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Terri Schiavo's Family Calls for Observance of Terri's Day to Honor Disabled Woman
Life News ^ | 3/31/08 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 03/31/2008 2:52:07 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
I know many former Republicans who registered as independents after Jeb strung us along for the big boys. Let us not forget that Gov. Charlie is still being talked about as VP choice. Remember when he was Fl AG, he refused to investigate Terri's civil rights issues. This wasn't about religion alone. Terri's civil rights were being seriously abused. Talk about discrimation! She was discriminated against and then murdered. IF MCCAIN PICKS CRIST, I'M STAYING HOME. Independents can do that you know. Right after Terri died, the GOP lost a big chunk of their base and it was because they stopped helping her, not because they ever tried to help her.

COMPARE the 2004 elections to the 2006 elections. The GOP won in 2004 while Terri was still being protected (although not in ideal conditions) but in 2006, after Terri died (and Katrina just proved their indifference to human life), the GOP LOST elections cuz they lost long time republicans. I tell them when they call to put anti-euthanasia on the platform and maybe I'll come back. I don't even think their telemarketers know what euthanasia is, let alone anti-euthanasia.

51 posted on 04/02/2008 7:07:48 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: tessalu

J. Greer an evil, crook. www.judgegeorgegreer.com


52 posted on 04/02/2008 7:08:25 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Just imagine that the French woman overdosed at least a week ago and she's still in the news. It appears many folks are re-evaluating their views on the value of life each and every time this happens. Since Terri like Fr. Pavone pointed out at Terri's Mass, many people commit the rest of their lives to being pro-life.

Many of these folks were not pro-life before and didn't give the death cult much thought if it didn't affect them. It affects everyone and why fight radical jihad's culture of death if we have our own right here???

53 posted on 04/02/2008 7:19:07 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee
2003 Terri given some rights like living.

2004: GOP candidates get re-elected.

2005: Terri was murdered. She had no rights except the right to privacy (so she could be hidden).

2006: GOP started losing ground. 1. Terri & Katrina 2. illegal immigration 3. WOT which to be honest is a drain on the 4. economy but this is what UBL is really trying to bring down!

This is a chronology based upon a nation's frustrations. Now we have 3 POTUS candidates who believe Terri was not worth the time of day. McCain wants my money? I don't think so.

I do support the military in the WOT. We need to git ur dun.

54 posted on 04/02/2008 7:35:01 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Food for thought. The thought of anything involving the judiciary grinds roughly into my heart as does forced care. I do remember...

Many years ago, also in Oregon, my grandmother broke her hip. Coming home, a teenager, I found her unable to get up and helped get her to bed. But she refused any medical help because of her faith in Christian Science. Nothing would get through to her except her powerful belief in the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy. Something treatable went untreated, and after a month, the house overpowering with the scent of gangrene, she died a very unpleasant death. Even at the end, she cried out for practitioners to come to her aid, but they avoided her and us like the plague.

The faith she clung to was nowhere to be seen, yet we never considered forcing her to accept medical attention. It was simply outside what we could imagine to be the role of the government. This story refreshes my memory.

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Who wins in a battle between parental rights and the criminal justice system? The child, at least in cases where solid science is used to prove that routine medical treatment was withheld from a child by the parents.

Unfortunately for Ava Worthington, none of this matters. It’s too late. The 15-month-old Oregon City, Ore., girl died at home on March 2 of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection. According to The Associated Press, doctors say the pneumonia and the infection could have been prevented or treated with antibiotics. Her parents, Carl and Raylene Worthington, are accused of using prayer instead of medical care to try to cure Ava. Both pleaded not guilty on Monday in

Clackamas County to charges of manslaughter and criminal mistreatment.

We would not pretend to have the slightest understanding of what this couple is feeling after the death of their daughter. But we know that providing routine medical care to a child is just as basic a parental responsibility as providing routine nutrition. Withholding either is abuse, and although the legal outcome of this case remains to be determined, it appears appropriate for officials to file charges against the couple.

Oregon lawmakers cracked down on faith-healing deaths nine years ago, and this is the first such case since then. But it’s not the first time the Worthingtons’ church, Oregon City’s Followers of Christ Church, has been linked to deaths of children. According to a 1998 AP story, an investigation by The Oregonian revealed that of 78 children buried in the church’s cemetery since 1955, at least 21 could have been saved with medical care.

In Washington state, officials at the state attorney general’s office and the Department of Social and Health Services say no child death in recent years has been linked to faith-healing practices.

It’s important to view this case independently. Linking it to other end-of-life cases such as the Terri Schiavo case or other beginning-of-life issues such as Roe v. Wade is a fool’s errand. The question is singular and simple: Did Ava die because her parents withheld routine medical care? Taking that question into a courtroom in search of a legal answer is not only proper, it’s the fulfillment of Oregon’s obligation to Ava.

In our view: Decide in Court

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55 posted on 04/03/2008 3:18:08 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
His views are noble. I only wish they were based on a more firm ground of fact regarding the fate of Terri.

