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I disagree with everything you replied with.

First of all, t is NOT axiomatic that he get all the black vote tied up just because he is the "only black Democrat" running for president. Not but a few months ago most blacks wouldn't vote for him because he was "not black enough." If Hillary had been able to keep that support, Barack would have been history. It was the white vote that brought him to this point, not the black vote that only recently went his way. So, saying he got the black vote JUST because he is black is not quite right.

Also you said this...

"Maybe, but the other possibility is that he's winking at the White establishment and saying on the sly that he doesn't believe that anymore than they do. "
This I also disagree with. He isn't winking at whites saying he doesn't really believe it. From statements about how they hate America from his Marxist wife, and his constant harping on how bad everything is -- even as he pretends to be positive and the agent of "change" -- it pretty much shows that he agrees 100% with the racist Jeremiah Wright.

If Barack become president we will have 4 years of scolding whites for how racist they are. It will be AL the Obama presidency will be about.

48 posted on 03/30/2008 5:42:25 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Not but a few months ago most blacks wouldn't vote for him because he was "not black enough." If Hillary had been able to keep that support, Barack would have been history. It was the white vote that brought him to this point, not the black vote that only recently went his way. So, saying he got the black vote JUST because he is black is not quite right.

Okay, I was wrong in saying that Obama's getting those votes because of his color. My point, though, was that Obama doesn't need this particular church or Wright's message to establish credibility with Blacks. And I stand by that. He's won those votes by now and they didn't go to him because Blacks knew that he went to Wright's church.

I'm not sure that your analysis is entirely right, either. If Hillary led early on among African-Americans, it's because she had name recognition. Once Obama became a more familiar face, Black votes came to him. It's not like he doesn't have great political skills. Obama's not going to repudiate Wright, but that has as much to do with reasons of his own.

He isn't winking at whites saying he doesn't really believe it. From statements about how they hate America from his Marxist wife, and his constant harping on how bad everything is -- even as he pretends to be positive and the agent of "change" -- it pretty much shows that he agrees 100% with the racist Jeremiah Wright.

I said it was a "possibility" that Obama was "winking" at the White establishment just as much as at disaffected or radical African-Americans.

Obama's not going to appoint Wright to his cabinet. His appointees won't be that different from Clinton's. They'll be drawn from the establishment of the Democratic Party.

In that sense, Obama may well be "winking" at the Democratic establishment, to let them know that he won't be as much of a departure as many fear.

49 posted on 03/31/2008 1:06:54 PM PDT by x
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