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Judge Regrets Kicking Out White Lawyers
AOL News ^ | 2 April 08 | None

Posted on 04/02/2008 10:58:31 AM PDT by SkyPilot

(April 2) - An Atlanta, Georgia, judge who ordered white lawyers out of his courtroom so he could lecture African-American defendants called that decision a "mistake" Tuesday night.

Judge Marvin Arrington says he is fed up with the defendants he keeps seeing in his courtroom.

"In retrospect, it was a mistake," Judge Marvin Arrington told CNN. "Because my sheriff said to me, 'Judge, that message should be given to everybody' -- 'Don't violate the law, make something out of yourself, go to school, find a role model, somebody that will help you advance your life.'"

Arrington, who is African-American, is a judge in Fulton County, Georgia, which includes the city of Atlanta.

He said he got fed up seeing a parade of young black defendants shuffle into his courtroom and decided to address them one day last week -- out of the earshot of white lawyers.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigot; judge; judicialactivism; judicialtyranny; racialdivision; racism; whites

1 posted on 04/02/2008 10:58:31 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

While wrong, wasn’t all that bad. He lectured them on what they were doing wrong, more judges should do that. THey just should do it to every color not just one. Judge has heart in the right place.


2 posted on 04/02/2008 11:00:04 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: SkyPilot

Imagine the s***storm that would have be started if it was a white judge who did this...


3 posted on 04/02/2008 11:01:07 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: SkyPilot

you know it seems racism by blacks is more worse than I thought.

thjis racism will only keep going on and getting worse when the media and others say enough is enough and use the words racism and racist when it is needed regardless of colour


4 posted on 04/02/2008 11:01:17 AM PDT by manc
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To: SkyPilot

you know it seems racism by blacks is more worse than I thought.

this racism will only keep going on and getting worse when the media and others say enough is enough and use the words racism and racist when it is needed regardless of colour


5 posted on 04/02/2008 11:01:25 AM PDT by manc
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To: SkyPilot

It’s ironic how so many judges show so little good judgement. Too many bloviating fools in black robes out there.


6 posted on 04/02/2008 11:01:31 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: SkyPilot

Okay, so who on this forum DOESN’T want to kick the white lawyers out... ?


7 posted on 04/02/2008 11:01:57 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Abathar

yes imagine the outcry from black groups and sharpton etc , imagine the media, and imagine the liberals

But wait we won’t hear anything from them as blacks being racist is acceptable in the democratic party, in the mddia and by the likes of sharpton

see it would have been white mans fault for him saying this


8 posted on 04/02/2008 11:06:17 AM PDT by manc
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To: Abathar

If this was a white judge it would be wall-to-wall coverage until he/she was hounded out of office.


9 posted on 04/02/2008 11:19:20 AM PDT by twntaipan (NOBAMA!)
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To: SkyPilot
I'd like to offer a different perspective. I'm a white lawyer in the Deep South. I see nothing at all wrong with what this judge did. I wish we had some black judges here who would go off like this now and again.

Actually, we do have a black Federal judge -- a Reagan appointee and classmate of Justice Thomas's -- who stops just short of this kind of thing all the time.

Nothing to get upset about here, folks.

10 posted on 04/02/2008 11:49:44 AM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: SkyPilot
I'd like to offer a different perspective. I'm a white lawyer in the Deep South. I see nothing at all wrong with what this judge did. I wish we had some black judges here who would go off like this now and again.

Actually, we do have a black Federal judge -- a Reagan appointee and classmate of Justice Thomas's -- who stops just short of this kind of thing all the time.

Nothing to get upset about here, folks.

11 posted on 04/02/2008 11:53:36 AM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: SkyPilot

Is it me, or is this dude’s head totally out of proportion with the rest of his body?


12 posted on 04/02/2008 12:30:24 PM PDT by jmc813 (Attn Bartender: WHAT'S on Stinking TAP?!?)
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To: Gurn

OUR SICKNESS

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/pc.htm


13 posted on 04/02/2008 12:33:52 PM PDT by SO RIGHT
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To: WayneS
Okay, so who on this forum DOESN’T want to kick the white lawyers out... ?

There, fixed your comment.

14 posted on 04/02/2008 12:43:22 PM PDT by ssaftler (Campaign 2008 slogan: DRIP [Don't Return Incumbent Politicians] on Congress)
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To: WayneS

I don’t discriminate. Kick ALL of the lawyers out.