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On the anniversary of an ugly four-year legal battle over whether to remove the feeding tube and end the life of brain-damaged Terri Schiavo, a Dixon attorney is encouraging people to think about the unthinkable: What if such an injury happened to you?

Throughout April, Robert Thompson will draw up a power of attorney document, often called a living will, in exchange for a $15 donation that he will give to KSB Hospice and Hospice of the Rock River Valley.

~Snip~


"Hospice has served my family well, and in the coming weeks will be comforting one of my dear friends as he is taken by an aggressive form of cancer," Thompson said.

For Thompson, the decision to raise awareness of the need for living wills started as he watched the Schiavo family bicker on national television over whether to remove a feeding tube from the unresponsive Florida woman.

"People were kind of in a panic over that. They never want to do that to their family," Thompson said.

Schiavo was 26 when she collapsed in her home and sustained severe brain damage from oxygen deprivation, which left her in a vegetative state for the next 15 years Ñ something for the young folks to keep in mind.

"It's very important for everyone to have a living will. It's not a pretty subject, but young people tend to die in more traumatic incidents, like car crashes, and the need for care can be sudden and difficult," Thompson said.

Attorney to trade wills for donations

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56 posted on 04/03/2008 3:26:34 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That brings tears to my eyes. Of course, I know and love the heart of the one who penned them.


57 posted on 04/03/2008 4:18:14 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben, reports to Parris Island on June 30.)
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To: floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; Lesforlife; bjs1779
Just imagine that the French woman overdosed at least a week ago and she's still in the news.

The saddest part of that story is that it's now certain that she was nothing more than a pawn for the culture of death and that her cancer was very treatable.

Many of these folks were not pro-life before and didn't give the death cult much thought if it didn't affect them. It affects everyone and why fight radical jihad's culture of death if we have our own right here???

The non-conservatives around here will NEVER understand that.

I remember last year when we were dealing with all of the Rooty Rooters and none of them seemed at all concerned by his pro-abortion views. It did not seem to matter to them that more Americans die in abortuaries EVERY SINGLE day than died on 9/11/01, more Americans die in abortuaries every two days than have died in the war on terror (including the deaths of 9/11/01).

I saw a billboard yesterday that said the one child is diagnosed with autism every twenty minutes in America. I know some people with autistic children and as heartbreaking as it is, autism is treatable. I wonder what peoples reaction would be if they saw a billboard that pointed out that one American child is murdered in an abortuary EVERY 24 SECONDS.

58 posted on 04/03/2008 6:15:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
JOHN MCCAIN IS A JERK. When asked about VP choice, he said it was "in the embryonic stages." As you know, McCain for embryonic stem cell research.

Not only doesn't he know about the economy, he has no sensitivities or understanding that an embryo is already a life. Moronski!

59 posted on 04/03/2008 8:13:21 AM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee

We need a graphic artist to create the art work for billboards and
use on blogs and web sites that:

” more Americans die in abortuaries EVERY SINGLE day than died on 9/11/01, more Americans die in abortuaries every two days than have died in the war on terror (including the deaths of 9/11/01).”

This message needs to permeate the American consciousness and
remaining conscience.


60 posted on 04/03/2008 8:39:40 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: Lesforlife

As many Americans will die in abortuaries THIS YEAR than have died fighting in ALL the wars America has fought COMBINED.


61 posted on 04/03/2008 8:44:52 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; Lesforlife

Yeah, McLame thinks that he and Crist can protect America. Crist wouldn’t even protect one woman in a hospital bed. And these RINOs think that they can secure the borders because they said they will.


62 posted on 04/03/2008 8:46:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
This is a strange case with strange connections. The family is represented by the team that defended Dr. Death.

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The condition of a 4-year-old Pace boy is the direct result of his brain disorder, not a case of felony neglect, say supporters of the boy’s mother.

“I can’t believe Florida courts would decide to allow Terry Schiavo to be starved and on the other hand, to prosecute a mother because her child has normal symptoms of the end-stage of a terminal disease,” Dianne Fitzgerald, founder of the National Lissencephaly Network, said Thursday.

Erin Brittany Markes, the boy’s 19-year-old mother, was jailed on $100,000 bond Friday on allegations that she withheld medical treatment from her son. Santa Rosa County Circuit Judge Ron Swanson ordered her release on Wednesday. She left under electronic monitoring that restricts her travel to within Santa Rosa and Escambia counties.

Markes’ son reportedly suffers from Miller-Dieker syndrome, a form of the rare genetic brain disorder lissencephaly, characterized by a smoothing of folds in the brain.

Authorities say the boy weighed only 10 pounds when he was hospitalized and had not received his seizure medication. His body temperature was 91.1 degrees and he suffered from bedsores.

Fitzgerald’s organization has referred Markes to Bill McHenry, an attorney at the Michigan-based law firm of Fieger, Fieger, Kenney, Johnson & Giroux P.C. The charity also is considering forming a legal defense fund for Markes.

