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Islam intrinsically violent - convert
News.com.au ^ | 3/23/2008

Posted on 03/29/2008 9:10:08 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat

ITALIAN editor and critic of Islamic extremism Magdi Allam, who converted to Catholicism from Islam and was baptised by Pope Benedict XVI, today branded his former faith as intrinsically violent. "I had to do this (abandon Islam)", Allam wrote in a long letter to the Italian daily Corriere della Sera.

"Beyond ... the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent to a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam," wrote the Egyptian-born journalist, who says he has received death threats and is under police protection.

One of seven adults baptised during an Easter vigil yesterday evening, Allam, 55, is an editorial writer and deputy editor at Corriere.

Regarding a combative tone that has made him famous in Italy, Allam wrote: "Over the years my spirit has been freed from the obscurantism of an ideology that legitimises lies and deception, violent death that leads to homicide and suicide, blind submission to tyranny."

He described Catholicism as "an authentic religion of Truth, Life and Freedom".

By baptising Allam in the public ceremony, the Pope "sent an explicit and revolutionary message to a church that until now has been too cautious in the conversion of Muslims ... because of the fear of being unable to protect the converted who are condemned to death for apostasy," Allam said.

"Thousands of people in Italy have converted to Islam and practise their faith serenely," he wrote. "But there are also thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity who are forced to hide their new faith out of fear of being killed by Islamist terrorists." Allam adopted the Christian name of Cristiano (Christian), not a common name in Italy.

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KEYWORDS: allam; apostacy; catholic; christian; convert; deathsentence; islam; magdiallam; muslim; muslims; pope; rop
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1 posted on 03/29/2008 9:10:09 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: G8 Diplomat

I applaud this man’s faith and courage, but I also hope he has some good security.


2 posted on 03/29/2008 9:15:17 PM PDT by Huntress (“When you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk.”--Tuco)
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To: G8 Diplomat

paging captain obvious.


3 posted on 03/29/2008 9:15:25 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (How much worse would things be if Eve had been "empowered?")
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To: G8 Diplomat

This individual’s life journey should be made into a movie (hopefully a long one, not a short one ending in Christian martyrdom).
Something in his native language(s) that may lead others to a true, light faith.


4 posted on 03/29/2008 9:17:00 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: G8 Diplomat
"Beyond ... the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent to a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam,"

Something we all knew; but the credibility of the source is unimpeachable and obliterates all sophistry to the contrary.

5 posted on 03/29/2008 9:19:21 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (How much worse would things be if Eve had been "empowered?")
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To: G8 Diplomat
Suras 2-9.

Nuff said.

6 posted on 03/29/2008 9:24:36 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: G8 Diplomat
"an ideology that legitimises lies and deception, violent death that leads to homicide and suicide, blind submission to tyranny.""

No mater how many apostates from Islam step forward to expose Islam for what it really is, our politicians just won't listen.

This brave man has at least saved his soul from certain damnation, but he is now marked for death by Islam. Mohammad ordered that all apostates be killed.

7 posted on 03/29/2008 9:26:31 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: South40

There are 109 verses of violence in the Koran...that’s every twelfth verse.


8 posted on 03/29/2008 9:32:59 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Welcome to the Middle East: Some days are Sunni, but most are Shi'ite)
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To: G8 Diplomat

And they call it the religion of peace.


9 posted on 03/29/2008 9:37:06 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: G8 Diplomat

I’lll make your link clickable:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=E93CD8A1-6AB7-4D87-9F3F-873D6E275867

“A Muslim’s Way Out of Islam”
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, March 03, 2008


10 posted on 03/29/2008 9:39:22 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Thanks


11 posted on 03/29/2008 9:40:09 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Welcome to the Middle East: Some days are Sunni, but most are Shi'ite)
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To: G8 Diplomat

You’re welcome.


12 posted on 03/29/2008 9:41:18 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: G8 Diplomat

Islam is a scourge — a continuation of the battle of heaven.


13 posted on 03/29/2008 9:49:37 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: G8 Diplomat
The numbers tell how peaceful Islam is...



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14 posted on 03/29/2008 9:49:37 PM PDT by JCG
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To: the invisib1e hand

not according to GW and the other new world orderers<p. to them it’s “the religion of peace”


15 posted on 03/29/2008 9:49:49 PM PDT by KTM rider (McCain '08, ....better than the alternative)
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To: KTM rider

Bush does what he is told to do. Expecting more will only bring disappointment.


16 posted on 03/29/2008 9:51:32 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: G8 Diplomat

Mo'Ham-Mud does look like a pretty bad-tempered little porker.

