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This Day in History 1996: Ron Brown Killed in Plane Crash
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Posted on 04/03/2008 9:26:33 PM PDT by Deo volente

April 3, 1996

Ronald H. Brown, the U.S. secretary of commerce, is killed along with 32 other Americans when their U.S. Air Force plane crashes into a mountain near Dubrovnik, Croatia. Brown was leading a delegation of business executives to the former Yugoslavia to explore business opportunities that might help rebuild the war-torn region.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 1996; clinton; croatia; planecrash; ronbrown; usaf
One of many people associated with the Clintons who are no longer with us.
1 posted on 04/03/2008 9:26:33 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Deo volente
Title correction: Ron Brown Killed in after Plane Crash
2 posted on 04/03/2008 9:29:32 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Deo volente

Ron Brown was about to make a deal to testify against the Clintons.


3 posted on 04/03/2008 9:32:06 PM PDT by detective
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To: Deo volente

Isn’t it odd that Hillary, even while dodging the flak created by her Bosnia fib, still neglected to bring up the fact that Ron Brown died just days after she had flown in exactly the same aircraft? She could have used that as a tragic example of just how dangerous her mission was...But no. Not a word about poor Ron Brown.


4 posted on 04/03/2008 9:32:51 PM PDT by giotto
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To: NonValueAdded
before
5 posted on 04/03/2008 9:34:03 PM PDT by GulliverSwift (Hussein Osama Barack Obama)
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To: Deo volente

A Clinton hit ... pure & simple (not that anything to do with the Clintonistae is either pure or simple).


6 posted on 04/03/2008 9:37:04 PM PDT by dodger
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To: GulliverSwift

Didn’t he have a bullet in his head?


7 posted on 04/03/2008 9:37:07 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: NonValueAdded

I googled the words...Ron Brown bullet hole head...

and got 494,000 links.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=Ron+Brown+bullet+hole+head&btnG=Search


8 posted on 04/03/2008 9:38:38 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: giotto
She could have used that as a tragic example of just how dangerous her mission was...But no. Not a word about poor Ron Brown.

That .45 caliber hole in Brown's head might have had something to do with it.

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9 posted on 04/03/2008 9:40:11 PM PDT by JCG
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To: Deo volente

R.I.P. Mr. Brown, victim of an unsolved homicide.


10 posted on 04/03/2008 9:40:13 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: detective
Ron Brown was about to make a deal to testify against the Clintons.

Imagine the raw evil it takes to snuff out the lives of all those passengers just to shut one man up?

I hope I live long enough to see evil take a back seat in this old world....

11 posted on 04/03/2008 9:40:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: JaneNC

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/BROWN/bullet.html


12 posted on 04/03/2008 9:42:51 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: JaneNC
Didn’t he have a bullet in his head?

No. He had a round hole in his skull (along with many other injuries) that could have been made by almost anything - bolt - support strut, etc. in the crash. No bullet was ever found. Expert opinion at the time said it was probably not a bullet hole, although the conspiracy people always alleged that it was. He was no loss in any case

the joke about dee revin jesse and Al sharpton talking to a class about the difference between an accident a great loss and a tragedy comes to mind.

13 posted on 04/03/2008 9:43:18 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: NonValueAdded

“Title correction: Ron Brown Killed in after Plane Crash”

Actually, articles at the time suggested Ron Brown was killed before the plane crash.

http://archive.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1997/12/17/191306


14 posted on 04/03/2008 9:45:06 PM PDT by detective
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To: JaneNC
Didn’t he have a bullet in his head?

There was a .45 caliber hole in the top of his head. An X-ray revealed a "lead shower" behind the left eye. The plane was crashed by luring the pilots into a mountain with an alternate navigational transmitter. Those who didn't die from the crash were killed. A female survivor died from a knife wound in her thigh. The crash "investigators" made up some lame explanations that didn't square with the facts.

15 posted on 04/03/2008 9:45:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: dodger

Note to Bill Richardson. Take the bus. Seriously.


16 posted on 04/03/2008 9:46:16 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: maine-iac7

Imagine the raw evil it takes to snuff out the lives of all those passengers just to shut one man up?

The last person I read about who had that done was Pablo Escobar . I hope Mr. Brown found his peace & I like your tag .


17 posted on 04/03/2008 9:46:19 PM PDT by B.Bolt
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To: Deo volente

Yes, Cogswell, Kathleen Janoski, (who was later a fearless
guest on the Bob Grant radio show,), the “lead snowstorm”, all that brings back memories , and how much it was discussed in the early days of FR. But wasn’t there also a very suspicious death of a stewardess still presumably alive, but suddenly dead, soon after the ruins of the plane were found? And wasn’t there some explanation of how someone might have been stationed up in the hills along the flight path, with a radio device that scrambled signals, or transmissions, causing the plane to lose communication, or its instrumentation fail?


