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Barr bid could hurt McCain
The Washington Times ^ | April 3, 2008 | Stephen Dinan and Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 04/03/2008 11:33:40 AM PDT by 300magnum

Can a conservative former congressman who helped impeach President Clinton, is a board member of the National Rifle Association and has done contract work with the ACLU dent Sen. John McCain's presidential bid?

That's exactly what Mr. McCain would face if Bob Barr, the former Republican who joined the Libertarian Party two years ago, wins his adopted party's presidential nomination.

"Barr obviously is dangerous. At least he negates any possible Nader benefit," said David Norcross, a New Jersey member of the Republican National Committee and its Rules Committee chairman, arguing Mr. Barr would hurt Republicans at least as much as Ralph Nader, who has announced his own independent presidential bid, would hurt Democrats.

Republican campaign pros said a Barr bid could range from causing them some damage all the way to being the equivalent of Ross Perot's 1992 presidential bid, which many Republicans think split their party's voters, unseating then-President Bush and electing Democrat Bill Clinton.

"Sure, it will hurt. We'll just have to see how much. Will it be like Perot's run? Always that chance," said South Carolina Republican Party Chairman Katon Dawson.

Dinan on the Republicans: McCain not an alien

A source familiar with Mr. Barr's thinking says he likely will announce his bid this weekend, at the Heartland Libertarian Conference in Kansas City, Mo., where he is scheduled to speak.

Mr. Barr declined to say whether he would make an announcement, but told The Washington Times, "I will be there certainly, and will be addressing the convention."

He said he has detected "significantly deep dissatisfaction with particularly the Republican Party and the Republican likely nominee," and that leaves an opening for someone with his views.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; aclu; babar; bobbarr; conservativevote; libertarian; mccain2009; thirdparty
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1 posted on 04/03/2008 11:33:41 AM PDT by 300magnum
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To: 300magnum
Barr bid could hurt McCain ^

It's OK folks...

It's a dud.

2 posted on 04/03/2008 11:36:43 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICEs toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: 300magnum

This also would be a good fix of sanity for the Libertarians they’ve been missing for many years.


3 posted on 04/03/2008 11:36:52 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: 300magnum

Unfortunately, we live in interesting times. Why do we lose the Bob Barrs . . . Newt Gingriches . . . Dick Armeys from Congress to which they are perfectly suited and incredibly valuable to their country . . . ?

And why do they come back to haunt the Presidential campaigns?


4 posted on 04/03/2008 11:37:30 AM PDT by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: mnehrling

Why isn’t Ru Paul running for that nomination?


5 posted on 04/03/2008 11:37:38 AM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Oba)
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To: 300magnum
....or, Libertarians could continue their slide off the deep end and choose Mike Gravel who also wants to run on the Libertarian ticket.
6 posted on 04/03/2008 11:38:12 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: weegee

After the 1988 scandal, I am sure the Libertarians want nothing from him.


7 posted on 04/03/2008 11:38:43 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: 300magnum

Barr wouldn’’t even get a dead cat bounce.

He’s had a lot of positions working for the ACLU that I suspect would make him highly unpopular.


8 posted on 04/03/2008 11:39:25 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold, the Rosenbergs and Joe Kennedy were all against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: 300magnum

I don’t know what the heck has happened to Bob Barr. He used to be the Congressman for the district adjacent to mine, but then he left Congress...and made an unholy alliance with the ACLU. He doesn’t seem to understand the WOT. Those two things are dealbreakers, as far as I’m concerned.


9 posted on 04/03/2008 11:40:40 AM PDT by Purrcival (Democrats can't run a primary. THESE are the people who want to tell us how to manage health care?)
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To: 300magnum

I suspect Ron Paul’s supporters would be suspect to go along with this. Of course there was never a chance of their supporting the Republican candidate.


10 posted on 04/03/2008 11:40:42 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: 300magnum
McCain not an alien.

No, he just panders to the illegal version of them.

11 posted on 04/03/2008 11:42:44 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Where is Galt's Gulch?)
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To: 300magnum
if Bob Barr, the former Republican who joined the Libertarian Party two years ago, wins his adopted party's presidential nomination.

Bob Barr would be very good. Before it became obvious that being a conservative is very different than being a Republican, I used to think of myself as a Republican with a libertarian bent.