The firm’s Geoffrey Fieger is the attorney who represented Dr. Jack Kevorkian in his doctor-assisted suicide trial.......................

Group: Brain disorder caused boyÂ’s condition

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63 posted on 04/04/2008 2:59:23 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Perspective from an unusual source, followed by unusual comments...

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Every time there's another landmark on the way to gay marriage, several people send me links and jubilant emails about it. They expect me to jump up and down and cheer about it, but I can barely register even polite interest.

It isn't that I don't want to be able to legally formalize a commitment to the woman of my choice. I want that more than anything else, as a matter of fact. But I've been paying enough attention to know that even if I were a man, I wouldn't have that option anymore.

~Snip~

Even as the traditional expectations that used to go with marriage are dissolving, brand new ones are being invented. Nowadays, if your spouse is admitted to the hospital with brain damage caused by highly suspicious injuries, you can deny her medical care for years and then have her slowly starved to death. The alleged domineering patriarch of the 1950's did not imagine he had any right to do such a thing, and yet Democrats are attempting to pretend that being married doesn't mean fidelity, doesn't mean commitment, but does mean the right to inflict a slow and agonizing death. Andrew Sullivan actually complained that because he is gay, courts probably wouldn't recognize his "right" to have his partner starved to death. Isn't that terribly unfair?

Personally, for me the murder of Terri Schiavo was the end of my enthusiasm for gay marriage.

Brunette Republican Sex Kitten... Gay Marriage? What For?

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64 posted on 04/04/2008 3:11:52 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Truth about B.O., something not easy to hide...

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For a little over a year, Barack Obama has taken his message of hope to countless gymnasiums and scores of town halls across the country. And in doing so, Mr. Obama carefully constructed a politically-moderate image he hopes to ride to the front steps of the White House.

But a recent gaffe in which Mr. Obama described an unborn child as a "punishment," thus leaving open the suggestion he would condone the abortion of his unborn grandchild, has caused concerns there this moderate man is a liberal lawmaker.

Despite a relatively short career as an elected official, Mr. Obama was first elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996, the presidential hopeful has built a political record that culminated with the National Journal rating him the most liberal U.S. senator in 2007. Mr. Obama, however, has focused his presidential campaign on the broader message of restoring trust in politics, thus permitting his liberal record on issues, such as abortion, to fly under the radar.

This, however, changed during a Lancaster town hall meeting this week where Mr. Obama discussed sex education.

"Look, I've got two daughters... nine years old and six years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby," Mr. Obama stated. "I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16."

By describing an unborn child as a punishment, placing the child in the same category as an STD, Mr. Obama unleashed a tidal wave of pro-life anger and redirected attention to the Illinois senator's position on abortion.

"Our society would take a dangerous step backward from the Judeo-Christian belief that we are all created equal if we were to treat one class of humans - those born to teenagers - as a curse," argued Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America.

Even more disturbing to Kathy Coll, president of the Pro-Life Coalition, is the fact Mr. Obama uttered such words after spending his campaign claiming to be a man of faith.

"What kind of faith prevents you from seeing an unborn child as a gift?" asked Mrs. Coll.

While in the U.S. Senate Mr. Obama voted against prohibitions on carrying a minor across state lines for an abortion and recently expressed regret over a vote to save the life of Terri Schiavo, a disabled Florida woman. Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, also pointed out Mr. Obama opposed healthcare for children born of botched abortions in while in the Illinois Senate.

?"In 2003... he led the fight to oppose a bill that would have mandated health care for a baby who survived an abortion," Mr. Donohue stated.

The gaffe could be significant to Mr. Obama because a number of Pennsylvania Democrats voting in the April 22 primary are Casey Democrats, those named after the state's late Gov. Robert Casey. The Casey Democrat is traditionally a blue collar Democrat, most likely Catholic, supportive of the right to life.

To conservatives, however, Mr. Obama's comments are a glimpse at Mr. Obama's true political colors.

"I maintain to you that when he goes off the prompter, this is exactly the way he looks at it: Punished with a baby. He's no different than half the other liberals out there," stated conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh on his radio program. "All during the abortion debate, pregnancy was a disease... It certainly wasn't about the glory of life."

Obama Speaks On Morals, Values And Daughters

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65 posted on 04/04/2008 3:19:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Red Badger; TheSarce; bjs1779; BykrBayb; wagglebee
A downside of the used parts industry, when "oops" doesn't quite do it...

Thread by Red Badger with thanks to TheSarce for the ping...

Alex's liver went to a 52-year-old man. His pancreas to a 36-year-old woman. His kidneys went to two different men, one 46 and the other 64.

A month later, an autopsy revealed that Alex never had meningitis. He had a rare and fast-moving lymphoma cancer -- one that was now working its way through the bodies of four other people........

Teen Organ Donor's Gift Turns Tragic

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66 posted on 04/04/2008 3:39:31 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
If i didn't know better I would think they had some sort of agenda...

