U.N.'s Ban condemns Dutch film as anti-Islamic

(Reuters ^ | Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:32pm EDT | Lewis Krauskopf; editing by Mohammad Zargham

[BenLurkin]

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Friday condemned as "offensively anti-Islamic" a Dutch lawmaker's film that accuses the Koran of inciting violence.

Ban acknowledged efforts by the government of the Netherlands to stop the broadcast of the film, which was launched by Islam critic Geert Wilders over the Internet, and appealed for calm to those "understandably offended by it."

"There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence," Ban said in a statement. "The right of free expression is not at stake here."

The short film, titled "Fitna," an Arabic term sometimes translated as "strife," intersperses images of the September 11 attacks on the United States and Islamist bombings with quotations from the Koran.

The film urges Muslims to tear out "hate-filled" verses from the Koran and starts and finishes with a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad with a bomb under his turban, accompanied by the sound of ticking.

Several Muslim countries, including Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia, have also condemned the film.

"Freedom must always be accompanied by social responsibility," Ban said.

"We must also recognize that the real fault line is not between Muslim and Western societies, as some would have us believe, but between small minorities of extremists, on different sides, with a vested interest in stirring hostility and conflict," Ban said.

[BenLurkin]

"There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence," Ban said in a statement. "The right of free expression is not at stake here."

So...he wants to ban the Koran?

[the invisib1e hand]

Ban ban.

[Sender]

Barky Moon translation: “You know what these people do when you show things like this! Crap, now I’m going to have to pacify them for weeks.”

[bboop]

So Ban is not the King of the World? Neat ... when did we vote, again? Ahhhh, nevermind ....

[the invisib1e hand]

"Freedom must always be accompanied by social responsibility," Ban said.

He's been reading the Effeminate Re-Writes of the Biographies of the Founders, hasn't he?

[bboop]

I meant to say, “So he IS King of the World?” ah....

[M203M4]

M203M4 condemns UN as anti-American.

[Sundog]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/27/video-fitna/

Let us have a look at how beautifully little children speak of jews, pigs, and monkeys.

Oops, it looks like the management decided to abide by the honest persuasions of the Muslims.

[sheik yerbouty]

He is the ignoble son of Kak a Moon..

[Elsiejay]

There is no “hate speech” or incitement to violence in Geertz’ film, other than that which is quoted from the Koran and other Muslim utterances.

[DoughtyOne]

It has baffled me the way the west equates what the Muslems do with what Christians do. We honor their Ramadan. They use it and our holidays to attack.

The west tries to minimize the loss of human life. The Muslems do their best to destroy as many as possible.

We honor our youth and try to keep them out of the conflict. The Muslems send in women and children first in many instances.

We try to hit military targets. They take down the World Trade Center towers with as many people in them as they could affect.

When we herald this in public, Ban ki-Moon damns us and says nothing of the Muslem’s actions.

We use words to get our message across. They behead people.

Our words get more reaction out of Ban ki-Moon than their beheadings do.

We deserve the violence because of our actions. They don’t deserve words of truth because of theirs.

Dang. And the U.N. wonders why folks advocate for it to be abandoned by the U.S. and given thirty days to pack and get out.

[alancarp]

If the filmmaker is wrong, then Osama bin Laden would have been denounced long ago by a billion people.

[ml/nj]

The movie seemed mostly pro-Islam to me. It had a guy reading verses from the Koran, and then showed Muslims carrying out the teaching from those verses and/or celebrating the actions of those who did. How can this be anything but pro-Islam?

ML/NJ

[guido911]

[i] U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Friday condemned as “offensively anti-Islamic” a Dutch lawmaker’s film that accuses the Koran of inciting violence.[i]

So the f*ck what.

[SkyDancer]

So it’s ok to slam Jesus in “art” ... that’s not hate but art .... whereas .....

[headstamp 2]

“The right of free expression is not at stake here.”

It sure as hell is!

Nothing like a flaming double standard for a “protected religion”.