15 posted on 04/02/2008 12:45:35 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Oba)
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To: Abathar
Impossible to imagine. Seriously. I practice in Fulton County from time to time (limited white collar defense) and when you appear with a white defendant as your client, you typically find that on a felony criminal calendar call (with say, 110 defendants on the docket), the courtroom is packed with nearly all black defendants and there will be perhaps one other white defendant other than my client (among the 60-80 defendants who will be present.) The staff of the court is predominantly black, the bailiffs are predominantly black, many of the judges are black, so you have, fairly commonly, a courtroom with maybe 3-5 white faces and a sea of black and Hispanic faces among the defendants. If a Martian were to land in the courtroom he would have to assume it was a system for processing black males.

Arrington has to be one of the black professional class in Atlanta that is tired of seeing this phenomena. I'm not keen on this - but if he wanted to talk to the brothas in a Come to Jesus mode without whites, no harm, no foul. It may not be efficacious, but I can hardly fault him.

16 posted on 04/02/2008 12:58:13 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: manc

You hit the nail on the head. My first exposure to racism was not white on black but black on white me.. Went to a Run DMC concert when I was 15 and had a group of Black Youts attack me and my friend and brother. They said “ennie meani meini moe, which white boy should go”. They proceeded to slap and hit me and my friend. Then in the 90s as I was a paramedical examiner I had to go to alot of AA houses and was treated with so much suspicion and obvious hate that it made my head spin. So yes you are right Black racism is getting worst and worst. Jeramiah Wright is not the only one teaching hate. There has to be a ton of people doing it.


17 posted on 04/02/2008 12:58:44 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: Gurn

I agree. I think this judge’s heart was in the right place. I see he made a mistake, but nothing he needs to be condemned for. I’ve done something like that because my heart was in the right place, but didn’t think about it completely before him. Let’s give him a break folks.


18 posted on 04/02/2008 12:59:41 PM PDT by Halls (Hebrews 12:4)
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To: WayneS
Okay, so who on this forum DOESN’T want to kick the white lawyers out... ?

Well, since you put it that way....

CA....

19 posted on 04/02/2008 1:03:39 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: manc
I agree. If this was a white judge who kicked out black lawyers - he would be burned alive by the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world. Not to mention the MSM.

Also, from the article:

He said he got fed up seeing a parade of young black defendants shuffle into his courtroom

Did the CNN author really say "shuffle?"


20 posted on 04/02/2008 1:04:50 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: manc

I’m surprised at you people!

You should all know that the driving force behind liberal ideology is, “Do as we say - not as we do!”

Is the shock being registered here merely feigned?

CA....


21 posted on 04/02/2008 1:06:42 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Seriously. I practice in Fulton County from time to time (limited white collar defense) and when you appear with a white defendant as your client, you typically find that on a felony criminal calendar call (with say, 110 defendants on the docket), the courtroom is packed with nearly all black defendants and there will be perhaps one other white defendant other than my client (among the 60-80 defendants who will be present.)

The Color of Crime

22 posted on 04/02/2008 1:07:12 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Mount Athos
"Judge has heart in the right place."

I have to agree. I lurked on the original thread and it seemed to be pretty much 50/50 but after sleeping on it yeah, it was wrong, if a white guy did it, etc. but I think you nailed it. The guy has a good heart.

Add extra points for saying he was wrong but most importantly for actually giving a damn and he's okay in my book.

23 posted on 04/02/2008 1:10:54 PM PDT by Proud_texan (Election 2008: What Clayton Williams said)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

“If a Martian were to land in the courtroom he would have to assume it was a system for processing black males.”

I have a favorite nephew who is a police homicide detective in a southern city (which will not be identified here). He once told me if it wasn’t for the black males committing crimes he wouldn’t have a job.

I think this trend started with Johnson’s “Great Society” which destroyed traditional (and often conservative), black families...it devolved into a culture of gangster mentalities coupled with drugs...very sad.


24 posted on 04/02/2008 1:13:59 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: SkyPilot

I wonder what happened to the court reporter. The person that is responsible for putting everything into the record? Were they ordered to stop as well?


25 posted on 04/02/2008 1:16:43 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: SkyPilot
I'm sure the 'utes' he was lecturing won't pay any attention to some old Uncle Tom who is acting white.

Rev Wrights across the land have done their job of completely alienating (and destroying) a generation and have been rewarded handsomely for it.

26 posted on 04/02/2008 1:23:04 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: SkyPilot

“out of the earshot of white lawyers.”
Why? If what his Honor had to say was so upstanding, why not let everyone hear it? It’s good advice (if indeed that’s what he said), that everyone can benefit from, REGARDLESS OF COLOR.