Maybe I don't know better.

Thread by wagglebee.

NEW YORK, April 3, 2008 (c-fam.org)- A two-year old report has come to light that encourages foundations to fund religious organizations who agree to push the abortion agenda around the world. The report which was funded by the wealthy MacArthur and Ford Foundations, catalogues hundreds of religiously affiliated non-government organizations that are likely to include “sexual and reproductive health and rights” as part of their work.

“Religion and Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights: An Inventory of Organization, Scholars and Foundations,” issued by the Center for Health and Social Policy, argues that the world’s religions play an undeniable role in shaping attitudes toward "reproduction and sexuality" and can “be an important ally in the effort to advance sexual and reproductive health and rights (or, conversely, a key obstacle).”........

Wealthy Foundations Encouraged to Recruit and Fund Religious Groups to Push Abortion

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67 posted on 04/04/2008 3:45:42 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Andrew Sullivan actually complained that because he is gay, courts probably wouldn't recognize his "right" to have his partner starved to death.

Andy, if you want a new homosexual lover, just go to a gay bar and get one, you don't need to murder your old one.

And for the record, homosexuals have the EXACT SAME rights to marry that everyone else does.

68 posted on 04/04/2008 4:37:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser

Especially when the Denver Post and Children’s Hospital were
complicit in the starvation death of little Dylan Walborn.

This little boy’s seizure disorder was becoming more active
and his parents didn’t want him to “suffer” any longer.

The Post chronicled the lengthy starvation death with a feature
story which might still be available on line.


69 posted on 04/04/2008 5:47:01 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: Lesforlife; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; floriduh voter

Here’s more on Dylan Walborn, it is frightening the lengths these monsters went to in his murder:

http://www.dylanwalborn.com/
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_3319527
http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2006/11/dylan_walbornri.php
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3798/is_200607/ai_n17179102


70 posted on 04/04/2008 6:02:32 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
NBC "MY NAME IS EARL". Earl was in a coma last night and the doctors were taking dibs on body parts. In another scene, they were all waiting outside Earl's hospital room each w/an igloo cooler. Earl's friend told them to go away. Organ harvesting is an aggressive practice and even the companies involve admit they are being aggressive as waiting lists grow.

So what? It's not a supply and demand business. Let people recover before you jump to conclusions!!!!!! Shame on organ harvesters. We'll never know how many patients could have made it had they not been "chosen" like a sacrifice.

71 posted on 04/04/2008 11:21:09 AM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks!!

Will pass some of these to Bobby & Suzanne.

May have some use for the new radio show to awaken
America as to how pernicious and pervasive this
death agenda is.

Coming to a town near you!


72 posted on 04/04/2008 11:51:32 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser

Didn’t Gov Casey’s son - Senator Casey - endorse BO
last week?

Odd the article overlooks how that might actually
confuse the issue and skew the vote.


73 posted on 04/04/2008 1:21:32 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: floriduh voter

I watched “My Name is Earl” ONCE for about ten minutes before turning it off.


74 posted on 04/04/2008 6:56:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All

From my e-mail:

“Liberal Columnist Nat Henthoff Blasts Barack Obama on Terri Schiavo Flip-Flop

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — Barack Obama made headlines last month for flip-flopping on whether or not the federal government should have helped Terri Schiavo’s family to save her life. Now, Obama is coming under fire from liberal columnist Nat Henthoff for saying he should have opposed the bill allowing the Schindler family to help their beloved daughter.

In March 2005, just weeks before Terri died from a painful 13-day starvation and dehydration death, Congress approved legislation allowing her family to take its case from state courts to federal courts in an effort to stop the euthanasia from proceeding. “It wasn’t something I was comfortable with, but it was not something that I stood on the floor and stopped,” Obama said. “And I think that was a mistake.”

Henthoff takes Senator Obama to task for the flip-flop in a column published in the magazine Forward. He called Obama’s decision to flip-flop an “irresponsible robot-like judgment “ not based on the facts of the situation Congress considered.

“He should be proud of the Senate vote he now recants—and learn a lot more about the disabled,” Henthoff wrote. “The reason Congress asked the federal courts to review the Schiavo case was that the 41-year-old woman about to be dehydrated and starved to death was breathing normally on her own, was not terminal, and there was medical evidence that she was responsive, not in a persistent vegetative state,” Henthoff explained. Full story at LifeNews.com.”


75 posted on 04/04/2008 7:38:54 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

Last night I was listening to the radio about a man who reacted just as doctors were ready to take his organs. The man is now doing well.

I didn’t get the full story, because the reception on the radio was poor, but it seems I’m hearing a lot of stories like this in a short period of time.

PLEASE be an advocate for your loved ones and friends, and don’t just leave it up to the health care professionals.


76 posted on 04/04/2008 10:22:36 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Terri against the Hussain asylum, a redux from Nat Hentoff. He said it before, is saying it again.

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I recommend to Obama — if he wants to make amends — that he consult the disability-rights experts at Not Dead Yet for the facts of the Terri Schiavo case and its acute relevance to many Americans in similar situations.

