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Cell Phones more deadly than Cigarettes? Will higher taxes, insurance premiums and ban be in order?
Associated Content ^ | March 31st, 2008 | Bobby Tall Horse

Posted on 03/31/2008 9:06:53 AM PDT by stillafreemind

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To: Retired Chemist
The study has not been peer reviewed

But unlike the issue of secondhand smoke, once this one is peer-reviewed and it is shown to have been cherry picked the media will NOT keep quiet about it.

51 posted on 03/31/2008 10:10:42 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

I agree. What’s good for the goose’s gravy is good for the gander’s gravy.


52 posted on 03/31/2008 10:11:48 AM PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

We must ban cell phone use in public! Millions will die horrible deaths due to second hand exposure to cell phones. It’s for the children!


53 posted on 03/31/2008 10:12:24 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Thebaddog; HoosierHawk
This isn’t science, it’s self promotion.

Exactly right. But unlike the self-promotion of the anti-smoker industry, when this is debunked, or doesn't pass peer review the media will be all over it.

54 posted on 03/31/2008 10:13:10 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: AbeKrieger
I don’t know what it is about three hundred pound women in supermarkets, but seemingly every one of them is glued to their cell phone.

I wish it was just the 300 pound women in supermarkets.

55 posted on 03/31/2008 10:14:01 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Whoa, $10 a month??? Pay as you go??? Can you tell me more about this??

TracFone. You can buy the phones and call cards at Walmart or online at www.tracfone.com. They sometimes offer refurbished phones for free if you buy a call card at the normal price.

56 posted on 03/31/2008 10:14:31 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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To: stillafreemind; Gabz

57 posted on 03/31/2008 10:14:45 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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58 posted on 03/31/2008 10:15:03 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Whoa...there for a minute I thought that was the second hand smoke detector going off! Whew!!


59 posted on 03/31/2008 10:17:05 AM PDT by stillafreemind
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To: gondramB

Cellphone power levels are insignificant, even when held tightly against your head, 0.6 watt. Your skin absorbs more than that from the sun in 5 minutes. The old “brick” phones were quite a bit more powerful (3 watts) and *MAY* have posed a small hazard.

The problem with cellphones is the distraction they are while driving. Talking on a cellphone actually raises your likelihood of an accident above the risk in being legally drunk behind the wheel!


60 posted on 03/31/2008 10:20:26 AM PDT by Don W ( Did you hear about the guy whose whole left side was cut off? . . . He's all right now...)
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To: Don W

As I understand it the radiation spreads inversely with the cube of the distance. So the difference between 1 cm and 20 cm away is 8000:1


61 posted on 03/31/2008 10:24:54 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: MEGoody

Ditto. The ones I see glued to their electronic binkies are generally twentysomethings, or in the supermarket they are thirtysomething daddies whose kids are dismantling the shop and screaming for goodies.

I think there is a good argument for the deleterious effects of second-hand cell phone fallout though; it frequently causes me to have homicidal thoughts, especially in the movies and at church!


62 posted on 03/31/2008 10:26:43 AM PDT by Appleby
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To: stillafreemind

I read the basic article - and I have problems with the conclusions.

The big one is that cellphones have morphed significantly in the last 10 years. 10 years ago we were using 700 Mhz FM radios putting out 1W or there abouts. Now we’re using 1.8 Ghz (I believe..) spread spectrum phones putting out 100-300mW. The energy/Hz is extremely small for the new radios.

Further, the higher the frequency - the less depth penetration it is going to have into a solid media (read skin..) (Depth penetration being a function primarily of wavelength...which is smaller at higher freqeuencies ..)

Lastly - and mostly anecdotally - it seems like most of the ham radio operators I know are at LEAST 80 years old - looks more like RF is life preserving! ;-)

I’m treating this like global warming.


63 posted on 03/31/2008 10:30:53 AM PDT by fremont_steve (Milpitas - a great place to be FROM!)
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To: 1FreeAmerican

Were your speakers on?


64 posted on 03/31/2008 10:31:46 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: i_dont_chat
"I remember rumors that television would cause cancer. Anyone else remember this?"