17 posted on 03/29/2008 10:00:31 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: G8 Diplomat

The truth this man is telling has not yet been confronted in the West, and certainly NOT by our so-called leaders. Even I would concede that it is not so easy to face the fact that 1.2 billion people on this planet are mired in a 7th century philosophy—one that is often inhuman and recommends enslaving half of its own population and targeting more than half the world’s remaining population for death or enslavement.

Even if 90 percent of believers are eventually persuaded to accept co-existence with the West, a global population of 100 million angry, bloodthirsty “true” believers is enough to threaten all of us.

And, this situation is gonna get way worse before it gets any better at all. If it does.


18 posted on 03/29/2008 10:01:23 PM PDT by CZB
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To: G8 Diplomat

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon expressed his fear that the posting to the Internet of Dutch politician Geert Wilders’ “Fitna”—a film linking Islamist violence with passages from the Koran—would “incite retribution.”

Ban said that “while freedom of speech sounds good in theory, its advocates are overlooking the risks. The Koran bids Muslims to spare unbelievers who submit and pay the jizya. But does Wilders acknowledge this option for peaceful coexistence with Islam? No. He one-sidedly focuses on the consequences to those who stubbornly reject this offer.”

“We must recognize that the real fault lies not with the Muslims, but with those who would place their values ahead of those of other cultures,” Ban continued. “The West’s failure to yield the right-of-way is responsible for the collision with Islam. The sooner we learn to comply, the safer we will all be.”

Following the release of his film, several Islamic web sites have posted Wilders’ picture in hopes that “someone may carry out Allah’s command against this infidel.” There have also been the usual street demonstrations in Muslim countries where mobs demand that Wilders be “butchered.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


19 posted on 03/29/2008 10:23:39 PM PDT by John Semmens
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To: John Semmens

“Peaceful coexistence with Islam”?? What is Ban thinking??

“Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and and cooperative councils. They are established as they [always] have been. By pen and gun, by word and bullet, by tongue and teeth. ...These young men realized that an Islamic government would never be established except by the bomb and rifle. Islam does not coincide or make a truce with unbelief, but rather confronts it. The confrontation that Islam calls for...does not know Socratic debates, Platonic ideals, nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialog of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine gun.” —From the al-Qaida terrorist manual (http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/manualpart1_1.pdf)

Ban is equating infidels paying a tax to survive as “coexisting peacefully.” If Muslims wanted to coexist peacefully with us they would respect our religion and let us live without paying them a tax. And what is “the sooner we comply, the better” supposed to mean? That we all submit to Shari’ah law??

I would ask how this moron got to be Secretary General of the UN, but the UN part answers the question.


20 posted on 03/29/2008 10:28:36 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Welcome to the Middle East: Some days are Sunni, but most are Shi'ite)
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To: John Semmens

Oh wait...AZ Conservative is satire, isn’t it.

Sigh...when you can’t tell the difference between satire and reality, that’s a problem. Sorry about that....


21 posted on 03/29/2008 10:29:41 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Welcome to the Middle East: Some days are Sunni, but most are Shi'ite)
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To: John Semmens
"United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon expressed his fear that the posting to the Internet of Dutch politician Geert Wilders’ “Fitna”—a film linking Islamist violence with passages from the Koran—would “incite retribution.”

But it's not the murderous and brutal ways of Islam that he's concerned about, it's the internet that he want's to censor and control.

22 posted on 03/29/2008 10:36:48 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: John Semmens

Posted with the usual disclaimers, I see.


23 posted on 03/29/2008 10:38:10 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: G8 Diplomat
"“We must recognize that the real fault lies not with the Muslims, but with those who would place their values ahead of those of other cultures,” Ban continued. “The West’s failure to yield the right-of-way is responsible for the collision with Islam. The sooner we learn to comply, the safer we will all be.”

obviosly, Ban thinks we should submit. The man isn't fit to occupy that position as far as I'm concerned. Then again, the Un has been infiltrated by muslims to a large degree, and isn't fit to exist at all.

24 posted on 03/29/2008 10:41:12 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: G8 Diplomat
However, no one ever talks about the Arab colonialism which is very active in every single non-Arab Muslim country.

Tell the multiculturalists to put that in their peace pipe and smoke it!

25 posted on 03/29/2008 10:44:16 PM PDT by Nateman (You only need to fool half of them once every two years.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Only the United Nations would appoint a Muslim to head the international nuclear watchdog agency....


