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Terri Schiavo's Family Calls for Observance of Terri's Day to Honor Disabled Woman
Life News ^ | 3/31/08 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 03/31/2008 2:52:07 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: 8mmMauser
I remember growing up when the Olympics was a peaceful extension of the Cold War and it was great. I remember being nine during the 76 Olympics and McDonalds had some game going where if the US won you got free fries or whatever and it was great. That all seems lost now. The entire idea of amateur athletes has been abandoned and basketball players will now go to whatever country pays the most.

But I've been thinking about the the Beijing Olympics and I couldn't help but realize that the Olympics have been hosted by evil regimes on two other occasions, Berlin in 1936 and Moscow in 1980 (the Winter Olympics were in Sarajevo in 1984 but Yugoslavia was always more a powder keg than a military power) and BOTH times the evil regime had collapsed within about a decade.

When Carter kept America out of the Moscow Olympics in 1980, two things happened:
1. We allowed the Soviets to claim "victory" by saying that the Americans knew they would lose so they stayed home.
2. An untold number of American athletes had their dreams shattered because an impotent president preferred this to standing up to communism. Many of these athletes compete in sports where there is only one chance to be the best (gymnastics is the main one, but also swimming and track and field events), most of them had trained their entire lives for this opportunity (and in many cases their families had made incredible sacrifices) and Carter took it away.

101 posted on 04/07/2008 7:05:15 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser; Hildy

So, mademoiselle big eye refused medical treatment. I KNEW it. I watch the Discovery Channel. I can’t RIP mademoiselle cuz if she committed suicide, resting in peace is not an option?


102 posted on 04/07/2008 4:39:58 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee

Ten minutes of My Name is Earl?


103 posted on 04/07/2008 5:27:54 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: floriduh voter

The batteries on the remote were bad and I didn’t feel like getting up, after ten minutes I couldn’t take any more.


104 posted on 04/07/2008 5:29:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

My Name is Earl is better than NBC news. They are the Obama news network. In Memphis, OBAMA was a no show for the MLK event. NBC did a voiceover McCain’s speech. Brian Williams made an apologee and said it wasn’t intentional. (I’m no McCain person by any stretch of the imagination, but NBC makes CNN look fair and balanced).


105 posted on 04/07/2008 5:31:20 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: floriduh voter

The only show I really like is Prison Break.


106 posted on 04/07/2008 5:35:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb

Prison Break? I thought it was called American Idol. I’d love to be on AI and get sent home. The losers end up doing better anyway. Prison Break is AI without the singing but they BOTH HAVE JUDGES.


107 posted on 04/07/2008 5:37:35 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb

Have you ever watched Prison Break? It’s great!

American Idol is just a remake of the Gong Show but they charge money to vote and send the money to leftists.


108 posted on 04/07/2008 5:39:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

But Chuck Barris had other talents as well! He was good at the BIG ZOT or so I heard.


109 posted on 04/08/2008 2:47:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Haleigh Poutre and others in similar straits...

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April 7, 2008 - It’s more common than you might think: people who were thought to be dead and now are healthy. Do we dare make the judgment on who lives and who dies?

In the Declaration of Independence, "life" is listed as a right--and is listed first. But some have attempted to change the meaning of this word, to suit their own purposes and agendas. Nobody told them the Declaration couldn’t be changed, but many hospitals, lawyers, legislators, and even clergy not only believe it can be changed, but have changed its meaning for their own purposes.

Sometimes people are told they will never recover from a serious injury, or their life is no longer worth living. Others are in constant pain. Still others may be thought to be in a 'comatose' or 'permanent vegetative state'. Faced with these circumstances some in authority believe it is not only okay, but prudent, to put an end to life when confronted with these circumstances. Have you ever noticed that patients are only told this when they can’t respond? And their closest relatives are complicit with the urge to put them "down"?

Here are a just a few of the recent cases in the news about people though to be beyond hope and targets of euthanasia.