Not Dead Yet is about 12 miles from Chicago at 7521 Madison St., Forest Park, Ill.

If this presidential contender and former law professor had bothered to do his own research, he would have discovered — as I did in four years of covering this story and interviewing participants, including neurologists, on both sides, that:

The husband of the brain-damaged Terri Schiavo, Michael Schiavo, had stopped testing and rehabilitation for her in 1993, 12 years before her death. Moreover, for years he had been living with another woman, with whom he had two children, and whom he has since married. Michael Schiavo has continually insisted that he finally succeeded in having Terri’s feeding tube removed because he was respecting Terri’s wishes — which she could no longer communicate — that she did not want to be kept alive by artificial means.

But at a January 2000 trial — as reported by Notre Dame law school professor O. Carter Snead in “Constitutional Quarterly” (published by the University of Minnesota Law School) in its winter 2005 issue:

Five witnesses testified on whether Terri would have refused artificial nutrition, including water, in the condition she was in. Her mother and a close friend of Terri testified she had said clearly she would want these essential life needs. The other three witnesses said Terri would have approved the removal of her feeding tube.

These last three were in alliance on what became a death penalty: Michael Schiavo, his brother and his sister-in-law!

It was on the basis of that 3-to-2 vote that Florida state judge George Greer ruled that “clear and convincing evidence” allowed him to remove her from life — and then 19 judges in six courts, including federal courts — agreed. Like the press, those judges did no independent investigations of their own. And those careless judges are now joined by the equally irresponsible robot-like judgment of Sen. Barack Obama. He should be proud of the Senate vote he now recants — and learn a lot more about the disabled...........

Sweet Land of Liberty: Barack Obama vs. Terri Schiavo

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77 posted on 04/05/2008 3:28:57 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Ah to be young again like this high school student, to see all the answers through a self-armored shell, through a foundation built on wobbly base, the only one offered by the media and schools...

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In either case, the feeling that surrounds "a village" is that of love: the village's love for the child. It may be tough love; it may be love that is suckled from a mothering entity's teat.

What I question is not the fierce, almost animalistic protective feelings that any village of people may develop for one child.

I know that a group of humans will and often does protest any injustice that may strike one individual; for example, examine the case of Terry Schiavo, the comatose woman whose right to unending physical life support was debated to the point that supporters of each side still chased one another in philosophical circles long after the question was resolved.

When compared to the relative apathy for many plights that cause the masses to suffer, the support garnered for Schiavo is nothing short of super-human.................

Teen Talk: Teenhood Today: Humans can't take suffering of masses

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78 posted on 04/05/2008 3:39:22 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Working in Union, a debate on bioethics...

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Citing "moral panics" such as the public debate over physician-assisted death, Northwestern University Professor Tod Chambers challenged scholars and students to reconsider conventional boundaries of bioethics.  

Chambers' speech sparked a robust dialogue with audience members Friday at the opening event of the 11th annual National Undergraduate Bioethics Conference, a two-day event focused on the “The Human Use of Human Beings in Medicine and Science."

The speech, titled "Witches, Punks and Bioethicists," dealt with moral panics such as the Terri Schiavo case, which Chambers described as a tool to “denounce and reaffirm” societal values.

“The nature of bioethics is taking issues that are causing social disease and putting them into categories,” Chambers said. “I don’t think the boundaries bioethicists have put forward are all that challenging.”

Chambers is president of the American Society for Bioethics and Humanties (ASBH), which helps organize the conference each year, and author of “Narrative Bioethics and Prozac as a Way of Life.” He described bioethics as a “concept that is still being defined” and pushed students and scholars at the conference to rethink conventional ethical boundaries surrounding issues like euthanasia, gene therapy and gender reassignment surgery.............

Bioethics the topic of national conference under way at Union

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79 posted on 04/05/2008 3:46:47 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Rational thought from Rome...

Thread by wagglebee.

ROME, March 5, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Some Catholic Bishops in North America seem to be on a different page from the Vatican when it comes to reception of Communion for Catholic politicians who support abortion. Since the controversy came to a head in the 2004 US federal election, most Catholic bishops in the US have either remained silent on the issue, or have made softer statements than the authoritative word from Rome: a word that has been re-affirmed many times and continues to be reasserted regularly.

Most recently, Francis Cardinal Arinze, speaking at a Catholic family conference in Ohio last November, referred to a letter on the subject sent by then-Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, who said that such politicians "must" be "refused" Communion.

~Snip~

"Get the children for first Communion and say to them, 'Somebody votes for the killing of unborn babies, and says, I voted for that, I will vote for that every time.' And these babies are killed not one or two, but in millions, and that person says, 'I'm a practising Catholic', should that person receive Communion next Sunday? The children will answer that at the drop of a hat. You don't need a cardinal to answer that."

For Rome it is Very Clear - Pro-Abortion Politicians 'Must' be Denied Communion

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80 posted on 04/05/2008 3:59:51 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
She keeps up the fight. Thread by wagglebee.

