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Obama has become target of sick minds (barf alert)
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | April 2, 2008 | Andrew Greeley

Posted on 04/02/2008 7:44:50 AM PDT by cdga5for4

When Chicagoans who know Sen. Obama read the columns about him turned out by the national punditocracy, we tend to gasp and shake our heads in bemusement. He has become an ink blot for sick minds, very clever sick minds. Call up realclearpolitics.com and see what I mean. My favorite recent outbursts of hate come from Thomas Sowell, an African-American conservative economist, and from Naomi Schaefer Riley, the "assistant taste editor" of the Wall Street Journal (which title may be an oxymoron). Both write about Obama's connection with the Trinity United Church of Christ.

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I assume this is the infamous Catholic priest.
1 posted on 04/02/2008 7:44:51 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: cdga5for4

Andrew Greeley

Speaking of “sick minds”.


2 posted on 04/02/2008 7:47:01 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: cdga5for4

Obama wants to kill children and offer them up as sacrifices to his god. Greeley’s on board with that.


3 posted on 04/02/2008 7:50:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

Evidently, more people than just Osbama really believe what Rev. Wright was preaching. This Wright has not existed in a vacuum..thousands of people have heard and cheered his message and they reside in Chicago. I guess they drink the Kool Aid and agree with the message.


4 posted on 04/02/2008 7:55:44 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Oldexpat

Rev Emanuel Cleaver, KC Mo, now a congressman, stated this week that rev Wright’s speeches reflect what the whole of the black community believes.

So it’s not just “thousands in Chicago”.


5 posted on 04/02/2008 7:58:34 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: cdga5for4
The people, including the young ones, are the best dressed and best groomed congregants I have ever seen, and they emerge from the most elegant collection of cars displayed in Sunday morning Chicago. ... This is not Rev. Jess territory nor do the congregants look like radical white-haters.

I had no idea you could tell someone's politics by the way they dress or what kind of car they drive.

6 posted on 04/02/2008 7:59:12 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: cdga5for4
I assume this is the infamous Catholic priest.

You should put "priest" in quotes. He is no more a priest than my horse is.

7 posted on 04/02/2008 7:59:49 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: cdga5for4
Many of Wright's defenders and talking head show guests are making claims of "it's but just several snippets from a long and uncontroversial career." They want to look passed the snafu. But look back upon a recent incident...

A very famous television actor (same #1 show for 9 years), was in a nightclub delivering his stand up act. For two dizzying minutes, he spewed vile invective upon a black member of the audience. Blacks were riled. Executives were riled. And Michael Richards hasn't worked. But he too had a sparkling career without incident but for one "mistake" he might still be marketable.

I dare say the sainted Obammy and the nearly-reverend Wright agree with Michael Richard's fate.

8 posted on 04/02/2008 8:02:48 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: cdga5for4
Recently they put the entire sermon from which Rev. Wright's incendiary remarks were excerpted online to show that they were drawn out of context

Andy Greeley has also taken Sowell's comments out of context. Andy thinks what Jerry Wright spews is not hate, but what Thomas Sowell wrote is hate.

Me thinks Andy is a lunatic.

9 posted on 04/02/2008 8:05:19 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: cdga5for4

Argh, my brain, my brain!

Isn’t Greeley dead YET?!? What is it with all the zombies these days?


10 posted on 04/02/2008 8:06:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: Tax-chick

The pastor at the famous Fourth Presbyterian church on Michigan Ave. in Chicago, John Buchanan, strongly defended Wright’s comments from the pulpit on Sunday. My sister-and-law and her husband were absolutely fuming.


11 posted on 04/02/2008 8:08:46 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: cdga5for4

Were they in the congregation at 4th Presbyterian? Are they going to continue attending?


12 posted on 04/02/2008 8:11:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: Tax-chick

They were in the congregation. They were shocked. I haven’t talked to them since their initial outrage so I can’t answer their question. I can’t believe they were alone.


13 posted on 04/02/2008 8:14:38 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: cdga5for4

I hope you can gently remind them that staying in a church where a pastor preaches hate is exactly what Obama did. Decent people pick up and move on when the pastor goes in that direction. We all make our choices — the Bible tells us that humans often make bad choices, but we are called upon to try to do the right thing.


14 posted on 04/02/2008 8:20:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: cdga5for4

Well, best wishes to them. I honestly don’t know whether my pastor has said anything about this issue. We go to the Spanish service, and he doesn’t speak Spanish, so he writes his sermon (brief, and directly related to the Scriptures for the day) in English. Then the Hispanic Ministry director translates into Spanish and gives it back. If he’s feeling well (he’s over 70 and has Parkinson’s Disease), he reads it in Spanish (more or less), and if he’s too tired, he reads it in English and we hand out pages with the Spanish text.

It’s cumbersome, but it does eliminate off-topic commentary!


15 posted on 04/02/2008 8:20:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: cdga5for4
Hmm, so let's take a look at this, shall we?

When Chicagoans who know Sen. Obama read the columns about him turned out by the national punditocracy, we tend to gasp and shake our heads in bemusement.