1) From June of 2007 - Jan Grzewski was a Polish railway worker who was hospitalized after an injury at work and remained in a coma; doctors found cancer in his brain and predicted he would not recover; after 19 years he spontaneously woke up and talked about memories of when he was in a coma.

2) From September of 2007 – A Venezualian named Carlos Camejo was declared dead after a highway accident, and was sent to a morgue; he woke up in excruciating pain while medical examiners started their autopsy; examiners determined something was amiss when the body started bleeding.

3) From October of 2007 - Jesse Ramirez, from Phoenix, AZ, was considered fatally injured when his SUV crashed into a pottery store; his wife made the decision to pull his feeding tube out and Jesse went 6 days without food or water; all had prepared for his aforementioned death; shortly after hospice officials reported that Jesse was indeed awake and alert; he was transferred to a rehab center and put into recovery.

4) From February of 2008 – The relatives of a 65 year old Minnesota woman named Raleane Kupferschmidt, were told by doctors she was brain dead with no brain activity, and that she would not recover; a CT scan revealed she had suffered a massive cerebral hemorrhage a month earlier; doctors had removed her breathing tube and were waiting for her to die; but she began sucking on an ice cube and began to mouth words; later she exclaimed "God’s not done with me yet."

5) In March of 2008 - A girl named Haleigh Poutre from Boston, MA was so brutally beaten 2 years ago by her adoptive parents she was left in a coma not expected to revive; a CAT scan revealed a subdural hematoma (blood on surface of brain); as a ward of the Massachusetts Department of Social Services, Haleigh was to have all life support removed after only 6 days; the court decided to euthanize her, and shortly thereafter she began breathing on her own; her feeding tube was left in and she has recovered most of her cognitive abilities.

If you do a little bit of digging you will find that these five cases are actually only tips of the iceberg of people coming back from an assumed death over the past few months. They are only a partial list of those considered dead for all practical purposes. How many more were there like these five that were actually euthanized that really weren’t dead. How many each month… each year? Did their loved ones not hear their cries for life? Was their feeding tube removed without knowing what would really happen in several years, months, or days? Were they even given a feeding tube?

Pope Benedict XVI recently stated that euthanasia "appears as one of the more alarming symptoms of the culture of death..." Don’t we remember Pope John Paul II taking sustenance through a feeding tube as he waved to onlookers through his upper window at the Vatican days before his death?

It’s easy to make the judgment that the existing life is not worth living, and opt for the death. One knows that many, who are not able to communicate in any way, are silently pleading to their killers to be kept alive. Life was started by God. It’s not ours to take. One only need to look to the Netherlands to know that this mentality, this ideology, of "playing God" will come back to bite us. And the bite may not only be physical, but could have spiritual consequences.

The Euthanasia Temptation: Those Who were Thought Dead might be Alive

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110 posted on 04/08/2008 2:52:43 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Sam Golubchuk...

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George Bernard Shaw hated doctors, and by avoiding them managed to live a vibrant and productive life until his death at age 95.

He summed up one of his major complaints against doctors in the brilliant prelude to his play The Doctor's Dilemma: "It may be necessary to hang a man or pull down a house. But we take good care not to make the hangman and the housebreaker the judges of that. If we did, then no neck would be safe and no house stable."

What Shaw is saying is that, in medicine, there are areas in which conflict of interest is a major factor in decision-making.

In Manitoba recently, this came to the fore in the case of 84-year-old Samuel Golubchuk, who had been diagnosed by his physicians as having no chance for recovery. His doctors ordered the Orthodox Jew to be removed from a ventilator and feeding tube but Golubchuk's children objected, in part because their father's religious beliefs would be violated if doctors pulled the plug. They took it to the Manitoba courts and a judge ruled he would remain on life support until a trial's determination.

The doctors' now-stalled decision was supported by a recent directive from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba. The family must be informed and given four days' notice, but the life-or-death decision rests solely with the doctors.

