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Hispanic Leaders Fear Patrols Will Spark Violence
KPHO-TV (Arizona) ^ | 4/2/08 | n/a

Posted on 04/02/2008 6:39:22 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

PHOENIX -- Hispanic leaders are calling for an immediate end to Sheriff Joe Arpaio's illegal immigrants' patrols, claiming they are dividing the community and could lead to violence.

"As a community, we see him going out setting up his troops and stopping people at random -- racial profiling," said Hector Yturralde, president of We Are America. "After they find out they can't speak English or they have no identification, then they stop them for immigration."

Yturralde added, "He is causing a division within this community that is not good. And that is not his job."

He said the sheriff is using his title to grandstand at taxpayers' expense.

In the past two weeks, Arpaio has conducted patrols at two Phoenix locations where day laborers gather, using some 200 deputies and posse members. Last week, more than 50 people were arrested in the area around Cave Creek and Bell Roads. More than a dozen were illegal immigrants. Arpaio has vowed to continue the operations.

Yturralde, Lydia Guzman with Respect Respecto and immigrants' activist and former state lawmaker Alfredo Gutierrez expressed concerns that Arpaio's patrols, which have drawn large groups of protesters, will end up in violence.

"We're seeing people come out of the shadows who are very angry because at some point they feel victimized," said Guzman. "And other people are coming out of maybe the other side of the shadows and saying we want something done."

Gutierrez said most "decent" people do not believe the sheriff's operations are accomplishing anything, except dividing the community.

"He chose to take this extraordinary provocative approach," Gutierrez said, adding that during last week's operation, "We were able to maintain control, but barely." He said more patrols could lead to formal resistance, i.e. civil disobedience on the streets of Phoenix.

"I think that will begin to occur at his next excursion, the next time he brings 200 or 300 people into a neighborhood to arrest people," Gutierrez said.

Guzman and Gutierrez said everyone believes that immigration reform is absolutely necessary, but it is the responsibility of Congress and the federal government.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arpaio; donutwatch; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; kosovo; laviolencia; leo; policeabuse; sheriffjoe; sisepuede; threats
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1 posted on 04/02/2008 6:39:22 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Illegals just go home. No problem.


2 posted on 04/02/2008 6:41:03 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

You go...Joe!!!


3 posted on 04/02/2008 6:41:43 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
I get e-mails from family and friends on Joe Arpaio.

Sheriff Joe For President!!!!!!


4 posted on 04/02/2008 6:42:32 PM PDT by Viking2002 (I hope the AG pounds the Mann Act up Spitzer's ass with a sharp stick.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

So let me get this straight.

The illegal alien invaders are saying that if the Sheriff enforces the laws of the USA they will attack?

Sounds like a declaration of war.

Molon Labe!


5 posted on 04/02/2008 6:42:51 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"After they find out they can't speak English or they have no identification, then they stop them for immigration."

Outstanding! This is great.

Yturralde added, "He is causing a division within this community that is not good.

A division between illegals and American citizens is very good indeed.

6 posted on 04/02/2008 6:42:53 PM PDT by humblegunner (™)
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To: kiriath_jearim

So basically the president of this organization is indirectly proposing violence to stop a Sheriff from enforcing the law.

OK great. Got it.

Arrest and deport her ass while you’re at it, Sheriff.


7 posted on 04/02/2008 6:43:33 PM PDT by TheZMan (What is happening to Texas.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Obviously, the patrols are very, very effective.

The Wetbacks are asking for a Hudna!

8 posted on 04/02/2008 6:43:44 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: kiriath_jearim
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.....
What's the matter?
Afraid of the big, bad Judge Dredd

enforcing the LAW?

9 posted on 04/02/2008 6:45:46 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Well, bring on the violence and we will see who wins.


10 posted on 04/02/2008 6:47:09 PM PDT by westmichman ( God said: "They cry 'peace! peace!' but there is no peace. Jeremiah 6:14)
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To: Keith Brown

Yes, it does sound like their argument is that the sheriff should not enforce the law or the criminals might get mad.


11 posted on 04/02/2008 6:48:15 PM PDT by G.Love ( Romney '12)
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To: kiriath_jearim

[Hispanic leaders are calling for an immediate end to Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s illegal immigrants’ patrols, claiming they are dividing the community and could lead to violence.]

