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Muslim true/false ["Islamophobia" causing terror]
LA Slimes ^ | Apr. 3, 2008 | John L. Esposito and Dalia Mogahed

Posted on 04/03/2008 8:37:44 AM PDT by Alouette

Winning hearts and minds -- the Bush administration, foreign policy wonks, even the U.S. military agree that this is the key to any victory over global terrorism. Yet our public diplomacy program has made little progress on improving America's image. Few seem to recognize that American ignorance of Islam and Muslims has been the fatal flaw.

How much do Americans know about the views and beliefs of Muslims around the world? According to polls, not much. Perhaps not surprising, the majority of Americans (66%) admit to having at least some prejudice against Muslims; one in five say they have "a great deal" of prejudice. Almost half do not believe American Muslims are "loyal" to this country, and one in four do not want a Muslim as a neighbor.

Why should such anti-Muslim bias concern us? First, it undermines the war on terrorism: Situations are misdiagnosed, root causes are misidentified and bad prescriptions do more harm than good. Second, it makes our public diplomacy sound like double-talk. U.S. diplomats are trying to convince Muslims around the world that the United States respects them and that the war on terrorism is not out to destroy Islam. Their task is made infinitely more difficult by the frequent airing of anti-Muslim sentiment on right-wing call-in radio, which is then heard around the world on the Internet.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barf; islam; islamophobia; puke; vomit

1 posted on 04/03/2008 8:37:44 AM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 04/03/2008 8:40:31 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette
Why should such anti-Muslim bias concern us?

Because the numbers aren't high enough?

3 posted on 04/03/2008 8:40:51 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: Alouette
I have a prejudice against all sheep lovers.
4 posted on 04/03/2008 8:43:41 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Alouette

Count me among the prejudiced.


5 posted on 04/03/2008 8:44:37 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: Alouette

Stop Jihad Now.


6 posted on 04/03/2008 8:46:26 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Alouette

Let us quote from their own books -— seems simple enough


The Koran / Hadiths on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Jesus Christ, the Gospel,
The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels

Note: Because of variances in korans, some verses may be slightly off in different versions. For example, 3:85 is found as 3:84 in certain korans. Also, since the events of 9/11/2001, the University of Michigan has tried to sanitize some of the following passages by changing the word “jihad” to “battle” though the obvious context of the passages remains abundantly clear.


Reference URL’s

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

“The Women” [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[3.85] “And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

“Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility.” - Koran 9: 29

“.... I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” - Koran 8:12

“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” - Koran 9: 73

“When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.” - Koran 47:4

“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom....” - Koran 5: 33-34

” Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.” - Koran 9: 29

“....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” - Koran 98: 1-8

“Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!’” - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

“And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. “ - Koran 31-37

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror.” - Koran, 5:33-34)

“In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost.” - Koran, 8:37

According to the New Testament of the Bible, the God of Israel has a Son
- Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran

Therefore the Biblical New Testament Christian God of Israel is not Allah

“They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful.” - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]

“....the Christians call ‘Christ the Son Of God’. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth.” - Koran 9: 30

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

Say: “Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!” - Koran 17: 111

Further that he may warn those (also) who say “Allah hath begotten a son”: - Koran 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it “Be” and it is. - Koran 19: 35

They say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!” Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91

he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3


Jihad the Best Deed - Hadiths say Muslims will kill all Jews at the Last Hour

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:

Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “The (Final) Hour (last human battle on Earth) will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated ‘Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed.” The Prophet said, “The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. “

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, “Which is the best deed?” He said, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle.” He was then asked, “Which is the next (in goodness)?” He said, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” He was then asked, “Which is the next?” He said, “To perform Hajj-Mabrur. “

Hadith Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!’ “

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are): “There is a Jew behind me.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: “The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”


Mohammed was about 51 years old when he married a 6-year-old girl. 3 years later when
Mohammed was about 54 years old, he consummated his marriage to the 9-year-old girl

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235: Narrated ‘Aisha:
That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.”

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).


It’s considered OK for a muslim to kill an infidel, even if it’s another muslim

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, “Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah’s Book?” ‘Ali replied, “...we have what is written in this paper as well.” I asked, “What is written in this paper?” He replied, “...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel.”

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ “

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated ‘Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, “In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection.”

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated ‘Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah’s Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.”


7 posted on 04/03/2008 8:50:47 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Alouette
Heavy dose of SPIN in this pile of words.
8 posted on 04/03/2008 8:51:03 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Alouette
it makes our public diplomacy sound like double-talk. U.S. diplomats are trying to convince Muslims around the world that the United States respects them and that the war on terrorism is not out to destroy Islam.

Well, either the opinions of American citizens are wrong, or else the policy pushed by US diplomats is wrong.

Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes? I know what Muslims believe, I see what they do. Our diplomatic approach needs to change. We need to repurpose the war on terrorism and try to destroy Islam.

9 posted on 04/03/2008 8:53:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Alouette

Call the WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE!


10 posted on 04/03/2008 8:54:37 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Just another "typical white person" who is sure Obama does not want his vote)
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To: Alouette

STUPID REPORTER ALERT


11 posted on 04/03/2008 8:59:51 AM PDT by CarryaBigStick
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To: Alouette
Few seem to recognize that American ignorance of Islam and Muslims has been the fatal flaw.