I would like to view this case in the context of conflict of interest. Not in the sense that Shaw meant. Clearly, the doctors would earn more money keeping Golubchuk alive than allowing him to die.

No, here the conflict is more subtle – but also more relevant for all of us who use health care. Put bluntly: the cost of care is being borne by those who will not receive any benefit from it. Mr. Golubchuk and/or his children are receiving what has been deemed to be unnecessary health care, solely because they demanded it.

In Canada, there is a finite amount of health-care money available. And 40 to 50 per cent of all the money spent on health care for someone will be spent in the last few months of their life – and of that, more than half in the last week or so.

Clearly, this is not money well spent in terms of years of life – or health – per dollar. Obviously we should spend to care for all who are sick. But toward the end of a life, the amount spent rises sharply and some argue that we are really just extending the dying process.

In this case it can be argued that for every day Golubchuk continues on extremely expensive life support, there is less money available for other medical needs.

One of the biggest issues in health care in Canada is how to decide where to spend our health-care dollars. These priorities will become more and more important.

We should not leave these decisions to the courts, since we run the risk of excluding those who should be making the decisions – you and I, the people who use, fund and, yes, work in the system.

Dr. Murray Waldman has been a family doctor, coroner and administrator.

Who pulls the plug?

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111 posted on 04/08/2008 2:59:27 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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From The Mountain Press a letter to the Editor...

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Terri's family, attorneys and numerous elected leaders (including President Bush) used heroic efforts to try to save her life. Terri's food and water were stopped by court order until she died. She was the first American ever ordered to die by a court without being convicted of a capital crime or even being a criminal.
The moral outrage of this act caused a righteous reaction by millions around the world and was completely ignored by a court that saw no value in Terri's life. Her death has been termed "the longest public execution in American history."
Christians are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to care for "the least of these" who can give nothing in return. Included among the "least" are the physically and mentally disabled, the elderly who can no longer care for themselves and those who cannot speak for themselves whether in the womb or in a nursing home at the end of life.
Terri Schiavo's legacy compels us to remember that God's word - the Bible - is clear about these issues. God is the giver of all life; He allows disabilities; and God is the sole being who should decide when life ends.
It is my prayer that God's people care as He does in caring for "the least of these," and pray earnestly and act energetically in the legal and political arena to stop society from playing "god" with other people's lives.
Robert E. Settle
Seymour

Never forget Terri Schiavo's death

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112 posted on 04/08/2008 3:10:49 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
The human disorder called liberalism illustrated...

You have to hand it to the Democrats. Anytime there’s a chance to talk about faith as it relates to the social justice issues (poverty, Darfur, AIDS, human rights) they are ready to go and willing to talk about how the Bible speaks to those issues. Good for them.

On the flip side, just wondering but where’s the talk about the life and marriage issues? Where’s the talk in these forums about embryonic stem cell research or Terri Schiavo and other very important issues to faith voters? I’ll tell you exactly where they are: remember the Value Voters debate in the fall of last year? That debate addressed those issues. Guess what? Only the most die-hard social conservatives showed up. (Alan Keyes, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, etc) No McCain, no Romney, definitely no Giuliani...........

Democrats Engage in Faith Talk, Make Inroads

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113 posted on 04/08/2008 3:15:20 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Living wills and stuff like that...

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Morenz and her mother had talked many times about end-of-life decisions after Morenz's father suffered a stroke in 2000 and moved to a nursing home in Connecticut.

"My mom would say, `I don't want this for myself.' She begged me never to put her in a nursing home. She wanted what she considered to be a good quality of life."

Morenz also helped her mother execute a living will that expressed those wishes. "You're not asking for euthanasia," Morenz said. "You're asking that nothing be done to try to keep you living in a condition that's unacceptable to you."

