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Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry [big duhhh-if firearms are illegal, nothing to carry]
WIND ^ | 4-3-08 | Amanda Carpenter

Posted on 04/03/2008 10:57:31 AM PDT by SJackson

Barack Obama is embracing anti-gun policies in the run-up to a Democratic presidential debate scheduled on the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings.

“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

These remarks break from Obama’s previous moderate rhetoric on gun control.

While campaigning in Idaho in February, Obama promised, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”

Obama elaborated later that month in a political forum sponsored by ABC News and the Politico. He said: “I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people's traditions."

Obama’s tough talk on gun control may be prompted by Philadelphia-based Democratic leaders who are pressuring Clinton and Obama to adopt harder stances on gun control. This issue is expected to come up in ABC News’ Democratic debate on April 16 in Philadelphia. 32 people were shot to death on the campus of Virginia Tech by Seung-Hui Cho April 16, 2007.

Obama’s new hardline liberal position differs from his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and GOP candidate John McCain, who both are for concealed-carry.

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) said in a statement Obama should apologize and revise his stance. “Barack Obama ignorantly believes that legally-armed Americans are as reckless and irresponsible as the criminals with whom his political sympathies evidently law,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “He has been insisting for months he supports the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, but here he is now campaigning in Pennsylvania, stating essentially he would prefers Americans not exercise that right.”


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IVI-IPO 2004 US SENATE QUESTIONNAIRE

35. Do you support legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of

a. handguns?

While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable, I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety. In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level, including retaining the Brady Law.

b. assault weapons?

Yes.

c. ammunition for handguns and assault weapons?

I would support banning the sale of ammunition for assault weapons and limiting the sale of ammunition for handguns.

36. Do you support legislation

a. mandating background checks of purchasers of weapons at gun shows, through the internet and through print advertisements?

Yes.

b. increasing penalties for illegal resale of weapons?

Yes.

37. a. Should funding for the Legal Services Corporation be increased?

Yes.

b. What restrictions, if any, should Congress enact or repeal regarding the scope of federally funded legal services for the poor?

Congress should repeal restrictions that, among other things, prevent or discourage advocates for the poor from initiating class actions and other types of lawsuits that give meaningful redress for widespread grievances.

 

1 posted on 04/03/2008 10:57:31 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

I also have no problem with open carry.


2 posted on 04/03/2008 10:58:35 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: SJackson

My dead cold fingers, Obama.


3 posted on 04/03/2008 10:58:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (McCain has yet to give conservatives a reason to vote for him)
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To: SJackson
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

He just lost the election................

4 posted on 04/03/2008 10:59:27 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SJackson
I don't think Obama is going to get hunters and gun owners' votes in November.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 04/03/2008 10:59:41 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson

This may cost him the union vote. He just touched the third rail.


6 posted on 04/03/2008 11:01:33 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: SJackson
Wonder how he feels about an unarmed innocent white man that was beaten to death last week by a black gang while he was waiting for the subway in Philadelphia?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1995464/posts

7 posted on 04/03/2008 11:01:45 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SJackson

“While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable...”

So, to answer the question - he WOULD try to ban handguns. It just isn’t “politically practicable” [at this time].


8 posted on 04/03/2008 11:02:25 AM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: SJackson
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

Nope. Just line up and be shot like good little sheep.

9 posted on 04/03/2008 11:02:47 AM PDT by umgud
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To: SJackson

More criminals would get shot during altercations, is more like it.


10 posted on 04/03/2008 11:02:58 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Where is Galt's Gulch?)
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To: SJackson
"And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets."

And those folks with illegal handguns...are just gonna turn them in too.

Idiot....

11 posted on 04/03/2008 11:03:17 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: SJackson

Pander Bear!


12 posted on 04/03/2008 11:03:27 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: goldstategop

Do you think that this will be heard though? Most people will never hear his true feelings at all, they might hear his doublespeak during one of the debates with McCain but I don’t think this will be page one in any of the MSM papers or newscasts.


13 posted on 04/03/2008 11:04:48 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: SJackson

OK, 0’bambi, put your money where your mouth is. How about you tell your SS detail not to carry?


