Posted on 03/31/2008 6:46:38 PM PDT by Bob Hyneman
Senior armed group commander surrenders to police in Kirkuk
Kirkuk - Voices of Iraq Monday , 31 /03 /2008 Time 10:05:40
Kirkuk, Mar 31, (VOI) - A senior fighter of an armed group surrendered on Monday to security force in Kirkuk, a police source said. "One of the most wanted persons surrendered to security forces in Haweija, south-west Kirkuk," a Kirkuk police source, who requested anonymity, told Aswat al-Iraq-Voices of Iraq – (VOI).
The source identified him as Salah Hassan, a senior member in Ansar al-Sunna, one of the armed groups working under the mantra of the self-named Iraq's Islamic state.
Kirkuk, the capital city of Kirkuk province, lies 250 km north Baghdad. AM/SR
Waterboard him till we know everything he knows, then shoot him.
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Issue a press release then send him back?
Yeah, same outcome.
will! i guess, ill turn myself in today. very odd
Mookie just cried uncle and now this. I’m sure that the msm will have their front pages proclaiming victory...right?
We are seeing the tipping point..The Iraqi government just showed they aren’t going to be pushed around any more. And the locals are tired of zealots with guns. Methinks a lot of guerrillas are going to pack it in soon, there will still be trouble, but it will be at Northern Ireland levels rather than what it was back in 2003-04. I think honestly, next time you see this fella, or Muqtada Al-Sadr...they’ll be standing for Parliamentary seats...and that alone will be a victory for the good guys.
BTTT
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That sounds perfect.
I agree and I hope you’re right.
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I'll set up a savings fund for his hearings...we need to start treating these guys with respect!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha...just kidding...shoot the butt wipe and hang him in the streets.
“Leader of Ansar al-Sunna surrenders in Iraq”
Who the heck is “Ansar al-Sunna?”
I’ll hold my cheers until more official source confirmation comes out.
“This guy needs a lawyer and a nice suite in the green zone hotels.”
John McCain, is that you?
Good news ping!
Thanks.
This is the group which killed Matt Maupin.
Surrendered, did he? That is exceedingly interesting. Not caught, killed, exiled in Syria...there’s a lot in this story that I’d really love to know. A “Sons of Iraq” enrollee perhaps? And if so, how will we deal with it? Lots of questions, not very many answers, so I’ll just BTT.
This is no clear indication of any kind of victory. [/sarc]
Security Forces -— as in Iraqi Security Forces, or US?
I believe you mean “What the heck is Ansar al-Sunnah”?
It tells you in the article: “one of the armed groups working under the mantra of the self-named Iraq’s Islamic state.”
Sounds like some sort of Sunni militia group or something.
Excellent news.
Only the South and Sadr city remain.
That's the same as saying only the Iranian backed militias remain...with the remnants of Al Queda. They stand alone.
My thoughts exactly. ... Many questions now about this.
One of the biggest and baddest sunni “militias” in iraq.
They are (I suppose I should say "were" now that they appear to be nearly eviscerated) a faction of Ansar Al Islam, of Zarqawi UBL fame.
see:
Ansar al-Sunna: Iraq's New Terrorist Threat
2004 by Michael Rubin
http://www.meib.org/articles/0405_iraq1.htm
and
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ansar-al-sunna.htm
Thanks for the ping
I just showed this to Jveritas and Ikez 78 today. Its an article that described Ansar Al Islam and Ansar al Sunna as being one in the same.
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/12/ansar_alsunnah_acknowledges_re.php
Ansar al-Sunnah Acknowledges Relationship with Ansar al-Islam, Reverts to Using Ansar al-Islam Name
By Evan Kohlmann
In recent days, the leader of the Ansar al-Sunnah Army (JAAS)—Commander Abu Abdullah al-Shafi—has issued a fairly remarkable communique that has received little public attention. Ansar al-Sunnah is one of Iraq’s most prominent insurgent groups, and has worked more closely with Al-Qaida than any other such organization. For the first time, al-Shafi publicly acknowledged that Ansar al-Sunnah is just another name for Ansar al-Islam, the Kurdish Islamic movement formerly headed by Mullah Krekar. According to al-Shafi:
“Ansar al-Islam was the second-most important target for the American military forces [which invaded Iraq]... On [March 21, 2003], our group engaged in military battles against the American army and its supporters. After a period of fighting back against the American assault, the leadership of Ansar al-Islam decided to withdraw. As a result, the American army and the apostates took control of the area. Shortly thereafter, Allah enabled us to rearrange our movement and we returned in Iraq under the new name of Ansar al-Sunnah. Due to certain realities on the battlefield, we had to expand our operations, while modifying our tactics, in order to confront the American enemy and its supporters... Indeed, with the help of Allah, the mujahideen succeeded in many of the clashes, battles, ambushes, strikes, and suicide attacks. They were also pioneers in using improvised explosive devices (IEDs)... Given our responsibility in maintaining the principles of Islam, the unity of Muslims, and to deal with existential issues that shall determine our survival, we have decided to continue our work under the name of the Ansar al-Islam organization. This name shall be the official name used in all future communiqués and statements…”
Thanks!
Iraq ping.
I hate to be an optimist. After all I work in the higher education business and none of my friends expect much from our country or its future.
Nevertheless, I have to say that it does sort of look like a tipping point. Thugs with guns seem like an integral part of Middle Eastern society to us after seeing so many news reports for so many years. It would be amazing and a great blessing for all if the populations of that region just got tired of the slaughter.
I hope that this gent who turned himself in is the first of thousands who have been touched by the recognition of the beauty of life and peace.
That is not in the DNA of a militant Islamist.
