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Former Terror Detainee Recalls Captivity (on 60 Minutes, of course)
cbsnews.com ^ | March 28, 2008 | not specified

Posted on 03/28/2008 11:43:59 AM PDT by RDTF

(CBS) A German resident held by the U.S. for almost five years tells 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley that Americans tortured him in many ways - including hanging him from the ceiling for five days early in his captivity when he was in Kandahar, Afghanistan.

Even after determining he was not a terrorist, Murat Kurnaz says the torture continued. Kurnaz tells his story for the first time on American television this Sunday, March 30, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

Kurnaz, an ethnic Turk born and raised in Germany, went to Pakistan in late 2001 at age 19 to study Islam and wound up in Pakistani police custody. It was three months after 9/11, and Kurnaz says the U.S. was offering bounties for suspicious foreigners. Kurnaz says he was "sold" to the Americans for $3,000 and brought to Kandahar as terrorist suspect.

He claims American troops tortured him in Afghanistan by holding his head underwater, administering electric shocks to the soles of his feet, and hanging him suspended from the ceiling of an aircraft hangar and kept alive by doctors. "Every five or six hours they came and pulled me back down and the doctor came," he recalls. "He looked into my eyes. He checked my heart and when he said 'okay,' then they pulled me back up," he tells Pelley.

The U.S. Pentagon responding by e-mail says, "We treat all detainees humanely… and all credible claims are investigated thoroughly…. The abuses Mr. Kurnaz alleges are not only unsubstantiated and implausible, they are simply outlandish."

Kurnaz, who has told his story to European investigators, says "[It] doesn’t matter whatever they will say. The truth will not change… this is the truth."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2001; 200112; 60minutes; bleedingheartattack; cbs; cbsnews; detainees; gitmo; idema; kandahar; kurnaz; libmyths; muratkurnaz; pelley; prisonerabuse; scottpelley; torture; tortureclaims

1 posted on 03/28/2008 11:44:00 AM PDT by RDTF
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To: RDTF

The truth is that muslims are liars and it is condoned in their lying religion founded by a liar.


2 posted on 03/28/2008 11:46:26 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: RDTF

Uh... sure. I’m convinced ... NOT!


3 posted on 03/28/2008 11:48:30 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: RDTF

The real truth is that as a Muslim and a terrorist he is required to lie as often as he can to try and destroy the American People. And CBS is giving him the platform to do that - TRAITORS all!


4 posted on 03/28/2008 11:50:18 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: RDTF

See BS: fake but accurate.


5 posted on 03/28/2008 11:50:49 AM PDT by tumblindice (Oh Kurnaz, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits, yes yes)
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To: RDTF

Just another episode of the 60 Minutes jihad against America. I’ve never been able to determine who it is that’s watching this anti-American garbage and keeping it on the air. Maybe the DNC. In all my years, I have never been asked, “Did you see 60 Minutes last night?” by anyone. Never. Ever.


6 posted on 03/28/2008 11:51:44 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How many more "scientists and researchers" can the taxpayers afford to support with Federal grants?)
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To: RDTF

Wouldn’t it be fun if the 60 minutes host actually read the passages in the Quran that point out it is not a sin to lie to an infidel & read from the Al Queda manual that instructs them to say they were tortured if captured, and then ask him why on earth a single person would believe his story. I guess I am dreaming.


7 posted on 03/28/2008 11:53:15 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: RDTF

The most important thing to note here is that Murat Kurnaz is telling his story. We don’t hear the victims of 9/11 telling their stories, nor do we hear the uncounted victims of Saddam Hussein’s vicious tyranny telling their stories. This jerk should be thankful he’s breathing and STFU.


8 posted on 03/28/2008 11:53:39 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: RDTF

in a statement issued by CBS they said they tried and tried to interview americans detained by al qeada but they were dead...


9 posted on 03/28/2008 11:54:10 AM PDT by edzo4
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To: Resolute Conservative

Unless of course they were lying when they said lying was okay...


10 posted on 03/28/2008 11:55:13 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. Yeah... I guess.)
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To: RDTF

Yeah, but did they put a pair of panties on his head...?


11 posted on 03/28/2008 11:59:55 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: RDTF

Wow, I thought they discontinued that 60 Minutes show years ago. Oh well, same old garbage on there.