If it does, they will lose.


12 posted on 04/02/2008 6:49:41 PM PDT by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is not a “fear”, this is a “warning”.


13 posted on 04/02/2008 6:49:45 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: kiriath_jearim
There will be violence. It is inevitable.

You cannot be a serious student of such massive, tectonic demographics shifts, territorial incursion/occupation, and balkanzation, of any modern day nation such as the USA, without projecting out scenarios containing some eventual violence, as it slowly but surely escalates.

And in my opinion, they will be the ones to start it.

I think they are starting to position for it, and accordingly are issuing these veiled threats.

Because at the end of the day, they will NOT go home and they will squat. Logic tells us that something "has to give."

I and many others I talk too see it coming--I read it in Spanish language blogs and hear it in Spanish media as well. Storm clouds are brewing, the sub prime crash and recession just feed into it and polarization from both sides. I would hope these illegals would just toss in the towel, write off their losses and get out while the getting is good. But I also know of their patent intransigence, entitlement-mentality, lawlesslessness, and prediliction toward brute violence.

I just hope my fellow law abiding, sovereignty loving Americans back home, especially those living on marginal areas close to large concentrations of unemployed and attitude-laden illegal aliens, have taken all preparations and have plans in place for their family's personal and property safety.

14 posted on 04/02/2008 6:50:19 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (McCAIN Has Not Become a CONSERVATIVE. So Why The Hell Should *I* Become A RINO?)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I’d work for Sheriff Joe.


15 posted on 04/02/2008 6:51:08 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Hispanic leaders are calling for an immediate end to Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s illegal immigrants’ patrols, claiming they are dividing the community and could lead to violence.

“As a community, we see him going out setting up his troops and stopping people at random — racial profiling,” said Hector Yturralde, president of We Are America. “After they find out they can’t speak English or they have no identification, then they stop them for immigration.”

Stop them for immigration? No they stop them for being ILLEGAL aliens.
Since when did a Sheriff have troops? I thought the Officers were members of the community sworn to uphold the LAW.
Typical use of code words by those that seek to see that the laws of this nation are not enforcred when it comes to their sacred cows............


16 posted on 04/02/2008 6:52:30 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I love how they feel they have more rights than US Citizens.


17 posted on 04/02/2008 6:52:32 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I need to arm up and get ready. Then let the show begin.


18 posted on 04/02/2008 6:52:32 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: Paladin2

Funny how the man claims- to be the PRES of “We are America”, yet; the ones he claims to support are not American citizens.


19 posted on 04/02/2008 6:53:26 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: kiriath_jearim
could lead to violence

Let me get this straight, if Sheriff Joe Arpaio does not stop enforcing the law that he swore to enforce then the law abiding citizens are going to get violent, or is it the illegal citizens are going to get violent?

Gutierrez said most "decent" people do not believe the sheriff's operations are accomplishing anything, except dividing the community.

Now these decent people are those that are not baby rapers, terrorist bombers or illegal immigrants right?

20 posted on 04/02/2008 6:57:17 PM PDT by Liberal Bob (looneyfeft.com)
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To: wastedyears
I am generally not one to suggest such overreactions, but nowadays, my thoughts are evolving into that of more practicality, as well as a general reading of the tea leaves, of certain inevitabilities. Let us just say, I smell the coffee.

You know, freepers, we are doomed if we do not keep history in mind, or we have a "not invented here" mentality, something that chains our reasoning with a blind-kind of "it could never happen in America."

The next few years will prove me right or wrong, either way.

The illegal alien problem is one huge zit on the skin surface of the American body politic, that is about to be burst, with all kinds of ugly ramifications as a result, that will shock many.

21 posted on 04/02/2008 6:57:19 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (McCAIN Has Not Become a CONSERVATIVE. So Why The Hell Should *I* Become A RINO?)
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To: kiriath_jearim
...could lead to violence.

Shoot 'em all, problem solved.

22 posted on 04/02/2008 6:57:36 PM PDT by WesternPacific (I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils!)
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To: wastedyears

No righteous indignation when the cause is not righteous. These folks have no shame. Who said that they live in the shadows?


23 posted on 04/02/2008 6:57:45 PM PDT by tennteacher (Hunter Conservative)
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To: kiriath_jearim

You know, Ive always wondered..just what’s the problem with..when you get up and go out the door in the morning..to carry identification?