Bob Barr would nicely fit both my conservative and libertarian leanings.

12 posted on 04/03/2008 11:45:25 AM PDT by RJL
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To: Greg F
And why do they come back to haunt the Presidential campaigns?

It wouldn't have anything to do with John McCain wanting to turn over American sovereignty to Mexico, would it now?
It wouldn't have anything to do with John McCain getting an F- from Gun Owners of America, would it?
It wouldn't have anything to do with John McCain voting for Ruth Bader Ginsberg would it?
It wouldn't have anything to do with John McCain voting against the Bush tax cuts, would it?
It wouldn't have something to do with John McCain calling Reverend Falwell an "agent of intolerance" would it?

Nah, it's probably just the fact that this Naval Academy classroom dunce actually believes in Al Gore's global warming and would be much more effective at moving the left's agenda forward than Barack Obama. Yeah, that's it.
13 posted on 04/03/2008 11:46:29 AM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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To: 300magnum

It’s ok, McCain doesn’t need the right anyway, he’s got moderates!


14 posted on 04/03/2008 11:48:58 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: 300magnum
There appears to be literally nobody left in the republican party that are republicans.. What a concept.. A republican party with no republicans..

Actually since all democrats are in reality socialists there are no democrats left in the democrat party EITHER...

YET, the socialist party is sooo covert that nobody even knows it exists..

15 posted on 04/03/2008 11:49:54 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: farmer18th

If you can’t hold your congressional seat you ought not be running for President as a general matter and should not be a spoiler as a specific matter in this case.


16 posted on 04/03/2008 11:54:32 AM PDT by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: ontap
I suspect Ron Paul's supporters would be suspect to go along with this.

I just did a little trolling, a few are, but most are upset, still thinking Paul is going to win through their delegate stacking, or are calling Barr a 'neocon' (they pretty much call everyone who isn't named Paul that..)

17 posted on 04/03/2008 11:55:30 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
....or, Libertarians could continue their slide off the deep end and choose Mike Gravel who also wants to run on the Libertarian ticket.

Go Gravel!

18 posted on 04/03/2008 11:56:19 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (El Conservo Tribe, tribal name "Avoids Fort Marcy Park" Watching the Rat Fight. typical white person)
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To: RJL

Why not just write yourself in?

Who else could possibly fit your own “conservative and libertarian leanings” as closely as yourself?

Why not?

You have just as much chance of actually winning the election as Bob Barr.

Even better, you can save the time and gasoline it would take to drive to polls.

You can vote for yourself right here on FReeRepublic.

You can vote for yourself as many times as you want, and vote a few extra times for Bob Barr, too.

The effect on the outcome of the election will be exactly the same!


19 posted on 04/03/2008 11:58:00 AM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: 300magnum

Oh, goody. Now McCain and all the liberal Republicans will have somebody to blame besides conservatives for the impending Republican bloodbath. He can give the Libertarians hell too. LOL!


20 posted on 04/03/2008 12:01:21 PM PDT by penowa
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To: hosepipe
"YET, the socialist party is sooo covert that nobody even knows it exists.."

Yeah, but it's BIG, filled to the brim with Democrats and Republicans pretending to be something they aren't and hoping nobody notices until after the election.

21 posted on 04/03/2008 12:05:52 PM PDT by penowa
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To: 300magnum

Wait a minute. I thought John didn’t need conservatives?

John has worked very hard to curry favor with democrats. I’d hate to soil his big victory by tarnishing it with dirty filthy conservative involvement.

Go John. You da man...


22 posted on 04/03/2008 12:11:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (New Europe, John Benedict Arnold McCain's bridge to 07/03/1776. Not even our past is safe.)
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To: Greg F
Why do we lose the Bob Barrs . . . Newt Gingriches . . . Dick Armeys from Congress to which they are perfectly suited and incredibly valuable to their country . . . ? And why do they come back to haunt the Presidential campaigns?

In the case of Newt, I would argue that he was "perfectly suited" to being in the opposition, but a complete disaster as Speaker ... and his personal problems (and hypocrisy with respect to them) were his ultimate undoing.