12 posted on 03/28/2008 12:00:20 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: RDTF

Call Bianca Jagger, she will believe you.


13 posted on 03/28/2008 12:01:09 PM PDT by SF Republican (Conservatives wanted all or nothing, and they got it.)
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To: RDTF

“Kurnaz says he was “sold” to the Americans for $3,000”

Now he’s bought by MSM for a more substantial amount.


14 posted on 03/28/2008 12:01:19 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: RDTF
went to Pakistan in late 2001 at age 19 to study Islam and wound up in Pakistani police custody.

Coupla details missing there for some reason. Went to Pak "in late 2001 to study Islam"? Gosh, amazing timing, dya think? I can't imagine why anyone would have thought that suspicious. And then he "wound up in Pakistani police custody"? How? Because he committed a crime? If so, of what sort—of a terrorism sort, perhaps?

I guess they didn't want to tell us about that, because it would have made his story sound less innocent.

15 posted on 03/28/2008 12:06:49 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: GulfBreeze

Would that be a lie?


16 posted on 03/28/2008 12:08:06 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: RDTF

What proof does 60 minutes have that anything this guy says is true? Can Dan Rather vouch for him, or at least manufacture some evidence?


17 posted on 03/28/2008 12:13:06 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Is Obama the AntiChrist? Otherwise, why are so many so mesmerized by a dimwit?)
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To: RDTF

taqiyya


18 posted on 03/28/2008 12:14:53 PM PDT by Tex Pete
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To: Resolute Conservative

No. However ponder the following.

This sentence is a lie.


19 posted on 03/28/2008 12:18:15 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. Yeah... I guess.)
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To: edzo4

You should send that to CBS in a letter or email....


20 posted on 03/28/2008 12:29:57 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character; Being Coddled Destroys Character)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Yes. “Fake but accurate” evidence.

They should retain Dan Rather as a consultant on this subject.


21 posted on 03/28/2008 12:42:57 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: RDTF

Show me the receipt for $3000.00. What was he under arrest for in Pakistan?


22 posted on 03/28/2008 12:44:46 PM PDT by Wavrnr10 (Eagles soar but weasels don't get sucked in jet engines)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

they should ask Daniel Pearl to see how it compares to his treatment at the hands of alqueda.

oh, right, he’s dead., well, nevermind then.


23 posted on 03/28/2008 12:46:26 PM PDT by tm61
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To: Jo Nuvark
Hung from ceiling, shocked and held underwater...


24 posted on 03/28/2008 12:52:25 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Freepers don't let Freepers get spun)
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To: RDTF

CBS — FIRST UP WITH ALL THE NEWS THAT’S FIT TO FORGE:

1995 : (CBS, 60 MINUTES & IDEMA — See DAN RATHER) In 1995, Mr. Idema participated in a 60 Minutes story about Russian crime syndicates smuggling beryllium to Lithuania. That story, produced in conjunction with U.S. News and World Report, won a prize from Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national journalists’ group. Mr. Idema’s credit, however, was deleted from the stories, partly because of a previous fraud conviction that landed him in a North Carolina prison for three years. Mr. Idema threatened to sue over the omission, but he never did.-———— “American Who Ran Afghan Jail Says He Sourced CBS,” The New York Observer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Joe Hagan

2001 : (IDEMA SELLS BOGUS AL QAEDA TRAINING VIDEO THE VARIOUS MEDIA OUTLETS) Mr. Idema—who has a reputation as an unsavory con man given to tall tales and violent streaks—had sold footage to almost all of the TV networks at one time or another, primarily portions of the seven-hour Al Qaeda training video that he got his hands on in 2001. -———— “American Who Ran Afghan Jail Says He Sourced CBS,” The New York Observer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Joe Hagan

DECEMBER 2001 : (AFGHANISTAN : SEIGE OF TORA BORA & IDEMA’S BOOK “THE HUNT FOR BIN LADEN” — See CBS/60 MINUTES DAN RATHER) In foreign desks around the Middle East, Mr. Idema’s reputation often precedes him. His exploits were written about in a book called The Hunt for bin Laden, which details the campaign by American Special Forces operatives in Afghanistan in the months after Sept. 11. Mr. Idema claimed he nearly captured Mr. bin Laden during the siege at Tora Bora in December 2001. In the book, Mr. Rather described Mr. Idema as “politically incorrect, abrasive, unconventional, and unquestionably heroic.”-———— “American Who Ran Afghan Jail Says He Sourced CBS,” The New York Observer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Joe Hagan