I would have except my TV gave me eye and ear cancer and I passed away.

65 posted on 03/31/2008 10:32:13 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: stillafreemind

66 posted on 03/31/2008 10:32:54 AM PDT by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: stillafreemind
And one wonders.

And one wonders if this is the same bunch of yahoos who claimed that you can get cancer from living near high voltage power lines...or from drinking coffee.....or....

67 posted on 03/31/2008 10:34:02 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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I’m probably the last person on the planet without one of those annoying things but please forgive me for smirking thinking of all of the annoying people who yell into them in resturants not being around soon.


68 posted on 03/31/2008 10:34:04 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Retired Chemist

Thay transmit rf also.


69 posted on 03/31/2008 10:34:26 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: uglybiker
And one wonders if this is the same bunch of yahoos who claimed that you can get cancer from living near high voltage power lines...or from drinking coffee.....or....

YUP!!!!!

70 posted on 03/31/2008 10:35:45 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: stillafreemind

There is no rf being transmitted with a landline and a speaker phone is just a phone with amplified audio, whether cordless, landline or cellular.


71 posted on 03/31/2008 10:37:26 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stillafreemind

It wouldn’t be much of a receiver if it wasn’t on.


72 posted on 03/31/2008 10:38:31 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: knightforhire
"I watch the old I’ve Got a Secret Show - Gary Moore and the guests are smoking up a storm. Back in the 50’s and 60’s and before smoking was considered safe especially with filters and the industry squashed all the studies saying otherwise. But humans liked the nicotine impact on their emotions and so they ignored it all."

You must be very young and read this somewhere. I was around in the 50's and 60's and everyone with a functioning brain knew about the dangers of smoking cigarettes. They didn't need the government to make it 'official'.

Of course there were - and still are - those who deny the effects of smoking cigarettes, but there will always be people who are dumb on purpose.

73 posted on 03/31/2008 10:38:52 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: grjr21

Tell him to turn the AC on.


74 posted on 03/31/2008 10:40:38 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Nathan Zachary

What happens when it rings, for pete’s sake it seems like it does that about every thirty seconds.


75 posted on 03/31/2008 10:41:18 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I'm a TWiP and I'm proud.)
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To: stillafreemind

High taxes, lawsuits, yes. Subsidies for factories, yes. Ban, no.


76 posted on 03/31/2008 10:43:06 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (http://www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html or try http://astore.amazon.com/bemasnebo-20)
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To: stillafreemind
If this is true, since cell phones have been in use for over 22 years, we should see a lot of folks keeling any day now.

At least it will help ease the social security and Medicare cost overruns with so much of the population having killed themselves by using their cellphones too often, right?

77 posted on 03/31/2008 10:43:42 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: gondramB

That’s my point exactly! The amount of radiated energy (EMF) is insignificant when held against the skull. The energy absorbed decreases geometrically as distance increases. Then there’s the blocking effect of hair, skin, cartilage and bone to factor in.

Anyone who wishes to be cautious or even paranoid, I have no argument with. However, anyone who wants to impose their fear on the public is likely in for a very nasty fight. I was one of the legions who fought against the smoke Gnatzis and their use of this exact method, and we lost. I’m watching it occur with AGW, and now cellphones, and am wholly disgusted with what we have wrought by failing to watch our own.

On the side: the “warping” of your monitor’s screen image can be even more pronounced if you take a simple magnet and play with it near the screen. After all, that’s all electricity is: the interaction between magnetic lines of force and conductors. Radio waves are a combination of the two (they have both magnetic effects and are energetic).

Do you know anyone who’s ever been harmed by a simple magnet?


78 posted on 03/31/2008 10:45:11 AM PDT by Don W ( Did you hear about the guy whose whole left side was cut off? . . . He's all right now...)
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To: Don W
"Do you know anyone who’s ever been harmed by a simple magnet?"

Yes, I have a friend who knows a guy who's brother's best-friend's sister in law's neighbor's aunt was killed by an small but angry magnet.