14 posted on 04/03/2008 11:05:04 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Where is Galt's Gulch?)
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To: SJackson

It’s hard to bear arms, if you can’t carry them. Obama is an idiot, an idiot who can’t understand the concept of the 2nd Amendment, private property or freedom.


15 posted on 04/03/2008 11:05:45 AM PDT by pallis
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To: wideawake

I guarantee this piece of trash, called a candidate to dupe the masses, has well-armed guards, but of course, not for the little people. The more I see this scum bucket the more I dislike his fraudulent claims of knowing anything. The other side of the bottom-of-the-barrel truly has been penetrated to reach a low-life like B Hussein Obama


16 posted on 04/03/2008 11:06:59 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: SJackson

Well sure, everybody knows one of the first things criminals do after they obtain an “illegal handgun” is to register for a CCW license.

Why, it’s just common sense that’s what they do.

(If the reader cannot determine the level of sarcasm in that reply, no sarcasm notice I could add here would help.)


17 posted on 04/03/2008 11:07:18 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: goldstategop

Osama Obama is going to lose PA in a landslide now.


18 posted on 04/03/2008 11:07:37 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: 2banana

THOSE (the gang) were the “innocent” people whom he does not want to see get hurt in “altercations”.


19 posted on 04/03/2008 11:07:43 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: TexanToTheCore

Amazing that all those big, tough Union members vote Democrat.

I was thinking the same thing, though.


20 posted on 04/03/2008 11:07:53 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: Red Badger

silly you..don’t you know by now that issues don’t matter?? if you don’t vote for him for whatever reason, you’re a racist, pure and simple../s


21 posted on 04/03/2008 11:08:18 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (GET A GUN....When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away..)
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To: wideawake

“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

So, I guess his SS detail doesn’t carry, right? I mean, that atmosphere could be created by anyone if it’s the gun causing the creation of it,,,,

Geeesh


22 posted on 04/03/2008 11:09:17 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: SJackson

“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune.”

No Muslim is, especially when they’re outnumbered 99 to 1.


23 posted on 04/03/2008 11:09:55 AM PDT by 353FMG (Vote for the Candidate who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

About 45% of business union members vote Republican. Been true for many decades.


24 posted on 04/03/2008 11:10:15 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: bmwcyle

And yet there are still those who would pull a lever for Obama ... incredible

Does he need a red star on a mink hat? Would that be enough? We’re only up to reason 9,992 not to vote for this clown nor give him any boost towards the White House


25 posted on 04/03/2008 11:10:53 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I dunno if Obama knows it or not, but a whole lot of those “under 30” types know more about self protection and concealed carry than he’ll ever know...........both legal and illegal.....


26 posted on 04/03/2008 11:11:44 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: TexanToTheCore; rightinthemiddle
About 45% of business union members vote Republican. Been true for many decades.

I've heard this figure bandied about for years. I seem to remember that this was from the 1984 or 1988 election, but that said figure has dropped since then.

If you look at the counties in NY, NJ, and PA that have a high concentration of blue collar workers, you will see that such areas are the most Democratic in those states outside of the ghettoes.

27 posted on 04/03/2008 11:13:29 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: SJackson

....typical black guy.


28 posted on 04/03/2008 11:15:54 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: wideawake

That should have been the follow on question. So if you do not support CONCEALED carry, do you support OPEN carry?


29 posted on 04/03/2008 11:16:25 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: F15Eagle

If McCain looses, it will be his own damned fault.


30 posted on 04/03/2008 11:17:28 AM PDT by unkus
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To: Red Badger

The statement shows total Ignorance...

He concludes that it is the weapon being concealed that kills...

Obviously he took the short bus to his muslim school, unless he expects the ignorant public (US) to believe that Bad guys carrying guns don’t already conceal them....

How many times must these liberal gun grabbers be told that it is not the gun that kills people... It is the bad people that kill other people... and if you make it illegal for good and responsible people to carry guns it will do nothing at all to stop the bad people from killing the good people with their illegal concealed guns.


31 posted on 04/03/2008 11:17:43 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey ( Obama will keep Black Americans on the Democrats Economic Plantation.)
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To: SJackson
I'm glad it won't be Hillary.

We need to make sure it's not Obama, either.

Then we need to stop McCain.