The value of discussing and documenting end-of-life wishes before a crisis became dramatically clear in 2005 through the case of Terri Schiavo, a Florida woman whose husband and parents disagreed over whether to withdraw her feeding tube.

Schiavo, who had suffered brain damage and was unable to speak or care for herself, did not have a living will, and the debate over treatment reached Congress, the president and the federal courts.

Fortunately for Morenz, both her mother, who died in February, and her father, who died in October, had living wills. She felt she understood what they wanted, and she had been legally designated to make health care decisions for them...........

Planning for a happier ending

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114 posted on 04/08/2008 3:20:08 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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These days, a campus must be like a blender, spinning tender brains into a puree of liberal mush. Note the bias in this article, by reading more than the excerpt...

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Along with the first robins, tulips and term papers, spring at U of T is marked by the arrival of anti-abortion activists. Around this time each year, U of T Students for Life and their off-campus allies break out a set of posters from the U.S. group Genocide Awareness Project and protest on campus.

~Snip~

Connell claimed repeatedly that women who choose abortion are psychologically damaged by the experience. With adoption, she argued, “There isn’t that terrible, terrible regret, for the rest of her life.”

She also covered issues from capital punishment to the Terri Schiavo case.

“Terri Schiavo could smile, could communicate, the media didn’t want you to know that because we live in a very anti-life society,” she said.

The mood at the counter-protest was upbeat, with cheers greeting a call of “20 years of reproductive choice in this country!” Chantal Sundaram, a CUPE 3902 staff rep, said the counter-protesters were well-received by passing students............

Students rally to abort ‘genocide’ demonstration

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115 posted on 04/08/2008 3:28:49 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Lesforlife
....as we keep watch and listen...


116 posted on 04/08/2008 3:35:40 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Even way back in the olden days, we found the primary use of the Register-Guard ideal for starting the kindling in the fireplace, if for nothing else. Back then, I heard Gus Hall (head of the Communist Party, USA) speak, but now the place has gone further to the left. Hillary just loves Oregon to death.

Thread by wagglebee.

EUGENE, Oregon, April 7, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton gave an interview with the editor of Eugene's Register-Guard paper, Jack Wilson, on April 6, in which she praised Oregon's assisted suicide laws.

Clinton, who spoke in Eugene on the same day as leading conservative bioethicist Wesley J. Smith, commended Oregon for providing the "right" to assisted suicide........

Hillary Clinton on Oregon's Assisted Suicide Law: "I Commend Oregon on this Count"

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117 posted on 04/08/2008 3:46:09 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl's niece needs our prayers.

Alamo-Girl: urgent prayer request for my niece, she needs a liver

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118 posted on 04/08/2008 3:51:36 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Thanks for posting this, 8mmMauser.


119 posted on 04/08/2008 3:57:58 AM PDT by syriacus (Wright's non-prophet chickenhood came home to roost in a million dollar mansion in a gated community)
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To: 8mmMauser
Christians are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to care for "the least of these" who can give nothing in return. Included among the "least" are the physically and mentally disabled, the elderly who can no longer care for themselves and those who cannot speak for themselves whether in the womb or in a nursing home at the end of life.

Terri Schiavo's legacy compels us to remember that God's word - the Bible - is clear about these issues. God is the giver of all life; He allows disabilities; and God is the sole being who should decide when life ends.

However, despite their numerous protestations to the contrary, adherents to the culture of death fall into one of two categories:

1. They are atheists and therefore do not care about God's Commandments.
or
2. They are truly satanic and believe in God, but work to destroy Him and his Word.

120 posted on 04/08/2008 4:42:51 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser
The mood at the counter-protest was upbeat, with cheers greeting a call of “20 years of reproductive choice in this country!”

Unless a woman is raped (and the incidence of pregnancy from rape is so low that really shouldn't be a factor in the abortion debate, but is routinely brought up by abortionists for emotional reasons), they already had the "choice" whether or not to reproduce.