26 posted on 03/29/2008 10:46:02 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Welcome to the Middle East: Some days are Sunni, but most are Shi'ite)
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To: CZB
CZB.
The religious war has already started the front lines are now in Europe. The folks in Europe know exactly what is going on. The muslim punks burned a big chunk of the Paris suburbs last year. In other areas of Old Europe murders for honor and family are becoming more widespread every month. There have been several groups busted for sexually mulilating their young girls within the last year too, all of them muslim. These people have no intentions of fitting in or adapting to western civilization. They are determined to bring their 7th century cult crap with them. Islam tells us each and every day that they will impose their cult religion on the world by force. They tell us that we will either convert or we will be murdered.
Am I wrong because I believe that they are going to try and do what they say they are going to do???? I truly believe that it is time to lock and load and find out exactly where every potential enemy lives and attends mosque for their terrorist tutoring and instigation. If you don't remember, there was a story posted a few weeks ago that had footage of many mosques right here in the US preaching the terrorist line. It was 4 out of every 10 mosques they visited and taped were teaching hate and death for non muslims. All this right here at home. We will eventually have to fight, be enslaved or die. I've made my choice.
27 posted on 03/29/2008 10:55:06 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: Post Toasties

ROTFLM*O!!

I love that image. Fits my conception of mohammadanizm perfectly

A.A.C.

this is the Final Crusade - dip your bullets in hog lard, keep your powder dry, and your trigger finger itchy!


28 posted on 03/29/2008 11:34:00 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Although you are right about the U.N., Semmens annoyingly posts made up stuff in quotes as if it were real.


29 posted on 03/30/2008 2:15:55 AM PDT by deks
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To: Nathan Zachary

Not suprising that Mohammed would order all apostates to be killed, simply because he followed his “god”, a false god, the DEVIL.

God Bless Mr. Allam and his heroic step to become a Christian. Welcome to the Church, brother Christiano.


30 posted on 03/30/2008 3:09:21 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: oldenuff2no

Thanks for your comment. Remember this is not just a war we non-Muslims are fighting but a war between Heaven and Hell, between the God of the Holy Bible and the false god of the Koran, the ENEMY. But I know the former will bring a certain victory over the later.


31 posted on 03/30/2008 3:14:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Cindy

Thanks for the link. This man chucked Islam and exposes Islam....very good


32 posted on 03/30/2008 3:16:26 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: John Semmens

Well the cat is out of the bag, the Fitna movie is all over the internet.


33 posted on 03/30/2008 3:17:21 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Huntress

He could use a Kevlar neck scarf.


34 posted on 03/30/2008 3:46:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Second it. In the end it will be won by the Kingdom of Heaven.


35 posted on 03/30/2008 4:13:14 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Mr. Allam is the symbol of those Muslims, 6 million in all, who leave Islam each year, often to embrace the Christian faith.


36 posted on 03/30/2008 4:15:07 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Then again, the Un has been infiltrated by muslims to a large degree, and isn't fit to exist at all.

In other news, the sun rose in the west this morning and is expected to set in the east....

The UN is not a friend to the USA and it is well past time for us to sever all ties with it.

Another obvious statement

37 posted on 03/30/2008 4:36:12 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben, reports to Parris Island on June 30.)
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To: don-o

east/west - west/east

don-o knows better than to post before coffee


38 posted on 03/30/2008 4:39:00 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben, reports to Parris Island on June 30.)
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To: don-o
In other news, the sun rose in the west this morning and is expected to set in the east....

Well..... that definately is news to me! lol

39 posted on 03/30/2008 4:41:48 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: G8 Diplomat
Obvious, yes...but somehow hearing it from someone who was on the inside, so to speak, gives it even more veracity. Between this and Fitna, Allah is having a bad month.
40 posted on 03/30/2008 6:27:55 AM PDT by kelsiejackson
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To: G8 Diplomat

What Islam needs is its own Reformation.


41 posted on 03/30/2008 7:14:26 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: KTM rider; All
not according to GW

I'm not sure it's the president's job to criticize a religion. His job is to run the country, and this country is founded on the principal of blind justice.

The president is to be commended for his grace and professionalism, as well as his restraint, among his many other surpassing leadership skills.

42 posted on 03/30/2008 7:21:19 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (How much worse would things be if Eve had been "empowered?")
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To: G8 Diplomat

The Wall Street Journal had a good article on reaction of REAL Muslims
(aka “Islamists”) to the conversion in their Friday issue.

Amazing that more mainstream folks aren’t jazzed about Islam’s anger
over this man’s conversion...and the usual sentence of death for
apostacy from Islam.

Sounds like leaving Islam is as hazardous as leaving the Mafia.
(If the Mafia exists.../sarc)


43 posted on 03/30/2008 7:40:29 AM PDT by VOA
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To: G8 Diplomat

Yet no mention of Jesus Christ. Odd.


