Posted on 04/03/2008 4:29:08 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
"John McCain won the Republican presidential primaries by running as a pro-life Reagan Republican, committed to low taxes and a strong defense. We assume that he will therefore pick a running mate who shares these views and whom conservatives can eagerly support. We assume, as well, that he is more interested in winning the White House than in redefining the Republican party, and will not try to make the party platform reflect each of his views. Should McCain’s judgment err in these respects, however, conservatives will not be powerless. Securing the vice-presidential nomination requires a majority of delegates to the party convention, and those delegates can abstain. A majority of the delegates from any six states can nominate someone else, and can also contest portions of the platform. Most conservatives are willing to support McCain this fall, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, and are also willing to work with him before and after the election. But conservatives are not, and should not be, willing to go along with McCain no matter what. Delegates should be prepared to stand for their principles, and the party’s future."
Being quite the newbie in the world of politics (voted since I was 18, just not "so involved") I had no idea the 1st set of bolded words existed. IF McCain does chose a Conservative VP, I still cannot give him my vote (well NGZ, why the heck did you start this thread), however.......
There has been much talk here on FR about a "3rd" Conservative party. Actually, it really would be a 2nd party since there is not much distinction between the pubes and dumbocrats. This is where the thread comes in.
Every party, every revolution, every everything usually starts with a small bunch. MSM (that includes you too pubes)keeps stating the "Conservatives" are not happy with McCain but will "step in line" come election time. McCain is now "contemplating" his VP.
If the above 1st bolded is true THESE DELEGATES ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW HOW TICKED OFF WE ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HEARING FROM US ON A DAILY BASIS. They do NOT know by stepping in line with the FAKE republican party THEIR JOBS WILL BE AT RISK.
Instead of all this infighting, Conservative against Conservative, let's bring it to the people who DESERVE it!
This requires a group effort! Even with all the infighting, no matter which "group" you belong to, the 1 thing we all seem to have in common is a longing for a Conservative VP.
There are many many intelligent people here. Information finders, articulate writers (had to use that word, lol), people with contacts, brite ideas, etc....AND A LOVE FOR OUR WONDERFUL COUNTRY, WARTS AND ALL.
Plan..... we need to gather ALL names of R delegates and rate from most Conservative (we start there) on down. We harrass the bleep out of them with phone calls, letters, emails, the works, and let them know how important a Conservative VP is and reiterate the 1st bolded above. We need to let them know we are out here and what their shoving down our throats is unacceptable.
We need to start somewhere and do something constructive to try and stop the impending train wreck. Heck, this could be the beginning of our Conservative party, who knows! I just know we have to do something, together (we can still bicker if you want).
What do you think? If someone has another idea, let's hear it. Heck, let's at least start putting something together.
When one door closes, He opens another. Let's walk through, together, and get something going.
P.S. Don't forget to donate to this quarters FReepathon!!!!
All you can really do is pray that McCain makes a decent choice. But influence his selection criteria? Good luck with that.
Cue the “aw jeez” guy.
“There’s nothing you can do.”
If our founding fathers had that attitude there would be no America. Buck up, there is ALWAYS something we can do.
If we’re going to go down, let’s go down fighting.
How about this instead....
Fred is an old buddy of McCain, and endorsed him very early on. He is an excellent business man, has a good reputation. and a household name. He is also a fresh face and I feel sure that would accept if asked.
Someone that I could live with.
If you are commenting on something on the NR website, why don’t you do us all a favor and provide a link?
“We could start by naming some of ours preferences right here.”
Exactly!!!! Why should we just sit and eat whatever they feed us?? I LOVE your attitude. Even if we don’t get what we want, at least we go down fighting.
This is why I posted. There are so many people here (post 6 is a perfect example) who DO have ideas. Like I said, I’m quite a newbie at politics and probably have not heard of many names some will give. But I can research.
Way too many assumptions.
Please take a look again. I said National Review Magazine. I have the magazine and I typed what was written. I also did not click “excerpt” since I did not get it online.
Would you care to share your assumptions?
False premise rigiht from the Get-Go.
The editorial "WE" that authored this doesn't know John McCain very well at all.
John has many liberal characteristics.
One of them is that he cannot abide those who disagree with him.
This quote from William F. Buckley applies to closet liberals like McCain as much as it does to any other liberal:
Sorry, but this cycle we conservatives have been batting near zero in our choices.
If your statement were true we would be sending money to Fred Dalton Thompson, or failing that, to Mitt Romney, but we could not even come close.
>and we “promise” to “get on board” with McCain's candidacy, perhaps he'll actually go along with our nominating criteria or nominee choices
Dream on.
>But we have to insist on a strong conservative republican for the VP role.
Dream on.
“advancing a political agenda is all about creating a majority.”