Memphis, TN (LifeNews.com) -- As Americans honor the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on the fortieth anniversary of his assassination, his niece says abortion has become the civil rights cause of today. Dr. Alveda King , who has suffered from multiple abortions, says the destruction of human life is on par with the lack of civil rights of her uncle's generation.

In a speech at a church in downtown Memphis, King noted how her uncle was killed on this day in 1968.

But a short five years later the Supreme Court opened the floodgates to unlimited abortions in the Roe v. Wade decision -- one that King says has decimated the nation and the black community in particular.....

Martin Luther King Jr.'s Niece Says Abortion is the New Civil Rights Cause

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81 posted on 04/05/2008 4:05:25 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
PP Perps are knocking 'em dead...

Thread by wagglebee.

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A further examination of the new annual report Planned Parenthood recently released finds the abortion business is still the largest in the United States. As in previous years, the number of abortions it does has gone up and roughly 25 percent of all abortions in the United States are done at Planned Parenthood centers.

The report shows that Planned Parenthood did 289,750 abortions, an increase over the 264,943 abortions it did during the 2005-2006 fiscal year....

Planned Parenthood Report: More Abortions, Fewer Adoptions and Prenatal Care

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82 posted on 04/05/2008 4:11:20 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

If I’m not mistaken, most of those 19 “judges” were appointed
by republicans.

Don’t buy the lie that we have to vote for McCain so he can
appoint good judges.


83 posted on 04/05/2008 6:24:22 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Union again and the bioethics topic...

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SCHENECTADY -- The biggest moral and ethical questions of tomorrow may be answered someday by the students visiting Union College this weekend.

More than 150 bioethics students have gathered at the college for the National Undergraduate Bioethics Conference. It's the first time the conference has been held at a liberal arts school rather than a large university.

"It's a growing field," said Tod Chambers, president of the American Society for Bioethics and Humanities and a speaker at the conference.

About a dozen bioethics master's programs have been launched across the nation, including one at Union College, which partnered with Mount Sinai School of Medicine, and another at Albany Medical College's Alden March Bioethics Institute.

Chambers called bioethics the "advice industry." Many hospitals have a staff bioethicist to navigate thorny issues such as end-of-life decisions, organ transplants and decision-making by next of kin.

~Snip~

Baker noted the general public enjoys a good bioethics debate as well. News stories about human cloning, genetically engineered food and end-of-life cases like Terri Schiavo capture everyone's attention. "This society is fascinated by these subjects," Baker said. Cathleen F. Crowley can be reached at 454-5348 or by e-mail at ccrowley@timesunion.com.

Bioethics put in focus at Union College conference

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84 posted on 04/06/2008 3:10:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Lesforlife
What is happening? What has happened? Am I missing something? Seeing nothing in the news, I go to her website, Life for Lauren updates
and find no updates!

Have all the good people gone limp in our arms? Has something happened that is not reported? I for one am greatly disturbed about the lack of news we receive on the status of Lauren Richardson at the mercy of those who would kill her. Each day we check, and each day is blank, as if the media happily turned a blind eye so their allies on the death circuit can work their craft in peace. Somebody please show me I am wrong. I would be glad to be wrong.

There is no news, I might suppose, because a sort-of cease fire exists, the frail hopes of her supporters that maybe the law and justice will sometimes be on their side if all is quiet. We need look no further than the Israel-Palestine conflict to realize cease fire is the opportunity of the adversary to work quietly in the background undisturbed, while those hoping for the best sit by to be outflanked. It is a normal tendency for people of good will to ascribe the same emotions of decency to an adversary that has none. The adversary snickers at this foolish notion and carries on. We see it in the Middle East on large scale and we see it on an individual basis whenever we confront those who would have us killed.

Silence on Lauren's status works only to the advantage of those who would kill her and just doesn't work for people of good will. Evil minds don't think the same. They respond to force only, and must be driven from their prey. Anything less they treat with contempt as weakness.

I do hope our people of good will who would rescue Lauren will shout out the injustice and drive the jackals from their prey. That is an easy one to picture, approaching a pack of jackals about to feast on a wounded young antelope, and "hoping" they will respond with the same compassion we have, and just go away.

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85 posted on 04/06/2008 3:50:50 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
A deeper look into eugenics in a thread by wagglebee...

Kevles began the lecture by reflecting on the massive leaps scientists have made in the name of biology and genetic research. Given the success of the human genome project, where scientists map each gene in the human DNA strand, and the booming biotech industry, he predicted that eugenics could re-emerge as a possibility, and commenced a review of how eugenics emerged in American society in the early 1900s, and the human rights violations that came with it.

"Eugenics was not unique to the Nazis," he said. "It could and did happen virtually everywhere."

The surprising thing about the movement, according to Kevles, was how strongly it was picked up by the scientific community of the time. It was supported by many prominent doctors, psychologists and biologists of the period, many of whom found a home in Connecticut......