44 posted on 03/30/2008 8:50:05 AM PDT by avenir
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To: oldenuff2no

The religious war has already started the front lines are now in Europe. The folks in Europe know exactly what is going on. The muslim punks burned a big chunk of the Paris suburbs last year. In other areas of Old Europe murders for honor and family are becoming more widespread every month. There have been several groups busted for sexually mulilating their young girls within the last year too, all of them muslim. These people have no intentions of fitting in or adapting to western civilization. They are determined to bring their 7th century cult crap with them. Islam tells us each and every day that they will impose their cult religion on the world by force. They tell us that we will either convert or we will be murdered.
Am I wrong because I believe that they are going to try and do what they say they are going to do???? I truly believe that it is time to lock and load and find out exactly where every potential enemy lives and attends mosque for their terrorist tutoring and instigation. If you don’t remember, there was a story posted a few weeks ago that had footage of many mosques right here in the US preaching the terrorist line. It was 4 out of every 10 mosques they visited and taped were teaching hate and death for non muslims. All this right here at home. We will eventually have to fight, be enslaved or die. I’ve made my choice.


Sarkozy and maybe a few other leaders in Europe “get it,” but I still think they are inclined to hesitate rather than act. The jihadis have traditionally counted on this instinct in the West to keep turning the other cheek.

I totally agree with you about the mosques here in the USA. Too many are bastions of jihad support, if not openly during Friday prayers then in the back rooms during smaller, more tactical activities and meetings and conferences.

Most big American cities have an Islamic Society umbrella that operates simultaneously on multiple levels, with an outward-facing benign disposition but not far beneath this surface, well, it’s a whole different story. It starts with simple stuff like “Sign up for the bus trip to the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Washington next week,” and degenerates from there.

Muslim immigrant presence in the US (especially those from Arab countries) is not at all about assimilation but is more like colonization. Our political leadership doesn’t have the stomach to push it back at this point, so I understand why you or anyone else would begin citing your right to defend yourself and your way of life. When I saw the government veering in the overly PC direction post-9/11, I was really worried that the message being sent from Washington to the American people was, “You’re on your own.” That’s not leadership.


45 posted on 03/30/2008 9:20:51 AM PDT by CZB
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To: the invisib1e hand

not according to GW

I’m not sure it’s the president’s job to criticize a religion. His job is to run the country, and this country is founded on the principal of blind justice.

The president is to be commended for his grace and professionalism, as well as his restraint, among his many other surpassing leadership skills.


Well, I agree it’s not the president’s job to criticize a religion if he’s doing so entirely on theological grounds. But if a religion is exploited by power-mad maniacs in order to operate a death cult, how can he not at least criticize it, and not take forceful action against it—??

The US is a secular democracy in no small part so as to protect the practice of religion. “Tolerance” is a two-way street, and the religions owe some allegiance to the democracy, whether they like it or not. In this context, a “religion” that advises the killing or enslavement of the very people who comprise the democracy stops being a “religion” and simply becomes an enemy.

In essence, it is an error of thinking and tactics to grant the jihadis any “religious” standing at all. I wouldn’t say Bush has done this overtly, but he has veered in that direction too often. The fact of the matter is, Muslims in America and other parts of the free world have a special problem to deal with: they are guilty and must prove themselves innocent. All groups have their particular crosses to bear. There are ways a president can hold the Muslim world at large more responsible for the cultists within their ranks. And make them pay when they do not.

I think Bush has been too graceful, and possibly by orders of magnitude.


46 posted on 03/30/2008 9:45:20 AM PDT by CZB
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To: CZB
and not take forceful action against it—??

Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran's on the table....
47 posted on 03/30/2008 10:06:44 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Welcome to the Middle East: Some days are Sunni, but most are Shi'ite)
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To: CZB
Most big American cities have an Islamic Society umbrella



Scary....
48 posted on 03/30/2008 10:07:54 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Welcome to the Middle East: Some days are Sunni, but most are Shi'ite)
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To: G8 Diplomat
Of course it's inherently violent. Does anyone with two brain cells left to rub together really need to be told this, or need to even ask this question?

Of course the moonbats I expect this of...

49 posted on 03/30/2008 12:14:10 PM PDT by Boagenes (q)
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To: G8 Diplomat
Of course it's inherently violent. Does anyone with two brain cells left to rub together really need to be told this, or need to even ask this question?

Of course the moonbats I expect this of...

50 posted on 03/30/2008 12:15:26 PM PDT by Boagenes
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