Well, very true. Ignorance of our enemies needs to be corrected. But we won't do that by listening to enemy propaganda, like this.

How about studying history, for instance? Not just the crusades, although that would be good, but the whole history of Muslim conquests around the world for more than a thousand years.

And how about studying the real history of slavery in the post-classical world? Who were the principle slavers during that time?

And how about studying the life of Mohammed. What kind of guy was he, anyway? If we want to understand Muslims, we need to study Mohammed, who is their chief role model. Are Muslims who want to kill, rape, enslave, and dominate their enemies violating the example of Mohammed, or are they imitating him?

Should we respect Muslims? Should we tolerate their customs? Well, do they respect and tolerate our customs? Do they allow freedom and equality of religion in their countries?

12 posted on 04/03/2008 9:02:51 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Alouette
How much do Americans know about the views and beliefs of Muslims around the world?

Plenty. And we don't like any of it. Next question.

13 posted on 04/03/2008 9:12:00 AM PDT by LiberConservative (Part of the "Vast Typical White Guy Conspiracy")
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To: Paladin2

Denouncing Jihad is apostasy, it is a core precept of Islam.

(Violent) Jihad must be conducted until all people of the world are converted, subjugated, or dead.


14 posted on 04/03/2008 9:14:12 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Alouette
How much do Americans know about the views and beliefs of Muslims around the world?

Enough to know that we must seek out and get rid of the Islamic facists wherever they are.

15 posted on 04/03/2008 9:25:38 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Alouette
How much do Americans know about the views and beliefs of Muslims around the world?

This is ALL I need to know. PERIOD


16 posted on 04/03/2008 9:29:14 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Alouette
Islamophobia does cause terrorism.

Islamophobia=Rejection of submitting to Islam.

If everyone would just shut up and submit, there won't be any terror.

Except between Islamic sects, of course.

17 posted on 04/03/2008 9:33:16 AM PDT by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: Alouette
The problem is Americans know very well what Islam represents and the means it advocates to achieve its goals of global domination and either reducing non-Muslims to dhmmi status or killing then all off. Yes, we are afraid of Islam and have every right to fight it to prevent it from depriving us of our God-given freedoms.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 04/03/2008 9:42:30 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Alouette

19 posted on 04/03/2008 9:54:03 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Alouette

Don’t scare the public about the threat of Islamic tyranny or else they will kill you!


20 posted on 04/03/2008 10:42:27 AM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Oba)
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To: Alouette
How much do Americans know about the views and beliefs of Muslims around the world?

Enough to know that Al Reuters and other wire services lumped all muslims together when it came to telling us that Islam has more followers than Catholicism.

We are told that the radical antisemite terrorists are a minority representation of the "false" muslims. But they were included in the world count of all muslims. So how different are they?

21 posted on 04/03/2008 10:45:09 AM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Oba)
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To: magslinger
Islamophobia does cause terrorism. Islamophobia=Rejection of submitting to Islam.

Since a phobia is an unreasoned fear or panic disorder involving an unnatural or illogical functioning of the brain, the term Islamophobia is both inaccurate and misleading. Some people do indeed suffer phobias, demostrated as excessive fear of spiders, snakes, dogs of a particular colour, or many other possible fixations, even when no presence or threat from such objects is imminent or possible. There is little evidence of any widespread exhibition to the presence of old women entering a passenger airliner and shouting Allah Akbar! or simultaneously bowing toward Mecca, suddenly praying in a foreign language, or lighting fuses extending from their bootheels. Similarly there's been no widespread panic involving busty Nordic foreign students, or middle-aged Japanese businessmen- though some international air travelling orientals did indeed face closer scrutiny after three of their Japanese Red Army countrymen shot up Tel Aviv's Lod airport in 1972.

It's only after groups of muslums of mostly Middle-Eastern descent or appearance were involved in several incidents in which passenger aircraft were hijacked or destroyed that such concerns were evidenced, replacing concerns of earlier air passengers of several decades previously that they their flights to their destinations might be delayed by an unscheduled stop in Havana.

No, concern about islumist and muslum people and their characteristic disrespect for human life, to include the taking of their own to accomplish the deaths of others as a religious act that offers entry to a future paradise is more accurately described as Islamomisophia, though there's room to consider such details as spelling and wheether it deserves upper-case capitalization. Derived again from the description of the particular recipients of that sentiment, plus the more accurate word derived from the Greek -misos from which we have the words misanthrope for one who dislikes or distrusts humanity, or misogynist for one whose disdain is for one of a different sex, one who is Islamomisophic shows contempt for or disdain for those if islumic appearance or activity, whether deservedly or not.

But to be so accurate would remove the negative connotation from the term, smearing the accused with a mental disorder, and would be less politically useful. Which is why the terrorist murdererrs and their supporters refer to their enemise as Islamophobics in public- and, in private, by other, darker terms.

22 posted on 04/04/2008 10:24:37 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy
You make some good points. I like the term Islamomisophist and will probably use it in the future. It better describes my reaction to Islam. Not fear so much as the gag reflex.

None of that changes the fact that Muslims and Dhimmis will continue to call us what they will. I want to make it clear what they mean when they say Islamophobia: rejection of Islam and it adherents. They want want everyone either subjugated or dead. Say it clear and loud.

23 posted on 04/04/2008 11:04:59 AM PDT by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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