By the time a person goes off to college they have generally spent far more time in school learning about sexuality than they have spent learning about our nation's history and Constitution. If they have not learned by the age of 18 that there is a 100% foolproof method to prevent pregnancy, than they are wasting their time and money in college and should pursue careers that are better suited to their intellectual abilities, perhaps they could remove animal feces from city parks.

121 posted on 04/08/2008 4:55:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser

Awesome research!!

Hope for the Future for those told they have no right to hope!


122 posted on 04/08/2008 7:41:46 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser

Awesome research!!

Hope for the Future for those told they have no right to hope!


123 posted on 04/08/2008 7:41:47 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser

Thank you so much for your prayer ping!


124 posted on 04/08/2008 9:24:53 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Bobby Schindler speaks...

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The decision to remove Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube is comparable in its inhumanity to the actions of the Nazis during World War II, Schiavo’s brother Bobby Schindler said before an audience of mostly students in Frist 302 last night.

Schiavo died in 2005 at age 41, two weeks after doctors, following orders from a federal judge, removed a feeding tube that had kept her alive for more than a decade.

Schiavo had previously suffered brain damage following an incident of cardiac arrest, which had deprived her brain of oxygen.

“There is no such thing as a person who is a non-person. There is no one so disabled that they have lost their value or dignity,” Schindler said, adding that classifying individuals as “non-persons” would be akin to “walk[ing] down the same path that led to the Nuremberg trials.”....................

Schindler: Schiavo was not in a vegetative state

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125 posted on 04/09/2008 3:34:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Whatever...

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I thought the conservative movement wanted less government influence in people's lives, yet over and over again they want government laws to tell you what to do. They do this by legislating morality.

From the federal Terri Schiavo's Law, to Rhonda Storm's intelligent design bill disguised as "academic freedom," to this abortion bill, conservatives want government control of your moral choice. It is getting to the point where I can't tell a conservative from a liberal. Both want all problems solved by government.

It is becoming difficult to vote for either party these days. Do I want the liberal government telling me what to do or the religious right "conservatives" making me live in the way they see fit?........

Another Move By Government To Legislate Morality

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126 posted on 04/09/2008 3:39:22 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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A different view of Terri's plight: It is described here as a large impact on the public as a civil case. Funny, I think of it as a criminal case. Maybe one day...

Despite the media's focus on the daily dramas of real litigants and their lawyers, the impact of judicial decisions may affect those who aren't even parties to a specific case. Though the criminal prosecutions of Michael Jackson and O.J. Simpson captured enormous public attention, the same could be said for civil cases involving Terry Schiavo, Elian Gonzales, Bush v. Gore, and Big Tobacco -- cases which were likely to have much more impact on the lives of everyday citizens than matters centering on the fate of Scott Peterson or the actor formerly known as Baretta............

Overview of Civil Cases

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127 posted on 04/09/2008 3:48:16 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Right on...

Thread by wagglebee

Bristol, RI (LifeNews.com) -- Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia continues to educate the law students of America and, once again, presented his explanation that no right to abortion exists in the Constitution to students at Roger Williams University. Last month, Scalia told students at the University of Central Missouri the same thing.

Scalia said a legal right to an abortion is not found in the document that guides our judicial process............

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Again Says Abortion Right Nonexistent

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128 posted on 04/09/2008 3:54:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Those who needed an excuse to snuff babies are losing an excuse.

London, England (LifeNews.com) -- While pro-life advocates have repeated the mantra for years that embryonic stem cell research hasn't helped a single patient while adult stem cells have already been used in humans afflicted with dozens of diseases, a leading scientist in England is beginning to admit defeat.

Lord Patel of Dunkeld, the chairman of the UK National Stem Cell Network and a chancellor at Dundee University, says embryonic stem cell research is simply not working.....