32 posted on 04/03/2008 11:19:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I’ll retract the rape complaint from the wombat, because he’s pulled out. Now I speak Australian.)
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To: Red Badger
"He just lost the election................ "

If I had a nickle for every time that has been said on this forum...
33 posted on 04/03/2008 11:23:07 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Beagle8U

Not if Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have the expected 105% voter turnout.


34 posted on 04/03/2008 11:23:18 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: SJackson

Obama! Kiss my ass. I’ll carry concealed when and where I like.


35 posted on 04/03/2008 11:23:34 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I tried explaining this to a liberal relative. It is utterly hopeless and useless to do so. In their world, everybody is happy and peaceful until a gun comes along and ruins everything. “Get rid of the guns and nobody will die.” is their line of twisted “logic”. Talking to one of them is like arguing with a two year old......


36 posted on 04/03/2008 11:24:43 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SJackson
Obama...gun grabber...with no track record. Hillary...gun grabber with a few attempts. McCain...gun grabber with multiple attempts...currently masquerading as pro-gun in an attempt to get elected.

We're screwed no matter which one of them gets elected.

37 posted on 04/03/2008 11:25:41 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: jaydubya2
If I had a nickle for every time that has been said on this forum...

You could buy a Senate seat..........

38 posted on 04/03/2008 11:26:08 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: TexanToTheCore

Yep.

Please keep talking Obama!


39 posted on 04/03/2008 11:26:48 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Clemenza

I think you are probably right. The number is from the decades of Nixon and Reagan and is probably not true anymore.

The union guys I know seem to have taken on Socialism as their guiding light. Much of the Marxist leadership of the 60’s has ended up in union administration and it really shows.


40 posted on 04/03/2008 11:28:14 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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Bookmark for ammunition. - BTTT


41 posted on 04/03/2008 11:30:33 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (The Presidential election is a race to the bottom. Which Party will out stupid the other to lose ?)
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To: SJackson; Clemenza; Born Conservative; airborne; smoothsailing; Dr. Scarpetta; martin_fierro; ...
"I am not in favor of concealed weapons," Obama said. "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

Here's the source. In a shall issue concealed carry state, no less, my prayers are getting answered!

42 posted on 04/03/2008 11:30:33 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: traviskicks

ping


43 posted on 04/03/2008 11:32:10 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: umgud

Hmm maybe he has one of those stereotype mentalities you know like all white people carrying concealed guns are out to shoot black people...

One can never know how much influence Jeramiah Wright’s hate whitey sermons have actually had on this man.


44 posted on 04/03/2008 11:32:45 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey ( Obama will keep Black Americans on the Democrats Economic Plantation.)
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To: Myrddin
We're screwed no matter which one of them gets elected.

All we can do is PRAY for a favorable Heller verdict!
45 posted on 04/03/2008 11:33:32 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: wideawake

“I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”

Liberal word parsing means but if laws are enacted that result in taking away your guns those were unintentional results of the laws...

Taking away our Liberties one at a time.


46 posted on 04/03/2008 11:36:07 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey ( Obama will keep Black Americans on the Democrats Economic Plantation.)
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To: unkus

Don’t underestimate this Obama cult - get the info out to your family and friends

And no McCain ain’t exactly helping himself or us on a near-daily basis - I pray he picks a decent VP ... but I ain’t holding my breath


47 posted on 04/03/2008 11:36:37 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: SJackson

“I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

Why do you think that??????

Concealed carry is legal many places, so there should be DATA to either confirm or deny what you “think”!!!!!

But, as with most liberal lies, reality is inconvenient, so they just make stuff up!!


48 posted on 04/03/2008 11:36:49 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: jaydubya2
If I had a nickel for every time someone has said, "If I had a nickel"..............sorry, jaydubya2...........just......too......hard to........resist.............

:}

49 posted on 04/03/2008 11:37:18 AM PDT by AwesomePossum
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To: 2banana
"Wonder how he feels about an unarmed innocent white man that was beaten to death last week by a black gang while he was waiting for the subway in Philadelphia?"

He probably thinks that it is the dead white guy's fault. If it hadn't been for him, those poor gang bangers wouldn't be in trouble now!

50 posted on 04/03/2008 11:39:12 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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