18 posted on 04/03/2008 9:51:46 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length" Robert Frost)
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To: Deo volente
Plane crash? I thought the autopsy showed a a fatal bullet wound.
19 posted on 04/03/2008 9:55:54 PM PDT by svcw (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: from occupied ga

Thirty-three of the bodies, including Ron Brown’s, were flown to Dover Air Force Base, Delaware, where they were examined by AFIP personnel. At the time of the crash, Mr. Brown was under investigation by the Office of Independent Counsel (Mr. Daniel Pearson was the Special Prosecutor) and was under subpoena to produce documents concerning the sale of seats on trade missions in a civil law suit by Judicial Watch. The official determination of the cause of Mr. Brown’s death was blunt force trauma.
 
On November 24, 1997, shortly after the Air Force released a voluminous report of its investigation of the crash, an article concerning the report was published in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. On December 3, another article included statements by one of the pathologists on the AFIP team, Lt. Colonel Steven Cogswell (USAF), that there was a perfectly round hole, inward-beveled, in Mr. Brown’s skull that looked like a bullet hole. However, no autopsy was performed.
 
On December 5, Cogswell was put under a gag order. At about that time, he was escorted to his home by military police who seized all case materials on the Brown case.
 
On December 9, Lt. Colonel David Hause (U.S. Army) another AFIP pathologist and a leading expert on gun shot wounds, confirmed Cogswell’s statements. The gag order was broadened to include all AFIP personnel.
 
On January 8, 1998, the Department of Justice reported that it had looked into the matter and saw no reason to launch an investigation. No one from DOJ talked to Cogswell or Hause.
 
On January 9, the Washington Post reported that the AFIP had convened a review panel of all its pathologists that had unanimously concluded that Brown died of blunt force trauma and that the hole was not a gunshot wound. But Cogswell says he refused to participate in the review and that the only pathologists with expertise in bullet wounds dissented (I.e., himself, Hause & Major Thomas Parsons of the USAF).
 
 
Shortly after the Post article, Major Parsons came forth to indicate his dissent to the so-called “unanimous” board conclusion.
 
On January 13, a fourth member of the AFIP team, Chief Petty Officer Janoski, came forth to confirm the account of the skull hole. She further indicated that she had been told by Jeanmarie Sentelle, a Special Agent with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, that x-rays of Brown’s skull had been destroyed after the “lead snowstorm” was discovered. According to Sentelle, a “lead snowstorm” on x-rays is caused by bullet fragments when a bullet disintegrates upon impact.

 http://www.rense.com/politics6/bullet.htm


20 posted on 04/03/2008 9:57:54 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: svcw

Incredibly, no autopsy was ever performed.


21 posted on 04/03/2008 10:04:30 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: JCG
That .45 caliber hole in Brown's head might have had something to do with it.

Whether or not there was a hole, the fact that Hillary did not use the Ron Brown crash as a lifeline in the midst of her media troubles only adds to the suspicion. It's the dog that didn't bark.

22 posted on 04/03/2008 10:19:59 PM PDT by giotto
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To: giotto

I find it ironic that Trade Development Agency (Commercial Section of Amembassy)in South Africa is named R.H. Brown Building, and was inagurated by the Clinton’s.

Besides a bullet, he got a bldg named after him; what a payback!


23 posted on 04/03/2008 10:28:56 PM PDT by RexFamilia
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To: supremedoctrine

It was not until 8:30 p.m. that Croatian police spotted two women lying under debris in the tail of the plane. They had presumed them both dead until, at 9:30 p.m., they heard one of them, Tech. Sgt. Shelly Kelly, make an “ah” sound. She was bleeding from her mouth and nose and from her leg.

At 10:36 p.m., a U.S. MH-53 helicopter took off from Cilipi in an attempt to airlift the survivor out, but was repeatedly beaten back by the now stormy weather. At 11:15 p.m., Croatian police put Kelly on a stretcher and carried her down the hill. At the bottom, they transferred her to a waiting ambulance. A Croatian physician pronounced her dead on the way to the hospital.

Rumors would spread that Kelly was seen climbing onto a rescue helicopter under her own power, only to succumb later to a slashed femoral artery. The New York Times may have fed the rumors by claiming the police found her alive two hours earlier than they actually had, and that “she tried to stand up, and lost consciousness.” But the Times was wrong, and rumors of her murder were just that. An entirely credible autopsy – something Brown was denied – would confirm she died of an “ill-defined cervical fracture,” a broken neck.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38386


24 posted on 04/03/2008 10:29:48 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: giotto

The last thing the Rapist and his wife are going to do is mention any of the corpses from their career!


25 posted on 04/03/2008 10:40:55 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Deo volente

My buddy was at Ramstein AFB at that time. The Finance office advanced 5000 cash to one of the people who died in the crash. The money disappeared in the wreckage. Maybe the guy with the .45 picked it up. The disappearance was hushed up. I emailed Jack Cashill about it (he wrote a book about the death of Ron Brown) and he wanted to talk with my friend—but he is afraid to go on the record while on active duty. Maybe he can tell what he knows after he retires in a few years.

