Skip to comments.Florida Sen. Nelson Proposes Scrapping Electoral College In Reform Package
Posted on 03/28/2008 3:37:52 AM PDT by CapnJack
In a state that has seen its share of electoral problems this decade, Floridas senior Sen. Bill Nelson made a rare appearance before the state Senate Thursday to unveil sweeping federal election reform legislation that would eliminate the Electoral College. As the state now wrestles with the national Democratic Party to find a solution to seat its 210 delegates at this years presidential nominating convention, Nelson noted that the solution is very elusive, but that, If nothing else, this election has provided further evidence that our system is broken. The Democratic senator, who sued the Democratic National Committee and Chairman Howard Dean last year for stripping Florida of all its delegates, in his reform bill proposes eliminating the Electoral College and giving American citizens direct election of their presidents by popular vote.
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Why is it these America haters always want to change the rules when things don't go their way? Why is it they say the "System is broken" when they loose?
Being a NH resident I do not want to see us loose the "1st in the Nation Primary" (refering to his proposal of 6 regional primarys during elections years). But why oh why does everything have to change to fit the way the Libs want it to?
Spend time with some little snot-nosed, spoiled brat kid and you'll have your answer....:)
“In a state that has seen its share of electoral problems this decade, Floridas senior Sen. Bill Nelson made a rare appearance before the state Senate Thursday to unveil sweeping federal election reform legislation that would eliminate the Electoral College.”
hmmmmmm - This is a baaaaaaad idea.
I’m sure 36 states will agree to let the biggest three or four decide who all future Presidents will be. :)
Apparently, how the Constitution works was left out of Nelson's schooling. No matter how sweeping the legislation, it still isn't an amendment or a constitutional convention.
Agree for sure; this gets my you know what hot as well. If the Electoral College should ever be scrapped and we should go to a direct vote,the small states would become essentially powerless. And, who knows, the Law of Unintended Consequences being what it is, could cause some interesting developments such as consolidation of some of the lesser populated states into one. Heck, being most of the lightly populated states are Red States, maybe something even better might happen. Well, I can dream can't I?
Didn’t Nelson take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States upon taking office? Wouldn’t his present actions be a violation of that oath?
if it was up to the libs, there would be just super delegates and no voters.
The Socialist argument for eliminating the electoral college is disingenuous. Doing so means Presidents will be selected either through the domination of one populous region over others or the domination of metropolitan areas over rural areas.
Metropolitan areas have a majority of Socialists. It encourages Presidential candidates to bring together coalitions of states instead of supporting regional differences.
Fifty minus thirteen is 37, is 37 three-fourths of fifty?
YOU DO THE MATH!
Eliminating the Electoral College would undo one of the fundamental compromises that allowed the 13 colonies to come together as the United States. Any state would be fully justified in withdrawing from the union if its rights were violated by such a change in the basic compact under which it joined.
As a Floridian, I have been embarrassed that this beady-eyed, Jimmie Carter grinin’, puposely slow talking, phoney is one of my Senators. Be that as it may, I am even more embarrassed the other one atually calls himself a Republican.
Bill Nelson is known as one of those guys who does the “I’m justlike y’all” charm dance every time he is due for election just like Bob Graham did. Once the deal is set, he goes right back to being the Democrat lap dog trying to earn his next Dog Bone with the far left.
Come on man, let it go!
No, that is your party's problem and does not require a rewrite of the Constitution to fix. Look in the mirror.
I know, Nelson is simply looking for a launching place for a nonsense speech that won't avail much in Constitutional-Amendment-Speak.
I wonder if the "system" would be "broken" if the liberals had a candidate that was truly popular, even among Democrats.
Self-serving piece of legislation if ever I’ve seen one. They’re still po’d over losing the last two elections.
This one should be a non-starter but they’ll spend millions of our tax dollars to eventually say so.
As a Tennessean, I'm embarrassed for you. Nelson comes off as one of the dimmest of the dim bulbs in Congress. If his "aw shucks" demeanor is an act, he missed his calling. Since he's probably not acting, it's further evidence that we should require IQ tests anyone who wants to run for Congress and there are many, many other examples.....
Agreed, but FYI, I believe that it would take an amendment to the Constitution to bring this about, or at least I hope so, because it would NEVER pass!
I agree that its unlikely. Consitutional Amendments require 80% of the states to agree to them. There aren't too many small states that are going to 'shoot themselves in the foot' by agreeing to such a change.
And drug tests.
You’re scarin’ me!
The reason for the electoral College was for the purpose of making sure all states had a say and not just the most populated as is California with illegal aliens who will run the country if this becomes part of the Constitution.
Repeal the 17th Amendment so we can get some real Americans in the US Senate.
RATS, simply Rats!
“If his “aw shucks” demeanor is an act, he missed his calling. Since he’s probably not acting, it’s further evidence that we should require IQ tests anyone who wants to run for Congress and there are many, many other examples..”
He was an astronaut so I don’t think its real. He’s a very intelligent socialist who has led a privileged life.
If they remove the electoral college they should get rid of the senate too. If they want a true democracy there’s no need for the senate.
Oh yeah, we should so take election ideas from FL.
Going to college, getting a degree and becoming an astronaut doesn't make you smart any more than going into a barn makes you a horse. There are A LOT of folks with very high achievements in academia who can't tie their own shoes, figuratively speaking. I've met and worked with a lot of folks who fit that description.....brilliantly book smart, but dumb as a rock when it comes to what used to be called "common sense".....