Yale Professor Explores History Of Eugenics

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86 posted on 04/06/2008 3:58:04 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Diago; Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek; narses
An application of cognitive dissonance...

I am appalled at how the liberal left, especially liberal blacks can entertain the notion of PP being their friends. What would the Obama Nation say? Thread by Diago. Thanks, Diago, Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek, narses, for the ping.

Los Angeles, CA (LifeNews.com) -- A second report from a student-run magazine at UCLA finds more Planned Parenthood abortion businesses accepting overtly racist donations. After the first report showed a Planned Parenthood in Idaho accepting money from someone who wanted to reduce the number of black babies, centers in Oklahoma and New Mexico followed suit......

More Planned Parenthood Abortion Businesses Accept Overtly Racist Donations

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87 posted on 04/06/2008 4:13:01 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Coleus
Thread by Coleus...

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American Life League's National Pro-Life T-shirt Day is Tuesday, April 29 — a day for pro-lifers all across the country to support of the sanctity of human beings' lives by wearing pro-life shirts. Join thousands nationwide by showing everyone that we are the majority — that we are a strong and determined voice for the babies............
 

American Life League's, National Pro-Life T-shirt Day is Tuesday, April 29, 2008

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88 posted on 04/06/2008 4:17:53 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Silence on Lauren's status works only to the advantage of those who would kill her and just doesn't work for people of good will.

This is getting scarier by the day.

89 posted on 04/06/2008 11:03:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Lauren Richardson update...

May the good guys pray, yes, and may they also fortify with the armor in their faith and resolve granted by Our Lord and drive the jackals away, defend this child of God from the evil which would destroy her. May we all pray today for that.

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email...

Hi Leslie, We have been preparing for a mediation that is taking place tomorrow, April 7th, between Lauren's parents. I think we need prayer in power all day tomorrow.

Thank you
Melissa Richardson


90 posted on 04/07/2008 3:15:17 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
I regret we may only excerpt this work by Nat Hentoff as reported in the Washington Times...

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While there was still a chance to save the life of the cognitively disabled Terri Schiavo — who was not terminal and was responding — her family started the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation to try to keep her alive. But the courts, aided by the careless media, sentenced her to death. Denied water and food, Terri was officially executed And most of the press continues to report that this was a just decision.

~Snip~

As funds are raised to implement these programs in a society also facing increased rationing of health care, with more lives that will be considered too "costly" to continue, Bobby Schindler is an energetic presence on college campuses around this nation, while lecturing abroad to expose the practitioners of "the culture of death." On one of his journeys, he spoke at Castle Hartheim, a center of killing unworthy lives in Linz, Austria during the Nazis' T4 euthanasia program. It is now a memorial site to remind visitors of such ongoing crimes against humanity.

Securing the right to live

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"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

91 posted on 04/07/2008 3:24:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; bjs1779; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; wagglebee; Sun; TheSarce; amdgmary
Recent threads on this French woman revealed many even here on FreeRepublic so horrified at how she "looked", in knee-jerk response they expressed outrage at how we could dare to deny that woman her "right-to-die". Now as Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story...

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Paris, France (LifeNews.com) -- The French woman Chantal Sebire who is at the heart of an international debate over euthanasia, refused medical treatment for her condition. Sebire wanted help to take her own life because she had a rare sinus tumor that was ravaging her face and she unsuccessfully pressed for France to allow the practice.

However, a new report in Time magazine finds the woman refused medical help for her condition for almost five years.

According to the American news magazine, Sebire's refusal to obtain medical treatment allowed the tumor to evolve into a terminal phase that ultimately prompted her to pursue an assisted suicide.

"From the moment she refused surgical treatment, growth of the tumors to their ultimate terminal phase was a given," Jean-Louis B'al of the University Hospital Center in Dijon told the magazine.

He said he repeatedly advised Sebire to undergo treatment and said three hospitals offered her a surgery.

"For years she refused the medical community's help to master her disease, and later to limit its evolution and pain," B'al noted. "Then, towards the end, she demanded the medical community help her die using the same sort of medicine she'd rejected as treatment."

Doctors indicated the extremely rare esthesioneuroblastoma disease the French woman suffered from could have been controlled by removing it surgically after the initial detection.

Afterwards, she could have gone on to lead a relatively normal life -- but Time says Sebire refused an operation and subsequently turned down any palliative care or medications to help her combat pain.

Although her case prompted a debate in France about whether to legalize the grisly practice, her situation is significantly different than that of Terri Schiavo, the disabled woman whose husband won the right from a court to take her life by subjecting her to a painful starvation and dehydration death.

In Terri's case, her family desperately desired to provide her with both appropriate medical care and rehabilitative treatment.

Last month, after learning that she would not be allowed an assisted suicide, Sebire died of a self-induced overdose of narcotic drugs in what appeared to be a suicide.

French Woman at Center of Euthanasia Case Refused Treatment for Five Years

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92 posted on 04/07/2008 3:35:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Foundation website...