2002 : (IDEMA OFFERS HIS “CAPTURED AL QAEDA TRAINING FILMS” TO DAN RATHER OF CBS)

2002 : (CBS’ DAN RATHER INTERVIEWS IDEMA) In 2002, Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Idema for 60 Minutes II as an expert on Al Qaeda and the Taliban. His financial arrangement with CBS was undisclosed.-——— “American Who Ran Afghan Jail Says He Sourced CBS,” The New York Observer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Joe Hagan

JUNE 25, 2004 : (AFGHANISTAN : IDEMA PUTS ON A SHOW FOR CBS ; TEN DAYS LATER HE WOULD BE ARRESTED ALONG WITH HIS ASSISTANTS — See CBS, DAN RATHER, BLEEDINGHEARTATTACK, AFGHANISTAN, TORTURE, PRIVATE PRISON) On Tuesday, Sept. 22 [2004], Mr. Tiffany [Idema’s lawyer] showed The Observer a 10-minute videotape that features Mr. Idema interrogating suspected Al Qaeda operatives in his makeshift detention center. It revealed a watermark showing it had been transmitted via CBS satellites. The footage was relayed to Mr. Idema’s licensing company in New York in early July from Mr. Rather’s offices. At the start of the reel, a standard TV test pattern with the watermark “CBS NEWS KABUL” can clearly be seen on the screen. The film looked like an Afghan version of the reality show Cops, complete with Mr. Idema’s own segment titles at the beginning of each raid. It features clips of Mr. Idema and his “Task Force Saber” running around in fatigues with assault rifles, arresting Afghan people whom Mr. Tiffany identified as suspected terrorists.
“Put your fucking hands up or I’ll blow your fucking brains out!” Mr. Idema yells at one point. Afterward, he places black bags on suspects’ heads and plastic bands around their wrists and proceeds to yell at them. The last arrest, said Mr. Tiffany, was filmed on June 25, 10 days before Mr. Idema was arrested....
.........A spokesman for CBS News [later, see Sept 22, 2004] said the footage was indeed sent by a technician at CBS News in Kabul and “the instructions were to send it to Dan.” But, he said, Mr. Rather was on his way to Baghdad when the tape arrived. “He never saw it,” said Mr. Tedesco. “It was erroneous to say we knew of some detention cell.”
The spokesman said the network had an “inquiry” over the summer after Mr. Idema was arrested. CBS found the footage “in the archives and then our bureau chief in London saw it on Aug. 20,” he said. “The tape in no shape or form could be vetted. There was no way of knowing whether it was real. He didn’t work for us. There’s no relation to us.”
But if the “instructions” were to send his material to Mr. Rather, and there was CBS technical participation in the transmission, then it appears the network had a relationship with Mr. Idema and was viewing his material.”While it’s true that some technician some place could have seen it,” said the CBS spokesman, “that could have been their own unprofessional opinion of this stuff. It wouldn’t be the same as a bureau chief seeing it.”
One freelance journalist working in Afghanistan, who declined to be identified, said that CBS staffers had expressed concern that they might be implicated in Mr. Idema’s case because, in fact, they knew what they were looking at. “Their satellite engineer came over: ‘Oh my God, I’m going to be arrested,’” recalled the journalist. “They had been feeding this material to CBS. They had been feeding into their London bureau footage of Jack’s detention center and of him capturing and interrogating people about 10 days to two weeks before he was arrested.”-———— “American Who Ran Afghan Jail Says He Sourced CBS,” The New York Observer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Joe Hagan