Do you REALLY know him, sir? Or have you just been smooth-talked like the rest?

He has become an ink blot for sick minds, very clever sick minds. Call up realclearpolitics.com and see what I mean. My favorite recent outbursts of hate come from Thomas Sowell, an African-American conservative economist,

Uh huh. Thomas Sowell, whom you made a point of labeling as an African-American conservative economist and not just an American conservative economist, is a person with a sick mind and is a messenger of hate. Riiiiight. You are simply using the old tactic of turning the same accusation back on the accusers. Well, it doesn't work. There is NO parallel to be drawn between the likes of Rev. Wright and Thomas Sowell. And it is very typical for a person with a clever, sick mind to perceive that all of his enemies are the ones with sick minds. Witness Fidel Castro or Ahmanutjob.

Neither expert, I daresay, ever drove by the church on 95th Street on Sunday morning. The people, including the young ones, are the best dressed and best groomed congregants I have ever seen, and they emerge from the most elegant collection of cars displayed in Sunday morning Chicago.

And what does this have to do with anything? As I recall, Hitler was also a pretty well-dressed fellow. And if you want to see a really elegant collection of cars, check out those owned by the leaders of Saudi Arabia. You'll be floored.

Also, Thomas Sowell is very well-dressed and I'm sure he drives a nice car. Yet you accuse him of being a sick mind who spews hate. Which shoots your argument all to hell. Make up your mind.

nor do the congregants look like radical white-haters.

Looks can be deceiving, sir.

Recently they put the entire sermon from which Rev. Wright's incendiary remarks were excerpted online to show that they were drawn out of context, as were most of the other clips. Someone assembled the YouTube show to do the maximum possible damage.

There is no possible context that would ever make statements like those look normal and justifiable. None. In what possible context could you place a statement such as "AIDS was a plan created by white CIA operatives for the purpose of killing black people" that would ever, ever make that statement look anything other than completely nuts?

It would appear, however, from the most recent Wall Street Journal poll, the senator has recovered from the scandal, but he still lags badly in Pennsylvania.

You rely on a single poll for your information? From what I can tell, Obama was mortally wounded.

Anyone who knows anything about Obama's activity as a community organizer in Chicago, even before he joined Trinity knows his style was always one of bringing people together in consensus. For someone with legitimate claims to scholarship, Sowell is curiously innocent of regard for facts.

Uh huh. And what does this have to do with his 20+ years of attending Trinity church? The fact remains that he attended that church for 20 years, sir. His community work in the '80s might have been laudable, but is largely irrelevant.

Apparently the healing of conflict is not a religious theme.

Huh?? Exactly how is Rev. Wright healing conflict? For crying out loud, he is FOMENTING conflict!

Sowell is unaware of the facts of the senator's coming to political maturity, which is bad enough.

No, Sowell is aware of the facts of the senator's coming to political maturity, and realizes that these facts are largely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Riley claims the gift of scrutatio cordium, reading human motivation and smelling out hypocrisy. She is both more clever and nastier than Sowell. If you are a taste editor at the Journal, you don't have to explain how you know that another human person is guilty of hypocrisy.

So in effect you are making a sweeping statement that he Wall Street Journal is tasteless, eh? That, in itself, disqualifies you as a serious commentator.

Note that both are political conservatives, but their criticism is aimed not any specific position but at Sen. Obama personally. They simply can't stand him.

Note that you are a stupid liberal who can't grasp the fact that your criticism is not aimed at any specific position but at Sowell and Riley personally, and that style your criticism is a LOT nastier and more emotion-based than either Sowell's or Riley's criticisms.

Neither columnist is capable of delivering a precinct, no matter how skillful their fiction. However, their venom indicates that both are offended by this attractive, charismatic and intelligent young man. The last American politician who was the subject of such animus was JFK.

Oh, please. There have been plenty of Republicans who fit your description who've been smeared, slandered and defamed by the likes of you over the last 30 years.

You fail.
16 posted on 04/02/2008 8:25:06 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Sgt_Schultze

For the moment we can give Rev. Wright the benefit of the doubt. Hovever, with that benefit comes a responsibility for results. What exactly has Rev. Wright ever done to make the “racial divide” become smaller? What has he ever done in his career to lift up the black congregants of his church? What exactly has the Rev. Wright done to advace the principles espoused by Christ.

The comments were indeed taken out of context and that may not be an accurate reflection of the man. However, an examination of his deeds and the product of his works ARE fair game for scrutiny.

His works do reflect the man and I dare say that the Rev. Wright has been a dismal failure in is works as a minister, and as a Christian.

He is little more than a race hustler cloaked as a man of the cloth to deflect the scrutiny of his words and deeds.

Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Jeremiah Wright

Race hustlers all


17 posted on 04/02/2008 8:29:55 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: cdga5for4

Why didn’t they get up in the middle of the garbage and walk out ?


18 posted on 04/02/2008 8:30:20 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

Argh, I got a little dyslexic there with what was supposed to say, “and that your criticism style is a LOT nastier and more emotion-based than either Sowell’s or Riley’s criticisms.”