I want to find out the truth behind the death of Ron Brown and the downing of flight 800.


26 posted on 04/03/2008 11:25:35 PM PDT by Conservative Vet
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To: Deo volente
... and got 494,000 links.

Check out your link now:

Results 1 - 10 of about 55,700 for Ron Brown bullet hole head. (0.04 seconds)

Looks like the Internet Clean-up Crew™ is working overtime.

27 posted on 04/03/2008 11:52:04 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn

Bada Ping


28 posted on 04/04/2008 12:46:48 AM PDT by Nick Thimmesch
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To: giotto

That’s a very good point.


29 posted on 04/04/2008 1:31:42 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: Deo volente

This interminable quote has a point?


30 posted on 04/04/2008 3:26:45 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: giotto

It is true that we know the Clinton’s lies mostly by their exclusions...the Clinton’s have mastered the disinformation techniques of the great KGB.


31 posted on 04/04/2008 3:28:45 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Deo volente

Tomorrow in History: Bob Grant loses his job for being a pessimist.


32 posted on 04/04/2008 3:46:12 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: Deo volente

As much as I watch A&E History Channell, I am always amazed at how much History they always leave out...as an example in the This Day in History, look at the Rosenberg’s death day...they are still only “alleged” spies....the Left will never let the truth be fully known.


33 posted on 04/04/2008 3:48:02 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Deo volente
This is only one of many death by Clinton stories, but it's one that makes me the angriest. We "know" enough about what happened and the probable motive(s) and yet it's the innocents on board that plane and their families and friends who paid the price.

So there it is. Raw, unadulterated evil on display for all to see and yet no one of consequence sees it. Instead we have cover ups and Clinton worship.

Justice is waiting for the Clinton Crime Family, but I can't understand why it waits.

34 posted on 04/04/2008 3:54:12 AM PDT by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: JaneNC

NO,
The bullet went through the head leaving only a .45 hole.


35 posted on 04/04/2008 4:15:03 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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36 posted on 04/04/2008 4:23:29 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: from occupied ga

“He was no loss in any case.”

I’m sure his family would disagree.


37 posted on 04/04/2008 4:26:53 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: Deo volente

Wasn’t there some connection on TWA 800 too?


38 posted on 04/04/2008 4:33:38 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: giotto
Whether or not there was a hole, the fact that Hillary did not use the Ron Brown crash as a lifeline in the midst of her media troubles only adds to the suspicion. It's the dog that didn't bark.

There definitely was a hole, but you are correct -- it's amazing that she didn't immediately point to that crash as evidence of the danger there.

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39 posted on 04/04/2008 5:05:55 AM PDT by JCG
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To: PurpleMan
I’m sure his family would disagree.

And I'm sure Stalin loved his mother and Robert Mugabe's family would miss him too, so what? No loss in either case there too.

40 posted on 04/04/2008 5:15:41 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Deo volente

SIDS (Sudden Instant Death Syndrome)


41 posted on 04/04/2008 5:19:40 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Deo volente

Weren’t there pictures and reports on the internet that showed a bullet wound? Or was that just a conspiracy deal?


42 posted on 04/04/2008 5:43:01 AM PDT by svcw (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: from occupied ga
You should have read my "interminable " post more carefully. Let me take you through it, step by step.

From your original post #13: "Expert opinion at the time said it was probably not a bullet hole, although the conspiracy people always alleged that it was."

And from my "interminable" quote:
...statements by one of the pathologists on the AFIP team, Lt. Colonel Steven Cogswell (USAF), that there was a perfectly round hole, inward-beveled, in Mr. Brown’s skull that looked like a bullet hole.

Lt. Colonel David Hause (U.S. Army) another AFIP pathologist and a leading expert on gun shot wounds, confirmed Cogswell’s statements.

AFIP had convened a review panel of all its pathologists that had unanimously concluded that Brown died of blunt force trauma and that the hole was not a gunshot wound. But Cogswell says he refused to participate in the review and that the only pathologists with expertise in bullet wounds dissented (I.e., himself, Hause & Major Thomas Parsons of the USAF).

...a fourth member of the AFIP team, Chief Petty Officer Janoski, came forth to confirm the account of the skull hole.


So, you see, some very important experts who examined the body at the time concluded that the hole was most probably made by a bullet. If you want to discount their "expert" status and call them "conspiracy people", go right ahead. But I won't.
43 posted on 04/04/2008 8:42:19 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Deo volente

Actually I read your post, but I only came to the conclusion that some people thought it was a bullet hole but the majority didn’t PLUS the xrays show no bullet and no exit wound. and as far as “interminable” goes I was hinting that it would have been better to show someone else’s writing in a link.


44 posted on 04/04/2008 8:49:30 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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