You can look it up! (sarc off)

79 posted on 03/31/2008 10:50:00 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: Don W

How can cell phones be more of a distraction than a backseat full of screaming fighting children? I find most of the distraction is just the normal distraction experienced when talking to someone while driving. Yes, there is a bit more manipulation involved, but I refer you back to the soccer mom with the soccer team in the back. We’ve all seen the example of driving down the road while simultaneously giving a spanking, hung halfway over the backseat.


80 posted on 03/31/2008 11:09:55 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I'm a TWiP and I'm proud.)
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To: stillafreemind

I like the idea of banning them things in bars and restaurants.

Might be bad for their employees and my health being exposed to second hand cell phone calls.

If second hand smoke is so bad, these things might well be worse.


81 posted on 03/31/2008 11:10:28 AM PDT by 66-442hot (It isn't smart to kill the golden goose........)
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To: stillafreemind

I like the idea of banning them things in bars and restaurants.

Might be bad for their employees and my health being exposed to second hand cell phone calls.

If second hand smoke is so bad, these things might well be worse.


82 posted on 03/31/2008 11:11:06 AM PDT by 66-442hot (It isn't smart to kill the golden goose........)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


83 posted on 03/31/2008 11:12:32 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: A_perfect_lady; Nathan Zachary

We’ve been using TracFones for years now, but it looks like we’re going to have to go to regular cell phones as our second one is going off to college. In general, we’ve had good luck with Tracfones, except my daughter. Her phones have given her no end to trouble, but then again, she also goes through watches at a fair rate.

With TracFones, you just have to make sure you get more units before the day on the phone says because otherwise you lose the number. If you run out of minutes, you just can’t call until you buy more. If your time expires, that’s when you have problems.


84 posted on 03/31/2008 11:13:52 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: gondramB
But the risk can’t be as high as this guy says because we’d see much higher death rates with most of the population using cell pones.

Whatchu talkin' 'bout?
As far as I know the death rate is still at 100%.
;^P

85 posted on 03/31/2008 11:17:30 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: fanfan

Yes, and with music coming out of them.


86 posted on 03/31/2008 11:20:48 AM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Just another Joe
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87 posted on 03/31/2008 11:29:55 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Gabz

thanks, bfl


88 posted on 03/31/2008 11:42:00 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: 1FreeAmerican

Hmmm.

Maybe your phone is more shielded than mine.


89 posted on 03/31/2008 11:58:59 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: stillafreemind
There are 3 Billion cell phone users worldwide. That's 3x more than smoke.

So because there are three times as many cell phone users as smokers, using cell phones is three times as dangerous?

I replaced my land line with a cell phone years ago, but I've yet to see any studies that showed a real relationship between normal cell phone usage and cancer. I've heard a lot of hype that has little to do with science, but I'm still waiting for evidence.

I do at times use my cell phone for extended periods of time. However, since holding a cell phone to my ear isn't all that comfortable, I usually use my bluetooth headset for longer calls or when driving. The bluetooth headset has a lot lower transmit power than the phone itself so it emits a lot less radiation, and I'm able to set my phone on the table and walk 20 feet or more from it without noticeable loss in sound quality. If I go 30 feet away I get to be hard to understand.

That means that my cell phone antenna is rarely next to my brain for extended periods of time, and as you get farther away from the source, you rapidly decrease the amount of radiation to which you are exposed.

And maybe people (like me) that don't use cell phones unless its an emergency, would rather not be seated in bars and restaurants where cell phones are in use. Ah, can you say ban?

That idiotic comment tells me that this moron didn't bother doing any research whatsoever before writing this column. Unless they are holding the phone up against your ear for hours on end you are getting a minuscule fraction of the radiation you get from using the phone yourself, which isn't much.

If you want to avoid all radiation related to cell phones you need to hide yourself in a Faraday cage, because we are all constantly receiving radiation emitted from cell towers unless you're somewhere that has no cell coverage.

The levels are extremely low, and not harmful, but such idiots as this author can't seem to grasp that it takes pretty high levels of radiation before they become harmful.

Dr. Vini Khurana not only said that cell phones double the risk of brain cancer after 10 years...

At what level of exposure? How strong of a signal, how close to the ear, for how long?