Bob Barr was fine in an adversarial role, and as such he was perfectly suited to the impeachement battle. But he was not at all well-suited to demonstrating the day-to-day respectability that goes along with being a responsible member of the majority party. He quit Congress and the Republican Party because his loud-mouthery no longer played well. And he, like Newt, turned out to have zipper problems of his own, which made his impeachment stance seem a bit hypocritical.

I tend to agree with you about Dick Armey, though.

23 posted on 04/03/2008 12:13:50 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: 300magnum
... conservative former congressman ...

... former conservative congressman ...

There, fixed it.

24 posted on 04/03/2008 12:16:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can't take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: 300magnum
Dem fantasy, this idiot is a aclu cheerleader.
25 posted on 04/03/2008 12:18:00 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: TSchmereL
The effect on the outcome of the election will be exactly the same!

If everyone that has a problem voting for McCain took your advice, the Republicans would be trounced in the House and Senate also. Some of the races DO have someone worth voting for.

26 posted on 04/03/2008 12:20:23 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: anymouse

ping


27 posted on 04/03/2008 12:22:35 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. Yeah... I guess.)
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To: r9etb

I think Newt got sucker punched by the media . . . and he gave them the rope to hang him with because of his ego and inexperience in being in the majority party (50 years for the Republicans since they had to be Congressional leaders . . . they never got it right). Barr’s “zipper” problem was overblown. He didn’t testify under oath in his divorce of his 2nd wife whether he had slept with his 3rd wife. It’s not exactly a Clinton or Spitzer level of skirt chasing.


28 posted on 04/03/2008 12:24:22 PM PDT by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: 300magnum
He said he has detected "significantly deep dissatisfaction with particularly the Republican Party and the Republican likely nominee,"

Then he's already ahead of the RNC...

29 posted on 04/03/2008 12:25:35 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: 300magnum

30 posted on 04/03/2008 12:30:06 PM PDT by maggief
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To: r9etb

I put “sucker punched” in the same sentence with “rope to hang him with” . . . sincere apologies for the mixed metaphors there. Pull your socks up if you wade into that sentence because the dog there won’t hunt; not to beat a dead horse but the sentence is more jumbled than a jigsaw puzzle.


31 posted on 04/03/2008 12:32:02 PM PDT by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: 300magnum
These HAS-BEEN politicians just can't help being attention whores and desperately trying to be relevant. "Hey look at me..."

"Bob, if you want attention, how about studying Brittany. Maybe you could walk around without underwear and flash yourself..."t

32 posted on 04/03/2008 12:33:12 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Greg F

“Newt Gingriches”

I for one am glad to see this one go, recently he started supporting the GOREbal warming message of the Liberals.

He has become just another RINO Whor* IMHO.


33 posted on 04/03/2008 12:33:53 PM PDT by stockpirate (McCain, Hillery with a war record. Time to run a 3rd party conservative for POTUS!)
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To: 300magnum

Of course BBs bid will hurt McCain. the MSM will see to it. It’ll be in stark contrast to the way they’ll ignore old Ralphie-boy


34 posted on 04/03/2008 12:34:54 PM PDT by wny
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To: Ingtar

I can already anticipate the news reports of all the House and Senate Republicans riding into office in 2008 on Bob Barr’s coat-tails.

I hope Bab Barr has long coat-tails!

Bar 08!


35 posted on 04/03/2008 12:45:57 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: Greg F
It’s not exactly a Clinton or Spitzer level of skirt chasing.

True ... and the impeachment issue was not about sex, but rather lying under oath. Nevertheless, politics is heavily influenced by perceptions, especially those of the "cast the first stone" variety. Barr was perceived as being guilty of pretty much the same things as Clinton or Spitzer -- and for him to attempt to get political mileage out of their errors was not well received.

More to the point, however ... My recollection is that Barr got increasingly shrill as time went on. I know that I stopped paying attention to him years ago.

36 posted on 04/03/2008 12:48:27 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: stockpirate

But that’s part of why they are right for Congress. They aren’t Presidential material . . . but they are two cuts above the average Congressman. Look at Ron Paul. I wish we had 50 of him in Congress. But I wouldn’t vote for him for President at all.