I mean, its flat and fits down in your pocket. IS that ONE THING too much for someone to handle in order to be a good citizen?

It seems as if the left counsels these people to do the exact things that will get them hassled by police.


24 posted on 04/02/2008 7:02:54 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: dbacks

It couldnt be that they would WANT people in immigrant communities to pick fights with the cops so they would get shot?

So these groups could get more funding and justify their phony baloney existences?


25 posted on 04/02/2008 7:04:43 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: wastedyears

“I’d work for Sheriff Joe.”

If Joe were to put out a call for help, I’d be there in about 3 days.


26 posted on 04/02/2008 7:07:20 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama has "changed" me. I am now "a Typical White Person”.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"He is causing a division within this community that is not good. And that is not his job."

If he's picking up law-breakers, that IS his job.

27 posted on 04/02/2008 7:07:54 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"He is causing a division within this community that is not good. And that is not his job."

BS!...he's doing the job 80% of the American people want another 1,000 sheriffs to do.....GO JOE!

28 posted on 04/02/2008 7:08:27 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: kiriath_jearim
I've been saying for years now that because our completely worthless government refuses to enforce the law that this issue will eventually be settled in the streets.

If illegals want to pick a fight thats fine with me.


29 posted on 04/02/2008 7:08:32 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"He chose to take this extraordinary provocative approach," Gutierrez said, adding that during last week's operation, "We were able to maintain control, but barely." He said more patrols could lead to formal resistance, i.e. civil disobedience on the streets of Phoenix.

"I think that will begin to occur at his next excursion, the next time he brings 200 or 300 people into a neighborhood to arrest people," Gutierrez said.

This sounds distinctly like a threat to me.

susie

30 posted on 04/02/2008 7:17:08 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea
It is, for all intents and purpose, a threat.

If they uncover something to this, and it involves several people, they could get them on conspiracy and RICO.

31 posted on 04/02/2008 7:19:16 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (McCAIN Has Not Become a CONSERVATIVE. So Why The Hell Should *I* Become A RINO?)
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To: kiriath_jearim

GTFO of my house!


32 posted on 04/02/2008 7:21:05 PM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I would sure hope so. Plus, the demonstrations in the streets a couple of years ago woke many Americans up to the problem, which is a good thing.
susie


33 posted on 04/02/2008 7:21:33 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: kiriath_jearim
-- racial profiling," said Hector Yturralde, president of We Are America

Hay, "Dumb A** Hector", illegal is not a race..

34 posted on 04/02/2008 7:24:25 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"We Are America." ROTFLMAO! Yeah....right.

Sorry Hector but it IS Arpaio's job to lock up criminals. The first thing illegal aliens do when they sneak into America is break the law.

35 posted on 04/02/2008 7:33:39 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How many more "scientists and researchers" can the taxpayers afford to support with Federal grants?)
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To: kiriath_jearim
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36 posted on 04/02/2008 7:38:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: kiriath_jearim
MS 13 HANDES Vs. police
37 posted on 04/02/2008 7:44:01 PM PDT by redreno
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To: bannie

“If he’s picking up law-breakers, that IS his job.”

I can not believe that it took 27 replies before someone stated this obvious fact.


38 posted on 04/02/2008 7:44:13 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Sorry Hector but it IS Arpaio’s job to lock up criminals. The first thing illegal aliens do when they sneak into America is break the law.”

You are correct.

I am so sick of the spin that this is about immigration. It is not, it is about breaking our laws.

It is not that difficult of a concept, so I don’t know why so many others can not understand it.


39 posted on 04/02/2008 7:48:53 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Gator113

you can carpool with me.


40 posted on 04/02/2008 7:51:22 PM PDT by steel_resolve (I stand with the Tibetans.)
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To: steel_resolve

Ditto....