19 posted on 04/02/2008 8:33:41 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: ClearCase_guy

Good point.

I hope you don’t mind that I lifted your thought in an email to this jerk Greeley in which I said the following:

I just read your comentary in the Chicago Sun Times in which you allege that Senator Obama is being attacked by sick minds.

Well, Senator Obama, like his fellow Democrats, believes in abortion, whereby little babies can be killed in the womb as a sacrifice to their evil god. So, now who is it that has a sick mind?


20 posted on 04/02/2008 8:38:05 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Position Wanted: Expd Rep voter looking for a party that is actually conservative.)
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To: cdga5for4
Andrew Greeley calls himself a Catholic priest.

He is no way endorsed or supported by the Catholic Church.

He disgusts me. He is an over-the-top liberal, political hack of the worst kind, NEVER OBJECTIVE on any political topic, and almost all of his his published pieces spew politics, NOT theology.

He writes of Iraq and the Middle East in his anti-Bush diatribes, uses the Vietnam War as an analogy. He knows NOTHING about the Middle East, even less about the Vietnam War. Now he's a political hack for Obama and Jeremiah Wright.

21 posted on 04/02/2008 8:39:34 AM PDT by detch
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To: cdga5for4

The Church is filled with heretics in the pulpit


22 posted on 04/02/2008 8:43:29 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: detch

Greely is a “Berrigan” type of Catholic priest.


23 posted on 04/02/2008 8:46:50 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: cdga5for4

" The people, including the young ones, are the best dressed and best groomed congregants I have ever seen, and they emerge from the most elegant collection of cars displayed in Sunday morning Chicago. No Catholic parish in Chicago I know of displays such relaxed prosperity on a Sunday. "

What on earth is that supposed to mean and what does that have to do with anything? This is like saying he can vouch for Farrakhan's theology because he wears great bow ties from Burberry's. As for the "elegant collection of cars" comment, there is a line about serving God and Mammon that comes to mind. Perhaps Fr. Greeley remembers it from the seminary when he was still a Catholic.

Good grief. This fake priest porn novelist is sure they can't be racists, "why, look at their cars."!!! Does naive liberalism get any better than this???

24 posted on 04/02/2008 9:21:41 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

My first thought with your comments about Greeley were “Look to what depth Greeley has fallen — materialism, materialism, materialism...”

On the other hand, perhaps he has always been that way, and about as far from the vow of poverty that any priest could be.


25 posted on 04/02/2008 9:32:11 AM PDT by detch
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To: cdga5for4

What does it tell you when the notorious Marxist, the Rev. Andrew Greeley is on your side?


26 posted on 04/02/2008 9:55:08 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: detch
He's about 80 now so maybe he is going senile.

But by his theological and spiritual training he should be sophisticated enough to know that external appearances (fashion and luxury automobiles) do not confer exemption from original sin or bigotry.

But why is he so familiar with this congregation on Sunday mornings? Aren't there Catholic parishes in Chicago that need a priest to say Mass or people in a hospital who need the sacraments? Why is he bowing before the Gospel of prosperity and elegant automobiles?

His article is inappropriate for a Catholic priest. Wright's sermons were bigoted and racist while the congregation cheered. And Obama is a pro-abortion maniac who deserves no help in his quest for power by a Catholic priest, albeit a crazy, old, senile one, overly impressed by freshly-waxed Cadillacs, Lincoln Continentals, Mercedes, and Jaguars. Is he really that naive not to know this is a stereotype?

27 posted on 04/02/2008 9:55:42 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ClearCase_guy
Decent people pick up and move on when the pastor goes in that direction. We all make our choices — the Bible tells us that humans often make bad choices, but we are called upon to try to do the right thing.

Decent people STAY, and send the false preacher packing, before he leads any more of God's children astray.

It is CHRIST's church, not the pulpit-pounder's; and Paul explicitly told us what to do with anyone bearing/preaching false doctrines.

It is past time to go Biblical on these of whom we were warned, and drum them out of our midst.

28 posted on 04/02/2008 10:02:04 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
But why is he so familiar with this congregation on Sunday mornings? Aren't there Catholic parishes in Chicago that need a priest to say Mass or people in a hospital who need the sacraments?

I believe he splits those duties, week on/week off, with the other Catholic priest in Chicago, Father Pflegler...unless participation in obligatory demonstrations forces such 'mundane' ministry duties onto the back burner.

29 posted on 04/02/2008 10:12:12 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Still, it's hard to believe that even an 80-year-old crackpot modernist liberal like Greeley would be so stupid not to know that flashy cars reveal nothing distinctive about such a congregation.

Next, he will tell us he is sure Obama could never support vulgar, trash-mouth racism because he went to Harvard and wears stylish suits.

30 posted on 04/02/2008 10:27:09 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ottbmare

. He is no more a priest than my horse is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Probably much less so, a good horse can be an inspiration.


31 posted on 04/02/2008 1:29:26 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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