Maybe they need a little stigmatizing to get their asses in gear to clean up their own death cult.

[Tex Pete]

This will be the same empty condemnation given anything that disputes global warming ideology.

Just an offhand dismissal without actually examining the content.

[Uncle Miltie]

But is it inaccurate?

No.

[livius]

Nobody’s even “slamming” Islam in this film. All the quotes are from the Koran, and all the images are from publicly acknowledged Muslim attacks on Western civilian targets. Islam is “slamming” itself.

[rocksblues]

I watched the video and there is nothing there that hasn't been headline news over the past 8 years. So why is it not proper to combine it on a 45 minute video Ban?

Ban? Hello Ban? Hello?

[Charles Martel]

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Friday condemned as "offensively anti-Islamic" a Dutch lawmaker's film that accuses the Koran of inciting violence.

I suppose he's gotta do this or be deluged with e-mails of the "I KEEL YOU!!" variety. To suggest that showing the words of the Koran beside the images of Islam's application in the real world is somehow "anti-Islamic" is patently absurd.

This does demonstrate that Wilders' little film packs quite a punch. Ban Ki-moon, I fart in your general direction.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

""There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence," Ban said in a statement. "The right of free expression is not at stake here.""

We come in peace! Do not run away!

[Cindy]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1981084/posts?page=1337#1337

[muawiyah]

Hmmm ~ before you get carried away with what "we" do, it's not so long ago that Europe got burned to the ground and half the Jews were slaughtered.

Moslems are just a few centuries behind "us".

[Cuchulain]

I would gladly have Geert Wilders represent me as a New York state senator instead of the pandering Chucky Schumer and Hillderbeast.

[Blackhawk]

abandoned by the U.S. and given thirty days to pack and get out.

I submit that you are overly generous, my thoughts tended more towards the "tar and feather" farewell party followed by complimentary transportation as in "ridden out of town on a rail".

You are a much better person than I.

[DB]

Truth is truth.

Too bad if it hurts your feelings.

[Disambiguator]

"We must also recognize that the real fault line is not between Muslim and Western societies, as some would have us believe, but between small minorities of extremists, on different sides, with a vested interest in stirring hostility and conflict," Ban said.

This passage is a fine specimen of "argle-bargle."

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

""There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence," Ban said in a statement."

That statement might make some sense if the movie were designed to incite non-Muslims to violence against Muslims. However, the only ones threatening, or committing violence are Muslims.

A movie that purports to show that the Koran encourages Muslims to commit violent acts, is banned for inciting violence -- violence committed by Muslims against non-Muslims, because they're offended at the suggestion that they're violent.

When this starts to make sense to me, I'll be very worried.

[DoughtyOne]

Hmmm ~ before you get carried away with what "we" do, it's not so long ago that Europe got burned to the ground and half the Jews were slaughtered.

Moslems are just a few centuries behind "us".

Do you believe that Christians did this?  It's my take that a true converted Christian could not do this.  I will ask you what Christian nations around the world did when these events took place.  Who put an end to this practice?  Was it the Muslems?

What you address was perpetrated by the cultist planners of a master race.  The west put an end to it and then allowed the citizens to return to their own self-rule, making even their own religious decisions.

Do you think Muslems have this in mind?

[Dmitry Vukicevich]

I don’t normally curse but, Hey U.N. F.U.!!!!

[DoughtyOne]

I do believe that the U.N. is an evil organization. It would be best if it were destroyed once and for all. How to go about that in a humanitarian way should be developed. I hear ya.

[muawiyah]

“West”, yes. All of it was a part of the West.

[tazman3]

Exactly. I watched it. There is no new video here. Actually some of it is old. It’s all from the news wires including AJ. He didn’t use a camera to make any of the documentary, just spice together some news video.

[rocksblues]

But if you tell the truth about Islam you are dissing their religion!

And the media goes along with it! LOL!