Scientists Admit Embryonic Stem Cell Research Hasn't Been Successful

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129 posted on 04/09/2008 3:57:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Aptly named my old home town is at the crucible of the moment in this clash between Wesley J. Smith and Hillary, i.e. Eugene eugenics and euthanasia.

Thread by wagglebee.

Salem, OR (LifeNews.com) -- Comments pro-abortion Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton made over the weekend have drawn significant attention from those opposed to euthanasia. Clinton gave a convoluted answer to a local Oregon newspaper's question on assisted suicide but appeared to support the grisly practice.

The Eugene Register Guard newspaper asked Clinton about her "attitude" towards the law....

Anti-Euthanasia Activist Says Hillary Clinton Clearly Supported Assisted Suicide

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130 posted on 04/09/2008 4:04:50 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; TenthAmendmentChampion; Salvation; wagglebee; narses
Please note this request for prayers by Salvation, for TenthAmendmentChampion.

With thanks to wagglebee and narses also for the pings...

Prayer request for healing from aggressive bone marrow cancer -- TenthAmendmentChampion

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131 posted on 04/09/2008 4:19:58 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
The decision to remove Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube is comparable in its inhumanity to the actions of the Nazis during World War II,

Actually, it was worse because the Nazis never made any pretense that they "loved" their victims or that they were just "following the wishes" of their victims.

132 posted on 04/09/2008 4:44:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser

This sounds like the rantings of a typical libertarian (and unfortunately FR still has a few of these disruptors). They seem to have a total inability to distinguish between “limited” government and “no” government and they are actually anarchists who prefer the latter. They don’t want anyone to tell them that they can’t smoke pot, watch porn, use prostitutes and kill those they no longer consider useful.


133 posted on 04/09/2008 5:29:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser

Terri’s warriors never for a moment quit fighting because we all
believed in our hearts America would do the right thing
and rescue her from her tormentors.

Something died in our nation’s psyche the day Terri
succumbed to her murderers.


134 posted on 04/09/2008 6:36:00 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser

However he has stated he would strike down a law that would
strike down abortion in all 50 states.


135 posted on 04/09/2008 7:03:43 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser
Did you post this yet? NAT HENTOFF ON TERRI'S LEGACY.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61048

Bobby Schindler mentioned the above article on the radio last Saturday.

136 posted on 04/09/2008 11:30:19 AM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: Lesforlife
Terri's fight is not even a monolithic group. There are children who are against euthanasia (which is illegal but practiced at the death cult's convenience with certain doctors and lawyers). Those children will grow up and teach their children to be pro-life and that's more than a religious principle. It's in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and The Constitution.

Disabled and elder rights are not religious rights. They are HUMAN RIGHTS.

Unfortunately, the felosers branded the fight for Terri as religious wackos which it wasn't but the silver tongued devil already had the deck stacked against Terri with cretin Judge Greer (whose property value as many on Island Estates as published in the newspaper is one-half it's former market value). So, he's suffering out there on his island with the other millionaires. Poor cretin. We all know Greer loves money, especially money tinged with innocent blood.

www.judgegeorgegreer.com

137 posted on 04/09/2008 11:47:32 AM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: Lesforlife
>>Something died in our nation’s psyche the day Terri succumbed to her murderers.

Something died but something was born. Many stopped that day, suffering the shock, and some continued with even stronger resolve. Testimony to that is just our continuation of Terri Threads. Soon after Terri's death, I was dismayed, not discouraged when so many left, and stayed away from our threads. I fully expected it all to dwindle in a month or two as people quit talking about it and the topic died. But it didn't!

Three years later, tons of repercussions later, it is still going strong, with the world of the left and right reminding us on a daily basis that Terri's Legacy soared. What little faith I had! I blush at the thought. Yes some Terri warriors left, some were only tired and will return, and many joined the battle with us afterwards.

And we persevere as we see those who live for death struggling to pursue their craft even in the face of God.

And Our Lord wins over their gods even as Msgr. Malanowsky reminded us that fateful Easter.

