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Russian official dismisses NATO call to tone down rhetoric
China View ^ | March 29, 2008 | Xinhua

Posted on 03/29/2008 6:11:24 PM PDT by Ravnagora

BRUSSELS, March 28 (Xinhua) -- Russia's ambassador to NATO dismissed on Friday NATO's call for Russian President Vladimir Putin to avoid "unhelpful rhetoric" at next week's NATO summit.

In an interview with the Financial Times published on Friday, NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said he hoped the Russian leader would refrain from making anti-West comments.

"Let's try to avoid unhelpful rhetoric, like 'We will target missiles on nations A, B and C.' That is not only unhelpful, but it makes me remember a time when I was growing up when there was a Berlin Wall and an Iron Curtain," de Hoop Scheffer told the paper.

The call was branded groundless by Russian ambassador Dmitry Rogozin.

"I think he (de Hoop Scheffer) had no real grounds to say that," Rogozin told reporters on Friday.

"Which is more important in international relations -- aggressive policy or aggressive rhetoric?" he asked.

"Is Russia going to deploy any new military bases of its armed forces in Mexico or Canada; or is it negotiating on the accession of Iceland or Northern Ireland to the Warsaw Pact organization; or is Russia deploying its strategic missile defense in Mexico; or is Russia recognizing some parts of sovereign states, like Northern Ireland, Corsica, or the Basque area in Spain, irrespective of the fact that it's prohibited by international law?"

Russia is doing none of them, he said, in a veiled attack of Washington's military expansion and its policies on NATO enlargement and Kosovo.

The outspoken diplomat quipped that the NATO chief might have problems with Putin calling a spade a spade, he said.

"That will not change. He (Putin) will still call a spade a spade and we will come out with our open and frank views and descriptions on the situation in international security," he said.

"President Putin was elected by the Russian people and he is free to say whatever he wants to," said Rogozin.

Putin was invited to the NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, for a NATO-Russia Council meeting. This will be the first time that the council is held at the level of heads of state.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nato; natosummit; putin; russia; us

1 posted on 03/29/2008 6:11:25 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

That scumbag is bound and determined to revive the Cold War.


2 posted on 03/29/2008 6:13:35 PM PDT by infantrywhooah (Hold your nose and vote in November. Even McCain is better than the alternatives)
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To: Ravnagora
For Russia, NATO encirclement is a threat that can't be ignored. If Russia was expanding the Warsaw Pact, the West would not still for a moment. And rightly so. The Cold War has been over for two decades. What is the reason for NATO's aggressive push close to Russia's borders? It is always best for friends to speak the truth to each other.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 03/29/2008 6:18:06 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Bokababe; kronos77

Ping the list


4 posted on 03/29/2008 6:18:23 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Its not Russia’s tone that needs to be turned down.Its her stupid aggressive tactics that can accidentally start a war.

I guess I had more respect for the intelligence of the average Russian than they deserve.Because putting Putin into power was one stupid move.


5 posted on 03/29/2008 6:21:06 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: puppypusher

Medvedev will be the new president soon. I think that Putin will continue on as Prime Minister and will definitely continue to wield power.

I can’t be angry at Putin. He is standing up regarding the Serbs and Kosovo regardless of what his motives are.


6 posted on 03/29/2008 6:23:15 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: goldstategop

Since when has Russia been a friend to US??? You think this Iran backed uprising in Basra isn’t about Putin flexing his ‘oil’ muscles?


7 posted on 03/29/2008 6:24:40 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: puppypusher

We stupidly put idiots in power all the time (and keep them there). ;-)


8 posted on 03/29/2008 6:28:11 PM PDT by doc1019 (God is in control ... not Global Warming.)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

9 posted on 03/29/2008 7:23:44 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Just mythoughts
"Since when has Russia been a friend to US???"

Russia is indeed our economic and political competitor but they aren't our enemy. There's a difference -- "a competitor" wants to win, "an enemy" wants to destroy you. Al Qaeda is our enemy and we don't need any new ones, but we are still treating Russia as an enemy. It's dumb.

10 posted on 03/29/2008 7:33:37 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
Russia is indeed our economic and political competitor but they aren't our enemy. There's a difference -- "a competitor" wants to win, "an enemy" wants to destroy you. Al Qaeda is our enemy and we don't need any new ones, but we are still treating Russia as an enemy. It's dumb.