Precisely why we should be THERE stirring things up -- rather than allowing those lunatics the luxury of time, safety and comfort in their homes to dream up nasty Jihad attacks against us at their leisure....
Better to go to the den of the dog - and kick his ass there.
We know WHERE to find him - and he doesn't know WHEN we will come and he is too weak to prevent us from coming...
Think of Iraq as a huge "shit magnet"....or a Jihadist's jumping off place to paradise and his virgins....
Let the mess be in THEIR neighborhood - not ours..
Wow, RR, you are a very scary guy when you post. I hope that all our enemies are reading your stuff.
I’m just an old softie that hopes that everybody has a good dinner and puts their kids to bed and sleeps in their own beds with a loving spouse.
I guess that there are some bad guys that need to be scared so that I can do all that stuff in the last paragraph, but I try not to think about that until somebody blows something up and kills a bunch of people. Then, I guess you are right.
Anyhow, I’m looking forward to going back to being an old softie towards all those guys with beards and head cloths.
At least half of the country does not understand what you say;!
As usual, you are exactly correct and it is sad that so few people in the general public do understand.
My standing analogy is a roach motel. We have drawn an enemy who wants to fight an unconventional war in our streets, into a flat sandbox in his own neighborhood where our armor and air superiority and other technologies are most effective. To fail to fully exploit this would be criminal.
Now THERE is a set of questions that put this in perspective.... There's more thought-worthy and interesting stuff in your post than any 10,000 of those stupid "waterboard him and shoot him" posts....
Now THERE is a set of questions that put this in perspective
Yep. You both beat me to it.
Surrendered could mean anything at all, and I have seen no military pronouncement.
I will be very interested to see what comes out of this.
.....Mookie just cried uncle ....
If you live on FRee Republic as I do, you believe that Mookie was soundly defeated.
Fox news on the other hand has declared him the winner. This view extended to Brit Hume and all his panel including Krauthammer. The story is that Maliki surendered his power to Mookie and has lost Basra,
It went on and on and severly contradicted what we have been reading here.
found source- Ansar Al Islam same as Ansar al Sunna
Al-Fajr Media
http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=1002511&list=/index.php
Ansar Al-Islam Reports Deadly Strikes
Mar 13, 2008
Translation By Siham Un Nur | Arabic Source: Al-Fajr Media
Ansar Al-Islam, one of the most effective fighting groups in Iraq, has reported
several actions that their Mujahideen have carried out against US forces and
their Iraqi collaborators in Mosul and Baghdad, with deadly results.
In December, the leader of the Ansar al-Sunnah Army Commander Abu Abdullah
al-Shafi, issued a communiqué acknowledging that Ansar al-Sunnah is just another
name for Ansar al-Islam, the Kurdish Islamic movement formerly headed by Mullah
Krekar and that the decision had been made to revert back to their original
name.
The cosmetic change has had no effect on the daily attacks the group has been
waging, with Ansar Al-Islam releasing fresh details of operations they have
carried out throughout Iraq. Here are their reports, published uncut and
uncensored, as translated by JUS.
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those of the author and shall not be deemed to mean that they are necessarily
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Excellent news, senor!
Thank you for the ping!
Not “scary” at all...
Actually I’m a big gentle bear of a loving grandfather who almost never flies into a murderous rage............anymore..
To see me slow shuffling through the grocery store, smiling at and greeting all the ladies (many really beautiful ones) - you would never suspect I’m quietly alert and “prepared” for the opportunity to do a little “waste management” in the interest of a safer environment....
Some training and ingrained behavior never totally diminishes.
” That is not in the DNA of a militant Islamist.
Precisely why we should be THERE stirring things up — rather than allowing those lunatics the luxury of time, safety and comfort in their homes to dream up nasty Jihad attacks against us at their leisure....
Better to go to the den of the dog - and kick his ass there.
We know WHERE to find him - and he doesn’t know WHEN we will come and he is too weak to prevent us from coming...
Think of Iraq as a huge “shit magnet”....or a Jihadist’s jumping off place to paradise and his virgins....
Let the mess be in THEIR neighborhood - not ours.. “
Half the country has to be hit upside the head with a major airliner ,every two years to remember .
They’re having a very tough time recruiting the suicide bombers lately. And high profile HVTs who give up like this will hurt morale.
I have criticized the Bush administration and to a lesser degree senior command for failing to define what victory would look like. There are certainly valid political reasons not to place this into the arena of public debate but it lays the administration open to accusations that it doesn't know what it's in Iraq for and that the military is simply thrown out on an ill-defined, poorly-planned mission to do "stuff" until peace of some sort happens to come along.
I don't believe that to be the case, and so let us consider for a moment whether this is what victory looks like - senior members of the opposition surrendering to legitimate Iraqi authority. Be careful before you say "yes" because it has some rather interesting implications. One of those is that we can't kill the fellow. We can't anyway, really, because we actually have turned over that portion of the running of Iraq to native civilian authority, and properly so.
But this individual has been instrumental in the killing of dozens, hundreds, who knows? of our troops and he is a very dangerous man. Certainly if we encountered him in the field no one would have questioned blowing him to perdition. But we didn't. And now we approach the postwar position where we can't. We've been here before in Germany in 1945, for example, when people who we were doing our best to kill and who were doing their best to kill us suddenly became the infrastructure of a rebuilding country and a bulwark against our new principal enemy. That was a very difficult transition for many GI's and it's easy to understand why. Some never forgave their foes for slaughtering their friends in a lifetime. My late father found it very difficult.
But that was victory then. So is this what victory looks like now? Mookie's ugly face on billboards, free to run for public office despite lengthy and extensive violent opposition and the killing of our people? A Sunni counterpart sitting in a cell awaiting his return to public life unmolested? How difficult would it be to deal with if it is?
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