lose. They think being in power is their birthright. If I really replied with my thoughts about the dims, either my reply would look like this:


Comment # --- removed by Moderator.

Or I would be banned.
37 posted on 03/28/2008 5:05:52 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (His middle name is NOT Hussein for being a Christian.)
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To: Dahoser

This will be one of the results of a Dem controlling the WH and Congress. This, plus the Fairness Doctrine.

You are correct, this is not an amendment. BUT, they will find ways around this - as some states already have. They will lean on states to adopt a rule that instructs their electors to cast their votes for the winner of the national popular vote - not the winner of their state’s popular vote.

Remember, the constitution does NOT specify that electors have to vote as pledged.

This is at the core of my tag line, and why this election is not like the election of Carter. If we hand this election to Obama, it will NOT beget the second coming of Reagan - it will be the death of America as we know it.


38 posted on 03/28/2008 5:09:05 AM PDT by StatenIsland (The '08 Election: It's about the survival of our country, not making a point...)
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To: Dahoser

Fortuneately, our Founding Fathers had the insight to anticipate A##holes like this.


39 posted on 03/28/2008 5:12:30 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: JTR1888

Excellent point. why is this so difficult for dems to understand?
If we allow the larger states to pick the president, we would be living in a tyrrany similar to that of the one we revolted against back then.

Times like this make me wish I lived in Texas.


40 posted on 03/28/2008 5:14:53 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: NRG1973
I think, if I read the article correctly, that he's proposing a change for Florida only which is, of course, the only thing that could be changed without a (Federal) Constitutional amendment.

The Constitution does allow each state to establish how they will be represented in the college.

For instance Maine and Nebraska are different from the others in that they don't do a winner take all but instead use the "District Model" of allocation of delegates based on district by district votes.

Then on the other hand perhaps he's a complete idiot.

41 posted on 03/28/2008 5:17:04 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Election 2008: What Clayton Williams said)
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To: Yankee

That’s the Democrat MO: Create (yes, create) a problem, then blame the rest of us and demand a solution.


42 posted on 03/28/2008 5:19:07 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: NRG1973

Nope, in rereading I’m wrong and you’re right, he’s a complete idiot.


43 posted on 03/28/2008 5:20:07 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Election 2008: What Clayton Williams said)
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To: CapnJack

The 2000 mess was contrived by the Supreme Court of Florida which decided to alter its lawful election procedures after the completion of the election that year. The result was a smackdown by the US Supreme Court 7 - 2 which told the Florida Court that it had to abide by its own laws - what a concept. The second trip to the US Supreme Court, 5 - 4 decided Florida didn’t have time to recount the votes in the lawfully prescribed time period.

The massive efforts of the zany, ultra, mega, wacky, freaky, far left to undo a lawful election had failed. And they have never stopped the childish whining. Now, their efforts to destroy the US centers around undoing a procedure contrived by men of much weightier stuff that Senator Nelson. I cannot trust any current representative to design a fair tax system, I surely cannot trust any of them to redesign the US government. 2000 was not the first time a person won the election without a majority of votes cast. In fact, the impeached former president Clinton deserves the designation as the only person to serve two terms as president while NEVER receiving a majority of votes cast.
What a sour, whiny bunch of sore losers.


44 posted on 03/28/2008 5:20:57 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: CapnJack
I find the idea that any Democrat, especially a Democrat from Florida, could possibly come up with an intelligent solution to election problems.

Aren't the dems still trying to figure out which Texas delegates will be seated at the convention? And here they want to impose their thought process on the whole country.

45 posted on 03/28/2008 5:21:39 AM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: CapnJack

This is the surest way to cause the Balkanization of the US.

Why not just do away with the law requiring 2 Senators from each state and just vote for our Senators on a national basis, regardless of which state they’re from? So what if we have 10 senators from CA, 10 from NY and 8 or so from IL and NJ? That prospect is absurd, but no different than what Nelson is proposing by eliminating the Electoral College.


46 posted on 03/28/2008 5:26:15 AM PDT by randita (I'm a "typical white person" and I voted for Lynn Swann.)
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To: CapnJack

Nelson is one of those rare politicians who has his own “machine” independent of the party.

He is still a kook, but he is going to be hard to unseat.

FL would be stupid to pass this.


47 posted on 03/28/2008 5:26:58 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Salamander

when this fails, the left will scream for european style “proportional representation parlementary style”

in order to guarantee them seats.


48 posted on 03/28/2008 5:28:01 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: CapnJack
The Dems are mad because they haven't been able to come up with an electoral strategery that suits them, while the Republicans have been very successful with theirs.

Always remember that in the few months before the 2000 presidential election, the Dems thought that they would win the EC and lose the popular vote, so newspapers at the time were full of op-eds about the sanctity of the EC. Now that they can't figure it out they want to kill it in the name of "democracy" just as they killed the states' voices in the Senate with the 17th Amendment.

49 posted on 03/28/2008 5:30:10 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: NRG1973

You fail to factor in the stupidity of the American people. Factor that in and it has a good chance to pass.

Despite what the politicians, university professors, and main stream say, Our system of government was never meant to be a democracy. We were set up as a Representative Republic.

A democracy is mob rule, nothng more, nothing less. But the Democrat Party ,so long a they rule the mob is o.k. with that.


50 posted on 03/28/2008 5:30:36 AM PDT by sport
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