Sorry you are splitting hairs with competitor versus enemy.... Now if a competitor wants to win then it would NOT be out of bounds to fund the enemy (Iran), in order to collect a win.

11 posted on 03/29/2008 7:37:25 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: goldstategop
What is the reason for NATO’s aggressive push close to Russia's borders? It is always best for friends to speak the truth to each other.

There's nothing aggressive about NATO policy.

People in countries close to Russia remember having their countries run from Moscow. They don't want their countries run from Moscow in the future. They want to join NATO because there is safety in numbers. Russia refuses to face the fact that the bad policies in the past have negative consequences for Russia in the present and they continue policies that alienate the former satellites. Russia demands the right to dominate their former satellites. These countries want as little to do with Russia as possible.

Russia is addicted to repressive governments. They tried to reform themselves in the Nineties, but have fallen off the wagon under Putin.

12 posted on 03/29/2008 8:12:06 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: infantrywhooah
That scumbag is bound and determined to revive the Cold War.

I agree, Bush was wrong to recognize the independence of Kosovo!

13 posted on 03/29/2008 9:58:31 PM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: F-117A

Not for one minute did I ever trust that guy. He is KGB to the core. I have a dear friend who is Russian, her family still lives outside of Moscow, and they tell her that things in Russia are quickly moving back to the days of the CCCP. The Russian people get screwed again.


14 posted on 03/30/2008 4:45:29 AM PDT by infantrywhooah (Hold your nose and vote in November. Even McCain is better than the alternatives)
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To: infantrywhooah
"That scumbag is bound and determined to revive the Cold War."

What scumbag are you referring to:

Clinton? or the one I voted for 5 times..........Bush?

IMHO Al Qaeda and radical muslims are our enemy....not the Russians, not the demonized Serbs, but U.S. foreign policy is inconsistent and really support's islamic terrorists in central Europe.

Russia supports Christians in the Balkans, makes sense to me.

15 posted on 03/30/2008 6:59:01 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (16 years of Clinton-Bush destroyed America.. and now McQweeg is in the wings...I can't wait....)
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To: Ravnagora; Bokababe; F-117A; FormerLib; DTA; lightman; Kolokotronis; eleni121

....Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer....

This Dutch pipsqueak should just SHUT UP and slink back home! Doesn’t he realize how truly insignificant his country is, and how endangered it is by islamization? (See my previous post today, with its reference to the Netherlands.)

I have quite a few Dutch friends and professional colleagues, and this is not meant to slight or demean such good people. But all too many Dutch (and other Euro) “leaders” seem to lack a sense of proportion as to their importance (or lack thereof) in the world, especially when they are made some sort of Lord High Poobah by NATO, the EU, etc.

As for Russia, until our America and Russia become partners, there is no hope for our Judeo-Christian civilization. I have had many discussions about this with my Serbian friends, and with others (even once with Harvard’s Samuel Huntington). Unfortuately, the three sorry individuals who are most likely to become President will steer us in exactly the opposite direction. Lord have mercy!!!!


16 posted on 03/30/2008 3:02:25 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Just mythoughts
"Sorry you are splitting hairs with competitor versus enemy.... Now if a competitor wants to win then it would NOT be out of bounds to fund the enemy (Iran), in order to collect a win."

I don't think that I am "hair-splitting" one bit. Russia's relationship with Iran is to counterbalance ours with Saudi Arabia --both relationships are ultimately about "oil", not similarities in cultures or aims. When we scum-suck for oil by hanging out with the Saudis, we aren't really on high ground to point fingers at who the Russians are hanging out with.

But when it comes to "real enemies, as far as I know none of the 9/11 monsters were Russian or Iranian -- almost all were "our (supposed) friends", the Saudis.

As for how Putin runs Russia, maybe it's just me, but I don't really give a damn. The relationship between any leader and their people is just that -- between them. It's none of our business -- unless it is an ideology like communism that they are attempting to export by force. Whenever we've made regime-change "our business", it's never been about "the welfare of the people living under that leader", it's almost always been to exploit dissent for the plans of our Administration.

Right now, NATO is pushing West to encircle Russia for one reason alone, we are competing with Russia for control of Europe's oil and gas supply. This is a battle between energy projects -- (ours) Nabucco and (theirs) Southstream. We stole Kosovo from Serbia in order to put Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo to guard that energy supply, which will exit in Vlore, Albania.