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This week, Bobby Schindler will address students at Villanova University, the Not yet availablePhiladelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, Princeton University and the University of Notre Dame.
Not yet available

Since Terri’s deliberate and horrific death on March 31, 2005, Bobby and other members of the Schindler family have been invited to speak in nearly 150 cities across the United States and internationally, as well. Not yet availableThe Schindlers have dedicated their lives to helping family’s, educating the public and raising awarenessNot yet available not only about the misinformation that continues regarding Terri’s situation, but also about the ongoing threat of euthanasia against the tens of thousands of others with disabilities similar to Terri's.

If you would like to attend any of these events, or have any questions, please contact Terri’s Foundation or go to www.terrisfight.org.

Terri Schiavo's Brother to Speak at Three Top Universities, Medical School

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93 posted on 04/07/2008 3:40:32 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
The light of truth penetrates some darkness. Thread by wagglebee.

As his mother talks, the little boy chews on her speech and wows the crowd with his bright eyes. He is 8 months old now.

“This is a baby who would not be here if not for the Pregnancy Center,” says Chris Ward, a counselor.

Indeed, his mother tells the audience of 300 at a banquet to celebrate the Parkland Pregnancy Resource Center that she had scheduled an abortion for the very day she went to the Farmington facility.

“I was an alcoholic and taking drugs and I did not believe in abortion, but I did not know I had other options,” she said. “At the center, I saw my baby on an ultrasound and he became real to me.” ....

Moms, dads and babies say thanks (Pro-Life Pregnancy Center)

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94 posted on 04/07/2008 3:51:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; TitansAFC; narses
Reminds me of Roberta Flack's "Killing me softly..."

Thread on Rice by TitansAFC with thanks to narses.

WASHINGTON, March 14, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in a candid interview with The Washington Times Friday expressed her position on abortion as “mildly pro-choice.”

Asked, “Are you pro-life? Are you pro-choice? What is your thought on abortion?”, Rice responded: “I believe if you go back to 2000, when I helped the president in the campaign, I said that I was, in effect, kind of Libertarian on this issue, and meaning by that that I have been concerned about a government role in this issue. I'm a strong proponent of parental choice, of parental notification. I'm a strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion. These are all things that I think unite people and I think that that's where we should be. I've called myself at times mildly pro-choice...

Abortion Position of Condoleezza Rice – US Secretary of State (Pro-Choice)

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95 posted on 04/07/2008 4:11:35 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

There is some more on that from this thread last week:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1995114/posts

One of the deathbots was still trying to get people to put emotion ahead of facts.


96 posted on 04/07/2008 4:52:08 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It has been helping me understand how such liberals think by contemplating how they approach fantasy and reality. We have seen ads on TV, for instance, the one with the guy not having his usual dreams about Abe Lincoln and a beaver. In our dreams and nightmares, we can meld the most incongruous into a scene which makes sense so long as we dream. But when we are awake, it was just a dream. I wonder if such liberals really confuse their fantasies with reality, hence, see emotions as truth replacements, keep diametrically opposing thoughts side by side, and comprehend no conflict.

That way, their fantasy becomes their reality, and symbols replace facts shaping our own reality. I watched with fascination on tv the scene in London of a demonstrator struggling to extinguish the Olympic flame torch. Protectors defended it with unbridled fury. Nobody was about to harm that symbol. Our reality of killings and slaughter was one thing, but don’t dare touch the symbol. That is their reality.

Only the state of awake escapes them. A woman with a horrible tumor triggers that emotion sans reason, as would a baby seal or other weepy thoughts, but reality is a rude shock to them. This fantasy world explains projection, it explains cognitive dissonance, and explains the sickness of leftist thought. What we have left is the cause of this disease and I think I have a clue on that one.


97 posted on 04/07/2008 5:24:10 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

I will be the first to admit that I was shocked when I first saw pictures of her face, but then the more I read, the more it became obvious that she had refused all treatment.

Obviously there is no such thing as “good” cancer, but as far as cancer goes her’s was among the most treatable. Not only did she not have to die, she never had to look disfigured. This was her choice and it was no doubt influenced by people who really didn’t give a damn about anything other than their own evil agenda.


98 posted on 04/07/2008 5:35:17 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

But, see... You reasoned. A lib would emote.


99 posted on 04/07/2008 5:39:49 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee; Red in Blue PA
Funny I should mention the Olympic torch as a symbol of a symbol just upthread. Note this thread by Red in Blue PA and also note the post in #16, but not #15, of course.

(CNN) -- The Olympic torch has been extinguished by officials and put on a bus during the Paris leg of its relay amid anti-China protests, The Associated Press has reported. The incident came one day after anti-Chinese demonstrators made its journey through London more like running the gauntlet than a journey of celebration.

An anti-China protester is restrained by French police before Monday's Olympic torch relay begins in Paris.........

Olympic torch extinguished during Paris leg

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100 posted on 04/07/2008 6:12:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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