JULY 5, 2004 : (ARREST OF IDEMA, BENNETT & CARABALLO — See CBS, DAN RATHER, BLEEDINGHEARTATTACK, AFGHANISTAN, TORTURE, PRIVATE PRISON ) Mr. [Jonathan “Jack”] Idema was arrested along with Brent Bennett and Edward Caraballo on July 5, when Afghan security forces raided the Kabul compound where they had allegedly detained prisoners. According to Afghan officials, Mr. Idema and company were found wearing U.S. military uniforms and were armed with assault rifles. They were charged with illegal entry into the country, operating an illegal jail and torturing innocent civilians. ....According to Mr. Idema’s lawyer, John Edwards Tiffany, as well as network sources and people on the ground in Kabul, CBS News had prior knowledge of Mr. Idema’s private jail before his arrest on July 5. According to early reports, eight prisoners were interrogated and tortured there, some found hanging from the ceiling by their feet......
Mr. Tiffany claimed that his client had an active role as a source for Mr. Rather, and network sources said that Mr. Rather had hoped to get access to suspected Al Qaeda operatives—and, possibly, Osama bin Laden, whom Mr. Idema has attempted to capture in the past....
...According to Mr. Tiffany, his client told him that a CBS engineer was present at the prison before the arrest. “The person was present where some if not all of the detained prisoners were being held,” said Mr. Tiffany. “They were on the premises. They were aware that there were detainees on the premises.”My client is either incredibly bold or my client is operating consistent with D.O.D. interrogation guidelines,” Mr. Tiffany argued. “Why would he invite a CBS engineer in the house if there were problems?”
It was not clear what a CBS employee was doing there, said Mr. Tiffany, and his client declined to name the staffer, other than to say that the person was an “engineer.”......Asked if a CBS employee had been on the premises of Mr. Idema’s jail, the network spokesman said, “Even if he was there, he’s just there to make sure the tape is O.K. He just sends the feed. It doesn’t mean they’re in cahoots with this guy. It doesn’t mean CBS knew what was in this footage. His job was just to make sure it was fed to London and that’s all.”....-———— “American Who Ran Afghan Jail Says He Sourced CBS,” The New York Observer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Joe Hagan

AUGUST 20, 2004 : (THE DATE CBS’ LONDON BUREAU CHIEF ALLEGEDLY FIRST SEES IDEMA ‘PRISON’ FOOTAGE) .........A spokesman for CBS News [later, see Sept 22, 2004] said the footage was indeed sent by a technician at CBS News in Kabul and “the instructions were to send it to Dan.” But, he said, Mr. Rather was on his way to Baghdad when the tape arrived. “He never saw it,” said Mr. Tedesco. “It was erroneous to say we knew of some detention cell.”
The spokesman said the network had an “inquiry” over the summer after Mr. Idema was arrested. CBS found the footage “in the archives and then our bureau chief in London saw it on Aug. 20,” he said. “The tape in no shape or form could be vetted. There was no way of knowing whether it was real. He didn’t work for us. There’s no relation to us.”
But if the “instructions” were to send his material to Mr. Rather, and there was CBS technical participation in the transmission, then it appears the network had a relationship with Mr. Idema and was viewing his material.”While it’s true that some technician some place could have seen it,” said the CBS spokesman, “that could have been their own unprofessional opinion of this stuff. It wouldn’t be the same as a bureau chief seeing it.”-———— “American Who Ran Afghan Jail Says He Sourced CBS,” The New York Observer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Joe Hagan-

SEPTEMBER 15, 2004 : (AFGHANISTAN : IDEMA SENTENCED TO 10 YEARS; CARABALLO IS SENTENCED TO 8; BENNETT IS SENTENCED TO 10— See CBS, DAN RATHER, BLEEDINGHEARTATTACK, AFGHANISTAN, TORTURE, PRIVATE PRISON )

*** Not to mention their TANG [Texas Air National Guard] forgeries. ***


25 posted on 03/28/2008 1:11:25 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: RDTF

This idiot is a sack of crap and a liar.


26 posted on 03/28/2008 1:19:48 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: RDTF

Kurnaz the water inhaler. While his head was being held under water, how much did he inhale and how many times did he inhale per episode of being held under water???? Sounds like klinton the dope smoking non-inhaler.


27 posted on 03/28/2008 1:23:07 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: wolfcreek

Kurnaz says he was “sold” to the Americans for $3,000”

He should sue is seller for reparations.
When he can resurrect those that died on 9/11 and since , I will listen to him, until then........

I will stop b/4 I am banned


28 posted on 03/28/2008 1:27:55 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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