37 posted on 04/03/2008 12:49:12 PM PDT by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: r9etb

You have to be shrill to consider running for the Libertarian nomination or to get it! I’m sure your recollection of Barr is correct. I’m no Barr expert — I knew about his wife thing because I googled it when I saw he might get into this Presidential race. I have the general view that there is nothing wrong with libertarians, shrill conservatives, one passion type Congressmen (when their passion for the military, or prolife, or taxcutting or whatever happens to correspond to my views). At the Presidential level you need a broader man though . . . the one issue Congressmen, or the overly abrasive and overly honest Congressional firebrands, or the radical idealogical types really belong in Congress where they can do a lot of good and don’t need to be as politically circumspect if their district backs their view.


38 posted on 04/03/2008 12:57:47 PM PDT by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: 300magnum

Can a conservative former congressman who helped impeach President Clinton, is a board member of the National Rifle Association and has done contract work with the ACLU dent Sen. John McCain’s presidential bid?

The answer to that question is hell yes! I’m going to vote for him and if he needs help getting on the ballot in NC I’ll help him do that too.


39 posted on 04/03/2008 12:58:34 PM PDT by saganite
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To: r9etb

And he, like Newt, turned out to have zipper problems of his own, which made his impeachment stance seem a bit hypocritical.

Clinton wasn’t impeached for getting a Lewinsky. He was impeached for committing perjury. Some people never get the message.


40 posted on 04/03/2008 1:03:19 PM PDT by saganite
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To: TSchmereL
"I hope Bab Barr has long coat-tails!"

Do you have inside information the rest of us don't? Former conservative Barr a switch hitter and Hillary's got his file? It that the reason why he has taken up with the American Communists and Labor Union (ACLU)!?

Or could it be just a typo?

41 posted on 04/03/2008 1:14:49 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: 300magnum

“Can a conservative former congressman”

That should read, “FORMER CONSERVATIVE and congresscritter”.

LLS


42 posted on 04/03/2008 1:21:24 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Could I ever vote for mcstain? osamabama hussein may convince me yet!)
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To: TSchmereL
The effect on the outcome of the election will be exactly the same!

One sure outcome of putting McCain in office is that it would prove that being a liberal Rino is a winning strategy which would then be repeated ad nauseam nationwide.

No Thanks!

43 posted on 04/03/2008 1:22:49 PM PDT by RJL
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To: 300magnum
A source familiar with Mr. Barr's thinking says he likely will announce his bid this weekend, at the Heartland Libertarian Conference in Kansas City, Mo., where he is scheduled to speak.

Mr. Barr declined to say whether he would make an announcement, but told The Washington Times, "I will be there certainly, and will be addressing the convention."

He said he has detected "significantly deep dissatisfaction with particularly the Republican Party and the Republican likely nominee," and that leaves an opening for someone with his views.

Translated: "The bidding is now open Mr. Soros and for those of you well-healed Republican donors that might want to pay me to stay out of the race. A winner will be announced this weekend.

44 posted on 04/03/2008 1:26:45 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: saganite
Clinton wasn’t impeached for getting a Lewinsky. He was impeached for committing perjury. Some people never get the message.

Gee I wish I'd said that... Oh, wait. I did say that. Sorry to burst your bubble, son.

45 posted on 04/03/2008 1:28:17 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: LibLieSlayer
THIS Bob Barr? Eating the customary local cheese from Kazakhstan? LOL


46 posted on 04/03/2008 1:41:22 PM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...)
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To: 300magnum

A so-called conservative that works and praises the ACLU??? Give me a break.


47 posted on 04/03/2008 1:43:53 PM PDT by kenmcg
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To: TSchmereL

You miss the point, I expect intentionally. Telling those of us that plan to not vote for McCain to stay home hurts the candidates who we do plan to support with our votes. We’d better hope that McCain’s coat tails don’t drag a lot of otherwise good people down with him.


48 posted on 04/03/2008 1:50:31 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: NYC Republican

:-) dat be him!

LLS


49 posted on 04/03/2008 1:50:39 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Could I ever vote for mcstain? osamabama hussein may convince me yet!)
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To: Waryone

That was a typo. However, I have no evidence that Bob Barr is not a trans gender. Maybe “Bab” Barr had an addadictomy.


50 posted on 04/03/2008 2:22:57 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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