And how on earth do you expect to create a majority without starting from a minority? Things just don’t go BOOM, wha la, here’s your majority (except of course God, but you’re not Him, are you). Like it or not, the republican party is GONE. On it’s way to becoming the “radical liberals” you so seem to fear.
“Comments? Ideas?”
We can contact Senator McCain and tell him we want a strong conservative VP, and here’s McCain’s contact info:
John McCain 703-418-2008 and e-mail jpblack@mccain08hq.com and http://www.johnmccain.com/Contact/
We can call the RNC, and tell them how strongly we feel about a strong conservative VP for Senator McCain.
RNC number is:
202-863-8500
What is it you want?
Why don't we stick to the stated assumptions within this article?
That is what this post is about, no?
We assume that he will therefore pick a running mate who shares these views and whom conservatives can eagerly support.
We assume, as well, that he is more interested in winning the White House than in redefining the Republican party, and will not try to make the party platform reflect each of his views.
Two assumptions without one shred of supporting evidence, and assumptions which, in fact, fly in the face of everything McCain and his democrat compatriots have done, as in McCain/Feingold and McCain/Kennedy, along with all else of late.
“Conservatives only alternative is to vote for Conservatives in another party.”
Wow, I’m shocked you would support such a notion.
Dream on?
Being profusely negative isn’t going to win you or us any influence if we just give up.
We lost round one with McCain instead of Thompson or whatever your preference was.
But, the least we can do this election cycle is to get a VP that can represent what it is that us Freepers and conservatives in general represent.
I’ve heard that McCain wants to pick Lindsay Graham, but McCain’s wife says, “No way, Jose!”
False premise rigiht from the Get-Go."
It is merely an assumption. An assumption that has been played out here on FR over and over. I obviously took it differently that you did. I took it more on a "sarcastic" tone.
John McCain may not be a reliable ally of conservatives, but he doesn’t want to lose this election. And if he chooses a RINO as a running mate, he WILL LOSE THE ELECTION!!!
“And how on earth do you expect to create a majority without starting from a minority?”
Just like the liberals did from ‘60’s on...infiltrate and steal one.
Well, I would suggest that that would be the most that we could do.
Fight the good fight and best of luck, sir.
“...what it is that us Freepers and conservatives in general represent.”
What is that?
Yes......that is the whole point of my thread (sorry if that didn’t come across). Names.....we need names, share info.
Also, why cant we make a big stink of it anyway? Why would you want to “go silently”? Hasn’t silence taken us where we are now?
Nothing. McCain does not think he needs us.
A ticket that trounces the Democrats is the most important thing of all.
People stayed home in 2006 and look what happened.
We cannot have a Dem President and a Dem controlled Congress, it would be Jimmy Carter on steroids for four interminable years at least.
Thank you!
One would also have thunk that a lesson was learned from Perot.
It was called the Clinton’s and some people seem to have a death wish to do it all over again.
What does that have to do with the tea in China?
Had a way with words didn’t he.
So who are the most conservative potential VP picks?
Among others, I like Senator Thune, who I heard is on McCain’s short list.
My favorite would be Duncan Hunter, but I don’t think McCain would pick him.
CORRECTION:
Mccain wins RNC coronation.
The GOP feels otherwise.
They don’t speak for us.
Conservatives can still thwart this double-bind/ squeeze play/ Catch-22 of either an open borders RINO or a Democrat by forcing—via grassroots pressure—their Electoral College REPRESENTATIVES to vote for a write-in candidate like Duncan Hunter.
We cannot let the Liberals destroy the Electoral College by seceding—or let ourselves feel so desperate that we are willing to do it ourselves. The Constitutional Republic must be preserved.
The time for the PRESSURE of the POPULAR VOTE is coming soon, far before November and in advance of the RNC Convention.
The Liberals don’t have near the power over the entire process they want—or want us to believe.
And meanwhile, some prayer and fasting isn’t at all a bad idea.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980506/posts?page=104#104
It allows people to read and comment on the actual editorial as published.
Yeah, well I suck at putting my thoughts into words, sorry! Okay, let's see if I can do it this time....
I do not trust mclame and therefore he will never get my vote. A Conservative VP will make me feel a tad bit more “okay” IF God forbid anything should happen to mclame (he is NOT in the best of health. NO I AM NOT WISHING DEATH ON HIM, just stating facts).
I said 2nd party, since the “former” 2 seemed to have merged.
And last, I do not want Conservatives to go down without a fight. No matter how big your opponent may seem, you still have to give it your all, with no fear.
“McCain VP...What Can We Do?”
bend over, grab yer ankles and hope he uses lube this time?
What can we do? For one, we can stop obsessing over it. April just began and I doubt he will settle on a choice until August. McCain knows what’s at stake and he will pick a fine VP. Relax.
We do, after all, have McCain as “our” nominee.
Unless you are referring to only the GOP party, I hope that was sarcasm...
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