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Militias control parts of Basra
The Boston Globe (New York Times News Service) ^ | James Glanz and Michael Kamber

Posted on 03/30/2008 8:29:37 AM PDT by afortiori

BAGHDAD - Shi'ite militiamen in Basra openly controlled wide swaths of the city yesterday and staged increasingly bold raids on Iraqi government forces sent in five days ago to wrest control from the gunmen, witnesses said, as Iraqi political leaders grew increasingly critical of the stalled assault.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: basra; iraq; media; sadr; shiite
While this rather thinly sourced headline article comports with the NYT/Boston Globe narrative, does this story comport with anything you've read elsewhere?
1 posted on 03/30/2008 8:29:39 AM PDT by afortiori
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To: afortiori
This NYT story is not consistent with today's news. It looks dated to the beginning of the Mahdi Army assault earlier last week though.

No doubt the NYT is unable to get any of their reporters close to the scene

2 posted on 03/30/2008 8:31:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: afortiori

No. It looks like the New York Times organization cheering for the terrorists once again.


3 posted on 03/30/2008 8:33:32 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold, the Rosenbergs and Joe Kennedy were all against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: afortiori

Interestingly (word?) enough, this “headline and story” conflicts with the “ Sadr Says Enough” article dated just a few minutes before and found a couple of items below this one. Oh, I looked at the writers of this article (NYT “News” service, and theBoston Globe) and found the reason. Move along, nothing of any intellectual import to read here, folks.


4 posted on 03/30/2008 8:34:26 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: afortiori

That was the NYT position yesterday. Today they will be saying Maliki has irreparably ruined the country with his successful attacks on the militias and has set back political unity a decade........

and the NYT will point out that even though they preached for 3 years Iraquis must step up; now they will say they never should have stepped up.


5 posted on 03/30/2008 8:39:26 AM PDT by HD1200
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Why would you post NYT’s garbage here anyway......????


6 posted on 03/30/2008 8:40:26 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: afortiori
Most news stories are reporting that Muqtada al-Sadr is begging for a truce and yet the Left Wing Media is still reporting that the good guys are getting our butts handed to us by a bunch of miscreants.

So MSM, which is it, are we losing or not.

7 posted on 03/30/2008 8:43:00 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: HD1200

Question: “Why would you post NYT’s garbage here anyway......????”

Answer: Know thy enemy.


8 posted on 03/30/2008 8:44:07 AM PDT by afortiori
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To: afortiori
The Boston Globe speaking in Nytimese reports "[U]nfortunately with the presence of this new government and this democracy that was brought to us by the invader, it made us kill each other.

The invader strikes again! (That'd be us.) The MSM discovers what made the religion of peace turn to violence.

9 posted on 03/30/2008 8:45:17 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: afortiori
So once again the nyt is caught w/ their bias down. The scum spread anti-american propaganda like a crop duster.

EXPOSED!

10 posted on 03/30/2008 8:48:25 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: afortiori

Know thy enemy? Oh come on. Knowing they enemy is NOT printing their propaganda unless you have an agenda. All you had to do is goggle Iraq Sadr and see current developments before posting something that is already old and inaccurate news.........


11 posted on 03/30/2008 8:48:32 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: afortiori
headline article comports with the NYT/Boston Globe narrative

Wishful thinking perhaps. If sadr is defeated, they will be deeply saddened.

12 posted on 03/30/2008 8:52:16 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: afortiori

“does this story comport with anything you’ve read elsewhere?”

Well, the headline does, “ Militias control parts of Basra”, according to Gen. Hayden just this morning. I don’t know about the rest of the story.


13 posted on 03/30/2008 8:57:33 AM PDT by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: HD1200
Trust me, I'm reveling in the fact that the Boston Globe likely has “egg” all over their front-page headline this morning. Even the NYT’s coverage is more circumspect.

I trust Freepers to separate the wheat from the chafe, and to analyze and recognize this “news story” for what it is.

I'm not willing to let the Globe's stupidity and bias pass by the boards unnoticed. That's exactly what they want to be able to do when their bias out paces their accuracy.

14 posted on 03/30/2008 8:57:48 AM PDT by afortiori
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To: HD1200

Why act like obedient lobotomized leftist ideologues by keeping our noses buried in only our own sources. Ignoramuses don’t win wars. I don’t have an identity problem and I never feel threatened by considering the total field of psyops and propaganda. In low intensity cultural conflict, you absolutely have to know what is going on, not so much to understand the mind of the enemy, which is a no-brainer, but to gauge swings in permissability and ascertain the effectiveness of one’s own psyops.

Anyhow it’s fun to watch the MSM commit suicide. They didn’t consider the Swift Boat Internet in their strategic calculations. Time is not on their side.


15 posted on 03/30/2008 9:01:11 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: nuconvert

Haydean on MTP was pre-recorded. This is new news this AM.


16 posted on 03/30/2008 9:01:25 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: afortiori
"does this story comport with anything you've read elsewhere?"

Yes, it's completely in line with numerous stories here on FR, describing Putz and his newspaper as a shill for the Extremists.

17 posted on 03/30/2008 9:01:34 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: HD1200

Al Sadr doesn’t control all the militias in Basra.


18 posted on 03/30/2008 9:03:56 AM PDT by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: nuconvert

I should have pointed at that the Hayden pre-recording was behind the NEW news of Sadr’s pulling his men off the street:

Sadr’s call for an end to fighting by his followers comes as his Mahdi Army has taken high casualties over the past six days. Since the fighting began on Tuesday 358 Mahdi Army fighters were killed, 531 were wounded, 343 were captured, and 30 surrendered. The US and Iraqi security forces have killed 125 Mahdi Army fighters in Baghdad alone, while Iraqi security forces have killed 140 Mahdi fighters in Basra.

From March 25-29 the Mahdi Army had an average of 71 of its fighters killed per day. Sixty-nine fighters have been captured per day, and another 160 have been reported wounded per day during the fighting. The US and Iraqi military never came close to inflicting casualties during the height of major combat operations against al Qaeda in Iraq during the summer and fall of 2007.

US and Iraqi forces are maintaining the high pace of operations against the Mahdi Army and the Special Groups. While the daily reporting from Iraq is far from over, initial reports indicate at least 18 Mahdi Army fighters have been killed and another 30 captured.

US soldiers killed 14 Mahdi fighters in Baghdad during a series of separate engagements. Iraqi security forces killed four Mahdi Army fighters and captured another 30 in Babil province, where a major offensive led by the police has been underway.


19 posted on 03/30/2008 9:04:55 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: nuconvert

Yes, you are right. Those that do not respond to his calls to lay down arms are still fair targets. Separating the wheat from the chaff.


20 posted on 03/30/2008 9:07:22 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: afortiori
Notice how in this article there is no mention of casualties. The best way to judge the seriousness of a confrontation is to review how many people have been died/wounded in said battle. But the NYT author is slick and won't tell you this, because very few people have been killed. The purpose of the story is to pretend violence is out of control in the South of Iraq.
21 posted on 03/30/2008 9:12:09 AM PDT by Kleebo151
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To: afortiori

Right....they control parts of Basra...

The part they happen to be presently occupying while &%$&$ their pants in anticipation of what is to come...

Once an armed warrior approaches — the “thug” will move on to
“control” a different part of Basra.


22 posted on 03/30/2008 9:24:30 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: afortiori

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/trudy_rubin/20080330_Worldview__Basra_blunder.html

here’s somebody else whose POV was out the window before the ink was dry. Oh, wait! Maybe she meant her own Basra blunder.


23 posted on 03/30/2008 10:16:19 AM PDT by gusopol3
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