And we want the democrats, who phuck-up so badly with their Florida and Michigan mess now, to redesign our electoral system...no thanx...The dems want proportional wins in their primaries and this is how Obama get his unusually large share of pledged delegates...if the dems are using the Rep. rules, the Hildabeast would be in the clear lead after “her” wins in Ohio and Texas.
The beauty of the Electoral college is that it (somewhat) deters politicians from pandering to the most populous parts of the country while ignoring the backwaters. I think Nelson from Nebraska proposed this. Makes me wonder, ‘cause Nebraska would be ignored even more than it already is under his proposal.
the more I hear Nelson talk the more comvinced I am that someone switched Nitrous Oxide for Oxygen when he went into space-this guy is a goof.
Maybe the conservative red Southern states are tired of RINO's being picked year after year. I have said over and over on FR that a Southern Democrat, like Zell Miller or Mary Landrieau is always more conservative than a Northern Republican like Jeffords. Why let the liberal Northeast ever pick our nominee again, I wonder, we will get a RINO every time. If we want a true conservative Republican nominee, the first states to vote in the primary should be: Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma with probably Utah, Alaska, and the Dakotas voting soon after.
Oh yeah...so NY,CA,FL,NJ could choose the President for the rest of the USA. I’m sure all the states with mid-to-small populations will really go for that.
I thought astronauts had to be intelligent, but apparently not.
Bill Nelson is dumb enough to think he’s smarter than Al Gore..... Between him and Mel we should just scrap the senate as well, after all the Electoral College system was set up to mirror the legistlative branch.. Whats good for the goose is good for the dumbass senator.
Come on man, let it go!
The dims don't get over ANY election they lose. They think being in power is their birthright. If I really replied with my thoughts about the dims, either my reply would look like this:
This will be one of the results of a Dem controlling the WH and Congress. This, plus the Fairness Doctrine.
You are correct, this is not an amendment. BUT, they will find ways around this - as some states already have. They will lean on states to adopt a rule that instructs their electors to cast their votes for the winner of the national popular vote - not the winner of their state’s popular vote.
Remember, the constitution does NOT specify that electors have to vote as pledged.
This is at the core of my tag line, and why this election is not like the election of Carter. If we hand this election to Obama, it will NOT beget the second coming of Reagan - it will be the death of America as we know it.
Fortuneately, our Founding Fathers had the insight to anticipate A##holes like this.
Excellent point. why is this so difficult for dems to understand?
If we allow the larger states to pick the president, we would be living in a tyrrany similar to that of the one we revolted against back then.
Times like this make me wish I lived in Texas.
The Constitution does allow each state to establish how they will be represented in the college.
For instance Maine and Nebraska are different from the others in that they don't do a winner take all but instead use the "District Model" of allocation of delegates based on district by district votes.
Then on the other hand perhaps he's a complete idiot.
That’s the Democrat MO: Create (yes, create) a problem, then blame the rest of us and demand a solution.
Nope, in rereading I’m wrong and you’re right, he’s a complete idiot.
The 2000 mess was contrived by the Supreme Court of Florida which decided to alter its lawful election procedures after the completion of the election that year. The result was a smackdown by the US Supreme Court 7 - 2 which told the Florida Court that it had to abide by its own laws - what a concept. The second trip to the US Supreme Court, 5 - 4 decided Florida didn’t have time to recount the votes in the lawfully prescribed time period.
The massive efforts of the zany, ultra, mega, wacky, freaky, far left to undo a lawful election had failed. And they have never stopped the childish whining. Now, their efforts to destroy the US centers around undoing a procedure contrived by men of much weightier stuff that Senator Nelson. I cannot trust any current representative to design a fair tax system, I surely cannot trust any of them to redesign the US government. 2000 was not the first time a person won the election without a majority of votes cast. In fact, the impeached former president Clinton deserves the designation as the only person to serve two terms as president while NEVER receiving a majority of votes cast.
What a sour, whiny bunch of sore losers.
Aren't the dems still trying to figure out which Texas delegates will be seated at the convention? And here they want to impose their thought process on the whole country.
This is the surest way to cause the Balkanization of the US.
Why not just do away with the law requiring 2 Senators from each state and just vote for our Senators on a national basis, regardless of which state they’re from? So what if we have 10 senators from CA, 10 from NY and 8 or so from IL and NJ? That prospect is absurd, but no different than what Nelson is proposing by eliminating the Electoral College.
Nelson is one of those rare politicians who has his own “machine” independent of the party.
He is still a kook, but he is going to be hard to unseat.
FL would be stupid to pass this.
when this fails, the left will scream for european style “proportional representation parlementary style”
in order to guarantee them seats.
Always remember that in the few months before the 2000 presidential election, the Dems thought that they would win the EC and lose the popular vote, so newspapers at the time were full of op-eds about the sanctity of the EC. Now that they can't figure it out they want to kill it in the name of "democracy" just as they killed the states' voices in the Senate with the 17th Amendment.
You fail to factor in the stupidity of the American people. Factor that in and it has a good chance to pass.
Despite what the politicians, university professors, and main stream say, Our system of government was never meant to be a democracy. We were set up as a Representative Republic.
A democracy is mob rule, nothng more, nothing less. But the Democrat Party ,so long a they rule the mob is o.k. with that.
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