How was this determined? If based on actual case studies, the study size would have to be huge for a doubling of the extremely low rate to be statistically significant. It seems impossible for this to be a solidly measured figure.

I have very little faith in someone who makes sensationalize and vague claims about something that doubles an extremely low risk after ten years of sustained use, yet feels that it is so urgent that he demands something be done about it even before he publishes his study and it has been exposed to peer review.

90 posted on 03/31/2008 12:31:15 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Don W

Of course, that same amount of radiation will go through walls, buildings, autos etc and travel miles through inclement weax to get to the cell tower.


91 posted on 03/31/2008 12:45:49 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: untrained skeptic
That idiotic comment tells me that this moron didn't bother doing any research whatsoever before writing this column.

Actually the writer of the column is pointing out just how absurd the claims of this "study" really are.

The "study" claims that cell phone use is so much worse than smoking, so this columnist is using the same logic as the anti-smoker industry if it is bad for the user it must also be bad for those around them...........thus showing ridiculousness of BOTH claims.

92 posted on 03/31/2008 1:16:37 PM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: stillafreemind

I bet more people use cotton balls than drink sulfuric acid. Therefore, cotton balls are evidently more dangerous than ingesting H2SO4.


93 posted on 03/31/2008 1:42:50 PM PDT by Famishus (North of the equator, the Death Spiral is clockwise.)
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To: untrained skeptic

Jeepers...ever read something and passed it on? LOL..kinda letting the old cell phone story take you on a bit of a rant? I find this very amusing in so many ways.

But hey..cell phones don’t hurt anything. Let your kids use them from cradle to grave..right? ‘Cause at least it ain’t smokin’!

Get a grip...keep the old phone glued to the side of your head..anyone ever notice how “unattractive” a cell phone user is? lol


94 posted on 03/31/2008 1:55:30 PM PDT by stillafreemind
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To: Gabz
The "study" claims that cell phone use is so much worse than smoking, so this columnist is using the same logic as the anti-smoker industry if it is bad for the user it must also be bad for those around them...........thus showing ridiculousness of BOTH claims.

Yea, I'm pretty sick of the anti-smoking advertising that is paid for with tax payer money here in Ohio. I think smoking is a dirty, disgusting habit. I however am disgusted by the outright lies about smoking that are being told with taxpayer funds. Not because I'm sympathetic to smokers in general, but because I believe that anyone intentionally using taxpayer dollars to lie to taxpayers should be tossed in jail and have their assets confiscated to repay those funds.

There are lots of good and truthful reasons to not smoke.

Second hand smoke has never been proved to be a serious health hazard. It is however smelly and disgusting, which I believe is why the majority has voted to ban it in restaurants in most states.

I highly suspect that most people would have voted for the smoking bands without the outrageous claims by the anti-smoking lobby, and I doubt most people even believe those claims since they are so outrageous. However, liberals just seem to think that they have to lie to people because they know what is best for them, and getting people to agree with them is far more important to them than honesty.

95 posted on 03/31/2008 2:11:44 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: libertarian27

Thanks for the ping.


96 posted on 03/31/2008 2:55:33 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: chris_bdba

No you aren’t. I refuse to get one myself. I want my quiet time (when I leave the house) without being bothered.


97 posted on 03/31/2008 3:48:54 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("Rush has unsealed the mummy's tomb-he has unleashed the undead."-Hugh Hewitt)
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To: untrained skeptic
I highly suspect that most people would have voted for the smoking bands

I think agreeing with the concept that anyone can vote away another's property rights is dirty and disgusting, regardless of the conditions under which it's done.

I'm unsympathetic to its adherents.

98 posted on 03/31/2008 4:01:28 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Appleby

You have a gift of expression. I especially dig “electronic binkies,” LOL.

And welcome to FR!


99 posted on 03/31/2008 8:44:38 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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To: fanfan

Sorry for the late response - I have a new Motorola i580 thru Nextel/Sprint. Coverage sucks but the push-to-talk is really helpful in my business. This unit also has an off-network walkie-talkie feature - up to 10 miles line of site.


100 posted on 03/31/2008 10:33:58 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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