[DoughtyOne]

That is true. Even the perps were a part of the West. I will say though, that the West rose to the occasion and rid itself of the problem. No other religion had to help us police our own. If the Muslems would follow this model, the world would be a better place. I submit the Muslems are intent on conquering the West. I don’t believe we are intent on conquering them. We seek to live in peace, them worshiping who they want to.

[Eaker]

I cannot really respond to your post without being banned. I will say that it is a stupid comparison.

Either you are with us or them. It appears that you are with them.

I will keep in mind that you support them every time I see you post. It will keep things in perspective.

[SkyDancer]

They, like me have never seen the film - they just assumed it was anti-Islam .....

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

In other movies this week:

Ban Ki-moon gives “Horton Hears a Who” a big thumbs-up as the feel good family film of the year.

However Ban pans “10,000 B.C.” Director Roland Emmerich has swapped disaster movies like The Day After Tomorrow and Godzilla for, well, a disaster of a movie. Maybe his last disaster epic will be yet another dreary anti-Iraq war movie, like the incredible box office bomb “Stop Loss”, now in theaters, which is also a big thumbs down.

Back to you, Roger Ebert.

[muawiyah]

The "West" is not a religion.

That's part of the difference we have to recognize to deal with these people ~ Islam is held out as a combined religion, culture, government, set of laws, and so forth.

It's democratic centrism carried to an extreme the Commies couldn't imagine.

The post I responded to initially simply misused "we" and attributed to that "we" virtues that were not true of the Nazis (or the Commies), who were also part of the "West".

From the Middle-Eastern Islamic perspective "we" all look alike. At the same time we have to remember that when given an opportunity to "chose sides" there at the beginning of WWII the Moslems chose the Nazis.

They haven't changed all that much since then either ~

[muawiyah]

You might set your mind at ease by reading all the posts and quit imagining that you've read some horrifying thing.

I'm just guessing that you are so young you've forgotten that WWII was part of the recent history of the West, and that the "West" had folks on both sides of the conflict.

A later poster noted that, in fact, I was correct that the West had a broader history than some folks are willing to grant it.

We ain't in Kansas anymore, capice?!

[MarMema]

Geert is awesome!! I saw a You Tube video of him being interviewed and it was all I could do to not be cheering aloud at home alone.

God bless and keep this man!!! More like him in the world would give me hope.

[wku man]

Hey UN...I'm anti-Islamic, too. Feel free to condemn me. I'll try not to let my feelings get hurt too badly.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[montag813]

U.N.'s Ban condemns Dutch film as anti-Islamic

He's right, it is and it should be, and more films should be against Islam.

[EverOnward]

bookmarked

[DoughtyOne]

The "West" is not a religion.  That's part of the difference we have to recognize to deal with these people ~ Islam is held out as a combined religion, culture, government, set of laws, and so forth.  I agree with this.  I believe this perception was part of the reason our founders were very careful to make sure the govenrnment wouldn't be involved direction in religion.  I do believe the West was heavily influenced by a religion which does account for us going many of the things we do.

It's democratic centrism carried to an extreme the Commies couldn't imagine.  I agree.

The post I responded to initially simply misused "we" and attributed to that "we" virtues that were not true of the Nazis (or the Commies), who were also part of the "West".  Yes, the commies as well as the NAZIs were important to point out in this contect IMO.

From the Middle-Eastern Islamic perspective "we" all look alike. At the same time we have to remember that when given an opportunity to "chose sides" there at the beginning of WWII the Moslems chose the Nazis.  And this is the same bunch that seeks to herald the decadence of the West.  They sure don't have much moral high ground to make that claim from IMO.

They haven't changed all that much since then either ~  I agree.

Thanks for the additional comments.

[Eaker]

I am not young.

Your comparison was stupid. Defending it is stupid too.

Please don’t try to convince me that muslims are not at war with the rest of the world. It is not East/West. It is scum against us. For us to win they all must die. Don’t bother to post back to me.

capice?!

[Charlespg]

"There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence," Ban said in a statement. "The right of free expression is not at stake here."

These idiots will be the death of human civilization

[Chode]

anybody have a good link???

[lowbridge]

bump