Geee,,imagine if the reverse had happened.


27 posted on 04/02/2008 1:27:13 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: WayneS

Interesting point, from various angles....


28 posted on 04/02/2008 1:43:06 PM PDT by DilJective (Who is Francisco D'Anconia?)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Arrington . . . wanted to talk to the brothas in a 'Come to Jesus' mode
That's just what it looks like to me. Arrington trying to use his own racial identity as a lever to accomplish what in any case is, and ought to be, public policy.

Maybe he should have done it personally and individually . . . there would be no impropriety that I can see, and it might have a bigger effect.


29 posted on 04/02/2008 2:00:37 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The Democratic Party is only a front for the political establishment in America - Big Journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I recall when I moved to Atlanta in 1995, I saw a lot of prosperous, professional, well-educated blacks and thought it was a great thing to see (as opposed to the images from Milwaukee, where I grew up). But not much changed, and I always wondered what it must feel like to see so many people of your own race, in a city which is more hospitable than any other in the US for blacks, failing. I don't know, it must be so disheartening.
30 posted on 04/02/2008 2:06:16 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: Chances Are
Is the shock being registered here merely feigned? chances are
31 posted on 04/02/2008 2:43:04 PM PDT by manc
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To: SkyPilot
So this could be classified as merely "good hearted" racism?

Damn!, the pathway to hell is paved with good intentions.

32 posted on 04/02/2008 5:51:43 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Will the AmericanHating Rev Wright be Barack Hussein Obama's ambassador to Iran?)
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To: Towed_Jumper
if it wasn’t for the black males committing crimes he wouldn’t have a job.

Statistically, if we didn't have black people in this country, I couldn't justify a concealed carry permit. For my demographic profile and neighborhood, I stand more chance of falling and hitting my head on a curb and dying than being murdered.

33 posted on 04/02/2008 6:14:05 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Hardastarboard

A somewhat related post for your review:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1995743/posts


34 posted on 04/02/2008 6:43:53 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: ssaftler

How true.


35 posted on 04/03/2008 4:36:10 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: manc

If you read his explanation as to why he kicked the lawyers out, it had nothing to do with race. The article said he wanted to address the defendants by themselves without embarassing them, unfortunately, that day most of the defendants were black and most of the lawyers were white. It had nothing to do with race and everything to do with him being concerned about the direction that these young men were headed. If more strong black male role models were available in these defendant’s lives, perhaps they wouldn’t be there in the first place. Don’t look for something evil in this judge’s intentions.


36 posted on 04/03/2008 8:37:58 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: brwnsuga

if it had nothing to do with race then why tell just whites to leave?

He obviously looked at race as he told a race of people to leave the room.
That is not right at all and if a white judge said to all blacks to leave a room there would be an uproar

If we are going to get past race then we must stop excluding/including others based on colour and this is what this judge did
He knew he did wrong as that’s why he said sorry afterwards


37 posted on 04/03/2008 12:35:43 PM PDT by manc
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To: manc

Read the article, it says he asked the lawyers to leave and it just so happened that the lawyers happened to be white. Please answer this. What was the judge’s INTENTION?


38 posted on 04/03/2008 5:20:36 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: brwnsuga

Whatever it was, he felt the need to apologize for it later.


39 posted on 04/03/2008 5:23:42 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

exactly, he felt he had to say sorry and that he said he made a mistake
he said that he was fed up off lines of blacks being put into his court room

he saw colour
now you may see this differently but I have never looked as someone as black in my job I look at them as are they worthy , are they lazy etc, the people who tend to look at colour and this includes mainly libs are the ones who are the problem of why we will never come together.

take away the black congree,
black channel
black colleges
black funds for schools
hispanic month
gay month
even black history month is not needed to me
why not have a American history month and look at how everyone made America, rights and wrongs, why base it on colour/race
the libs have been doing this for some time and now it’s hurting them basically you reap what you sow

I don’t see why we have affirmative action, it’s clearly wrong and racist, How can I tell my kids that they have to do well at school, work hard and then get told off one of my sons that he never got the college place as the kid who had lesser grades got in, and that was based on colour

also I believe that it was not just laywers who were asked to go either though I await to be corrected off you

Now you may see all this differently but isn’t it nice that we can have a debate, we can discuss and we can see others views unlike some on the left who want to close down channels , other views etc , that is what happens in communist countries or in nazi Germany


40 posted on 04/03/2008 6:28:46 PM PDT by manc
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