41 posted on 04/02/2008 7:56:10 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama has "changed" me. I am now "a Typical White Person”.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Guzman and Gutierrez said everyone believes that immigration reform is absolutely necessary, but it is the responsibility of Congress and the federal government.

they always say that when it comes to citizens getting fed up, then when the same citizens are being taxed without representation by having to pay for the illegals: healthcare, food stamps, law enforcement, prisons, etc. not including lower wages due to illegals, then they say: “it’s a state problem to pay for this”

my question, and i never get an answer from the politicians, why is the cost “a state problem” and enforcing immigration a “federal problem”. if we taxpayers have to pay, we have a right to define who can receive our benefits (citizens and legal residents) and who can’t (illegals)


42 posted on 04/02/2008 8:02:12 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: Dengar01

apparently they do have more rights that us citizens

there is supposed to be equal protection under the law,
if you are a citizen and you COMMIT FORGERY AND FRAUD, your
butt will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

according to these groups and politicos who want shamnesty, we are supposed to just ignore the MILLIONS who have committed ID FRAUD AND FORGERY, meanwhile the citizen who attempts to do the same, is doing time

amazing how in this case, those judges, politicos, special interests, illegal alien supporters, ignore the constitution

if they want all the rights of the constitution without being here legally, give them ALL THE RIGHTS, LIKE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR BUTT HAULED TO PRISON FOR FRAUD

and yes, i live in arizona, lived here all my life, i’m a teacher, and what i have seen the last 15 years is making me sick.

i am angry about this. sheriff joe, russell pierce and andrew thomas are the only elected officials doing squat.


43 posted on 04/02/2008 8:09:17 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: machogirl

if we taxpayers have to pay, we have a right to define who can receive our benefits (citizens and legal residents) and who can’t (illegals)”

If the 80% of Americans who want an end to the invasion withheld their taxes and the first one the IRS arrested another 100,000 showed up and said “arrest us too”, you get the point, but people want the problem solved without themselves needing to be inconvenienced.

If the market charged us $50.00 for a loaf of bread and $100.00 for a gallon of milk and told us to lump it, we would see immediate, united action against the market.

well, the carpetbaggers are charging us $1,000,000 for the bread and 100,000,000 for the milk , tells us too effing bad,wastes half the money and steals the other half , uses our money to support their goal of turning America into a third world nation and there is no unified action.

Stay bent over cause the govt. ain’t done with us yet.


44 posted on 04/02/2008 8:45:25 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus

i’m sure they aren’t done with us yet, never will be, not even after you’re dead they still mess with you


45 posted on 04/02/2008 8:50:29 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The sad part of what your elucidating and I do happen to agree with is that when the crap finally does start hitting the fan and Americans have their backs up against the wall and attempt to defend themselves against these so called reconquista malcontents aka criminal illegal alien invaders they'll find themselves pitted against the very government that is charged with their very protection.

Sadly many of our elected politicians starting with the alleged President on down have chosen sides and it doesn't bode well for Americans I'm afraid. The day is coming before long I believe where Americans are going have rise up against an out of control and increasinhgly oppressive government. I pray that I'm wrong but I don't think that I am. God help us all.

46 posted on 04/02/2008 9:10:29 PM PDT by Ron H. (Keeping my powder dry for the next coming civil war....)
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To: Ron H.

Unless there is a STRONG reversal of the entire situation, I am talking mass deportations across the border, either forced or voluntary repatriation, I give it 3 years, maybe four, max. Particularly under a do-nothing President, who will be in Mexico’s back pocket, whom we are fully guaranteed now to have at the White House for the next four years.


47 posted on 04/02/2008 9:13:11 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (McCAIN Has Not Become a CONSERVATIVE. So Why The Hell Should *I* Become A RINO?)
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To: G.Love

“Yes, it does sound like their argument is that the sheriff should not enforce the law or the criminals might get mad.”

Good!

Let them throw some tantrums.

It’d be good from mom and pop America to see what the illegal issue is really like.

Then we bust ‘em or smoke ‘em.


48 posted on 04/02/2008 9:26:43 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I happen to believe that McAmnesty will only vastly exacerbate the situation if or should he be elected. He will be even worse than his fellow liberal contenders as he makes no bones about what he intends to do, so openly and so boldly about the uneducated unwashed hordes already here and those on the way and those still yet to come.

We'll end having to battle not only an oppresive big government but also the millions of anti-American socialist Demoncraps hell bent on our destruction as a nation.

49 posted on 04/02/2008 9:28:58 PM PDT by Ron H. (Keeping my powder dry for the next coming civil war....)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
I'm just the proverbial master of the obvious.


50 posted on 04/03/2008 5:17:22 AM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.)
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