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

138 posted on 04/09/2008 4:50:15 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter

We covered Nat Hentoff’s words a few times upthread, although the wording changes slightly. It was in the Washington Times as well.


139 posted on 04/09/2008 4:52:47 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Thank you 8mm for your perseverance and daily reminders of
how precious and infinitely valuable life really is.

One can’t help but think of you and your dearly departed good friend
who would have a good word for us to carry on and never give up, in spite of what sometimes seems like insurmountable odds!


140 posted on 04/09/2008 10:30:34 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: Lesforlife

When T’wit left, he passed the baton to us. Every morning I post I cannot help but pass my thoughts through his filter with the desire that they approach his wisdom. He kept up that perseverance and urge to us all right up until his last moments. In that respect he is still with us in spirit.


141 posted on 04/10/2008 3:17:13 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Apropros to the Nat Hentoff words sprinkled upthread, comes a response. These words sprout from one who didn't quite "get it" and portend a dilemma we face a lot.

...........................

Nat Hentoff wrote a piece on Tuesday about the Schiavo Family Foundation. My father was in a vegetative state for three years following a stroke. I have had elderly relatives in nursing homes as they lingered close to death. I have told my relatives that I do not wish to endure either situation, nor do I wish to squander the nation's medical reserve, nor do I wish to wait to be "cruelly starved and dehydrated" to accomplish my ends. Because there is no "right to die" in California, this probably means that I will have to terminate my life myself before it is really necessary.

Carol Atwood

Santa Cruz

State needs 'right to die' laws

8mm


142 posted on 04/10/2008 3:30:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter
Meanwhile, the words of Nat Hentoff reach far and wide, repeated again here:

In 2001, the Schindler family — the parents, brother and sister of Terri Schiavo — formed the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation to try to save the life of their loved one who, as her brother, Bobby Schindler, said to me recently, “was deemed unworthy of life because she was cognitively disabled.” The judiciary and the press did not agree with that justified accusation that Terri was cruelly starved and dehydrated to death...........

Terri Schiavo’s lifesaving legacy

8mm

143 posted on 04/10/2008 3:34:48 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
nor do I wish to squander the nation's medical reserve,

Huh?

144 posted on 04/10/2008 4:38:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

You just can’t look for logic in this morass. It is all about emotion and symbols like torches and global warming and kum by yah. Somehow when I think of morass I think of Hillary.


145 posted on 04/10/2008 4:57:38 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Because there is no "right to die" in California, this probably means that I will have to terminate my life myself before it is really necessary.

Does she realize how utterly idiotic this sounds? NOBODY needs a "right" to die, it is going to happen to all of us no matter what.

146 posted on 04/10/2008 5:06:37 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

But she says it so softly... She doesn’t say she is going to off herself, or commit suicide or croak herself, but uses gentle words. It is all about feelings, not meanings. Word meanings are for others, like those who think.


147 posted on 04/10/2008 5:19:55 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
nor do I wish to wait to be "cruelly starved and dehydrated" to accomplish my ends.

And what is this crap? Three years ago we were told it was "euphoric," when did it become cruel? The leftist death cult should really take some lessons from Muhammad's death cult of even the Nazis, consistent propaganda is key to an evil agenda.

148 posted on 04/10/2008 5:34:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

That is where cognitive dissonance, hallmark of a liberal, comes into play. That is how they can weep over a baby seal meeting a bat, but chuckle at a scissors to the head of a baby about to be born. They can keep both thoughts side by side and not have a clue of the conflict. It is a gift from the dark side.


149 posted on 04/10/2008 5:42:09 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
That is how they can weep over a baby seal meeting a bat, but chuckle at a scissors to the head of a baby about to be born.

I just ordered a custom holster for my Kimber, it's going to elephant with alligator trim, I can't wait to wear it around some liberals!

150 posted on 04/10/2008 6:26:17 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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