There is nothing "moral" about NATO behavior toward Serbia re Kosovo -- we wanted it, we steamrolled the locals, we took it and we gave Russia the finger. If we keep pushing, sooner or later it is going to explode in our faces -- and it won't be Russia who does this to us, we will have done it to ourselves.

17 posted on 03/30/2008 3:04:39 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Ravnagora

Dehoop had better clean up his own mess before he attacks other nations.

The way de hoops’ country is beng run, the Dutch will be begging the Russians for help in defending their sorry asses from the muzzies they let in...and who now have the dutch running scared in their own country.


18 posted on 03/30/2008 3:20:00 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: eleni121; Honorary Serb; gitmogrunt; Ravnagora; Bokababe; FormerLib; kosta50

“...the Dutch will be begging the Russians for help in defending their sorry asses from the muzzies they let in...”

God knows they wouldn’t ask us for help. If past performance is any indication, we’d bomb Dutch infrastructure and kill Dutch civilians in order to make absolutely sure our Saudi masters are pleased with an American engineered Mohammedan triumph on the shores of the North Sea...and then we’d find a way to blame the Dutch.


19 posted on 03/30/2008 3:39:55 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: puppypusher

Hey..didn’t the “stupid” Americans put the Clintons in power and the Democrats in power???


20 posted on 03/30/2008 4:14:45 PM PDT by ma bell ("Bonus fortuna vobis quod equus vos rode una")
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To: goldstategop

Also, how could Russia interpret our little adventure in Serbia as anything but an enemy action. We were protecting no American interest and the official excuse of “genocide” has been shown to be total BS. They were merely defending themselves against the same thugs we’re now fighting in Iraq and Afganistan.


21 posted on 03/30/2008 4:19:12 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: Bokababe

Your analysis, Bokababe, is brilliant.

America needs to reevaluate its policy with regards to Kosovo. No amount of oil will be worth the consequences of what this policy could potentially unleash.

And that’s an understatement.


22 posted on 03/30/2008 4:46:55 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: ma bell

Unfortunately, the republicans are continuing the same agenda.

And if McCain wins, it will only get worse.


23 posted on 03/30/2008 4:48:51 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
"Unfortunately, the republicans are continuing the same agenda.And if McCain wins, it will only get worse."

And if Hillary or Obama win, it will STILL suck. All three are reading out of the same international playbook even if it kills them -- and us!

24 posted on 03/30/2008 5:00:42 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Cheburashka
"People in countries close to Russia remember having their countries run from Moscow. They don't want their countries run from Moscow in the future. They want to join NATO because there is safety in numbers."

Not so sure about that:

March 29, 2008, 18:55

Ukrainians protest against joining NATO

Thousands of people in Ukraine’s southern republic of Crimea are protesting against the country's plans to join NATO. The demonstrators are also demanding that Ukraine's peacekeepers are withdrawn from Kosovo.

The protesters say that joining the alliance will be against the people's wishes and national interest, and could also harm Ukraine's relations with Russia.

The rally comes two days before the visit of George Bush to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev.

The country's plans to join NATO will be discussed at an alliance summit in Bucharest in early April.

25 posted on 03/30/2008 5:06:10 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: infantrywhooah

I agree.
NATO certainly is.


26 posted on 03/31/2008 8:29:28 AM PDT by serbami68
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To: Bokababe
Thousands of people in Ukraine’s southern republic of Crimea are protesting against the country's plans to join NATO. The demonstrators are also demanding that Ukraine's peacekeepers are withdrawn from Kosovo.

Whoopie. Putin hires a rent-a-mob.

Ukraine will make its own decision. If they don't join NATO it's their own decision to make.

But I suspect that Putin or his stooge Medvedev at some point in the future will pull some boneheaded stunt and make Ukraine see that joining NATO is a good idea. Anything to keep a Russia addicted to dictator ship on Russia's side of the border.

27 posted on 04/08/2008 5:40:09 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Cheburashka
"Whoopie. Putin hires a rent-a-mob."

Although that scenario is possible, I don't think that is the case here. Ukraine has always been wavering re NATO & the Kosovo mission. The government's for NATO, the people mostly against and with a clear reason why.

Then a couple weeks ago, a Ukrainian peaacekeeper died in a confrontation in Mitrovica, Kosovo. Of course, NATO & the UN reflexively "blamed the Serbs", but the Ukrainians blamed NATO & the UN.

28 posted on 04/08/2008 8:45:51 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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