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Haditha: The Collapse of a Liberal Fiction
Townhall ^ | April 2, 2008 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 04/03/2008 3:35:14 AM PDT by RedRover

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To: RedRover

>A judge did order Murtha’s deposition as part of the SSgt. Wuterich defamation case. The Bush DOJ is backing Murtha and has appeled the decision. So that’s where the matter rests. The family has limited resources to fight Murtha in dourt and he is using that to his advantage.

In separate motions before a military judge, defense attorneys have requested depositions of Murtha and Gen. Hagee. Those requests have been denied.<

Why am I not surprised? The government is now extremely well insulated from it’s constituency.


41 posted on 04/03/2008 10:10:35 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: xzins
For media reporting on the testimony, here's the summary of LtCol Chessani Article 32.

As I understand it, Lt Grayson was in a Marine counterintelligence unit (2nd CI HUMINT Co) and not under LtCol Chessani's direct command. I'm sure you know more about the relationship between attached specialized companies and regiments than I do.

42 posted on 04/03/2008 10:25:30 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Girlene

43 posted on 04/03/2008 10:26:37 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

I wouldn’t not be surprised that the Marine’s have a different system than does the Army. If an S-2 were assigned to a fighting unit from the intel battalion, in the Army they would still be rated and senior rated in the working battalion. The “intel group” assigning them would be in intermediate rater capacity.

In fact, that’s exactly how other special staff works in the Army.


44 posted on 04/03/2008 10:48:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: smoothsailing; freema
Smooth, Winter uses "24 Civilians" in his censure letters for Huck, Davis and Sokoloski , which was well after the media had painted their walls with it, effectively giving them a pass, but long after Winters knew it wasn't true.

freema had posted a link to a copy of the censures @92 here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993980/posts?page=98#92

(which, interestingly, isn't opening for me any more), and I commented on it @98

45 posted on 04/03/2008 12:23:21 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: 4woodenboats
Boats, you're right about Winter of course. BTW, try this link, it should work.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993980/posts

46 posted on 04/03/2008 12:56:49 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: LS

Damages could be a little, could be a lot. It’s the jury’s call. Defamation per se, however, requires no proof of damages.


47 posted on 04/03/2008 1:13:09 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: smoothsailing

I didn’t mean the link to the thread didn’t work, the link to the of the actual censure letters that freema posted @92 isn’t working anymore - http://tiny.cc/OzXs1


48 posted on 04/03/2008 1:18:12 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: RedRover; 4woodenboats
Red, what of this? Is Nat correct? Does DOM have the contents of the letters.

The contents of those letters were secret until they were obtained by Defend Our Marines .

49 posted on 04/03/2008 1:57:17 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; 4woodenboats

Yes, we do. But haven’t posted them because they have all kinds of warnings against doing so in scary, big, red, type.


50 posted on 04/03/2008 2:04:26 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover; 4woodenboats
I understand, it's would probably be best not to anyway.

I do have a question, though, if you feel free to answer it. Was Winters mention of 24 civilians only a reference to the Time magazine article, or was he making that claim regardless of what Time said. Freepmail me if need to.

Thanks Red. :)

51 posted on 04/03/2008 2:29:24 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover

oops...


52 posted on 04/03/2008 2:34:24 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: 4woodenboats; smoothsailing

I think I’ll kick that one over to Nat. I’ll Freepmail you his e-mail and you can ask him. He’s usually very good at getting back to people.


53 posted on 04/03/2008 3:17:50 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover
What do the Haditha Marines and the Duke lacrosse players have in common?

They were both railroaded by the mainstream media and a bunch of liberal politicians.

Absolutely disgusting.

54 posted on 04/03/2008 3:19:53 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

Great comparison. Spot on.


55 posted on 04/03/2008 3:23:41 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl

Yeah I know about “bank” juries, but even if such damages were awarded by a jury, there would be appeals that would invalidate them, right? The Pennzoil judgment against Texaco was eventually reduced from $11 billion to $3 billion-—still a heckuva lot, but down by two-thirds.


56 posted on 04/03/2008 4:03:31 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: RedRover; 4woodenboats
Yes, we do. But haven’t posted them because they have all kinds of warnings against doing so in scary, big, red, type.

You could have just said, 'stay tuned'.

57 posted on 04/03/2008 4:51:07 PM PDT by lilycicero (4wb you crack me up.)
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To: 4woodenboats

Well, that’s the last damn time I use that tiny url thingy.


58 posted on 04/03/2008 4:54:12 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: stylin19a; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

Those with their hands in the USMC Cookie Jar underestimate the power of the statement below. President Bush did not invent this theology.

Marines did.

“Americans have never retreated in the face of thugs and assassins, and we will not begin now.”

President Bush, March 21, 2006, Cleveland, Ohio


59 posted on 04/03/2008 5:02:42 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: RedRover

If the assigned NCIS agents would have done a full professional job, none of this crap would have gotten any legs to begin with. Is Admiral Winters considering how the NCIS will be improved upon. Probably not. I never got any feedback from a email I directed to him way back when.


60 posted on 04/03/2008 5:05:40 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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