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The peroxide and fruit drink plan to down seven airliners
The Register (UK) ^ | Friday 4th April 2008 10:50 GMT | John Lettice

Posted on 04/04/2008 10:42:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The trial of eight British men accused of plotting to blow up seven airliners using liquid explosives began yesterday at Woolwich Crown Court, where prosecutor Peter Wright QC laid out details of their alleged plan. Using a home made liquid explosive mixture concealed in soft drinks containers the accused intended to set off the explosions when all the aircraft were at high altitude, he said, causing thousands of casualties.

The prosecution claimed that the explosive was planned to consist of hydrogen peroxide mixed with a powdered version of the fruit drink Tang. The addition of Tang, "which is an energetic compound", would aid detonation, said Wright. He claimed that the mixture was intended to be dyed to match the colour of a soft drink, then substituted for the contents of 500ml bottles of Lucozade and Oasis. The original contents of these would be extracted without breaking the seal by means of a syringe, and the resulting hole in the base of the bottle sealed with superglue.

The jury was told that the bombs were to have been detonated using hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD), an explosive compound prepared using hydrogen peroxide and hexamine. This mix would be concealed in hollowed out batteries, and put together with the liquid explosives and a power source, possibly a disposable camera, once the flight was airborne.

A diary which Wright said was found on one of the accused gave details of the planning. "Mouthwash, blue, red. Calculate exact drops of Tang, plus colour. Make in HP." And: "Lucozade, red, 1.5 drops, one teaspoon Tang, one teaspoon orange, 12 drops. Oasis, red. On, red dye. Orange, two times mango."

The men were arrested in August 2006 leading to a worldwide clamp-down on liquids in carry-on baggage, with the ban initially extending even to jam sandwiches, and leading to debates over the relative explosive capabilities of hard and soft cheeses.

Hydrogen peroxide is readily available in dilute form, which can with some effort be converted to a more concentrated form viable in explosive mixtures. Tang, meanwhile, is available in liquid and powdered form, and is a fruit drink made by Kraft.

The trial continues, and is expected to last six to eight months. ®


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedauk; alqueda; flight800; jihadinamerica; jihadineurope; terrortrials; wot
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1 posted on 04/04/2008 10:42:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“You’ll get a bang out of Tang!”


2 posted on 04/04/2008 10:46:05 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“HEY EVERYBODY! READ ALL ABOUT IT! INSTRUCTIONS ON BUILDING A BOMB — RIGHT HERE! GET IT WHILE IT’S HOT! USEFUL TIPS FOR YOUNG AND OLD!”


3 posted on 04/04/2008 10:46:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
When you start messing with an American icon, i.e., Tang and the space program, you've just gone to dang far.

Capital punishment is the answer.

4 posted on 04/04/2008 10:46:20 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Death by Tang. Geez!

“Terrorists. I hate those guys.” (paraphrasing Indiana Jones)


5 posted on 04/04/2008 10:46:26 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Kids all over the world will start to blow stuff up using Tang & hydrogen peroxide they can buy at CVS.


6 posted on 04/04/2008 10:48:00 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Tang went to the moon.


7 posted on 04/04/2008 10:50:56 AM PDT by toddlintown (On Obama's moral compass, "N" doesn't stand for "North.")
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To: Alouette

Kids can already do that with draino and aluminum foil.


8 posted on 04/04/2008 10:53:09 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
the relative explosive capabilities of hard and soft cheeses

I don't know what they can do on an airplane, but they can be pretty potent on the way out of your digestive system.

9 posted on 04/04/2008 10:55:34 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: Alouette; Congressman Billybob; rmlew; Clemenza
Kids all over the world will start to blow stuff up using Tang & hydrogen peroxide they can buy at CVS.

This is exacly why the Bush adminstration wants to try terrorists by military tribunals!

10 posted on 04/04/2008 10:55:39 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: ClearCase_guy; Doctor Raoul
Hexamine Solid Fuel Tablets...can be bought on the web,....

What the H**l does Tang do for the formulation...?

11 posted on 04/04/2008 10:57:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mysterio

“Kids can already do that with draino and aluminum foil.

Ah, memories!

add hot water in a 2 liter bottle and use that to fill baloons with Hydrogen.

Afix them afield; then aim and fire with bottle rockets.


12 posted on 04/04/2008 10:57:50 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; sit-rep; Squantos

Hmmmm....


13 posted on 04/04/2008 10:57:58 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: ClearCase_guy

Sorry, but before you get too excited, anyone that can read this thread on the internet, can also find much more precise and complete instructions, with a couple more keystrokes.

The positive nature of this article is the awareness factor.

If you see an Islamic sounding fellow chanting Allah Akkbar, and he’s got a bottle of TANG, Two “D” cell batteries, a camera with a flash unit, and he’s heading to the bathroom....


14 posted on 04/04/2008 10:59:21 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is Tang still on the approved breakfast drink of astronauts ? wow.. this is news to me..


15 posted on 04/04/2008 11:00:09 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
the relative explosive capabilities of hard and soft cheeses.

Okay, this cracked me up pretty good.
16 posted on 04/04/2008 11:02:44 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“What the H**l does Tang do for the formulation...? “

It’s in case they make you take a sip to prove it’s TANG.
It disguises the taste of h2o2.

Just kidding. Maybe it stays in solution without causing any chemical reaction to the h2o2.


17 posted on 04/04/2008 11:03:45 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Alouette

The ‘hydrogen peroxide’ one can buy at retail outlets is only 3% hydrogen peroxide and 97% water.


18 posted on 04/04/2008 11:04:31 AM PDT by posterchild ("Congress does two things very well: one is nothing and two is overreact." - Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga)
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To: Unassuaged
Now that's a pretty good idea!

We used to make homemade firecrackers out of pyrodex, duct tape, and cannon fuse.

Can't do that stuff if you're a kid now. And I didn't hurt anything with the firecrackers. Usually tossed them in a field or sank them in a pond with a rock. Those things made quite a ripple!
19 posted on 04/04/2008 11:06:52 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hydrogen and Peroxide.

Talk about a blue darter,man.


20 posted on 04/04/2008 11:08:07 AM PDT by righttackle44 (a)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
What the H**l does Tang do for the formulation...?

It's the sugar. The oxidant.

21 posted on 04/04/2008 11:08:34 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Alouette

When I was a kid we’d blow ourselves up with chemistry sets or a few simple ingredients available at drugstores. I’ll forever curse the lawyers and nanny-staters who made it impossible to sell the really good chemistry sets nowadays.


22 posted on 04/04/2008 11:09:47 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The inventor of Tang, William A. Mitchell, also invented Pop Rocks.

It has long been believed that Tang got its name from China because of its high content of sugar. The Chinese name for sugar is Tang.

A household tip says Tang is an excellent dishwasher cleaning agent due to its high citric acid content, although Kraft does not recommend it or advocate such use.

Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=1996785%2C11


23 posted on 04/04/2008 11:10:51 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Image hosted by Photobucket.com skin them all alive... then set their azzes on fire!!!
24 posted on 04/04/2008 11:12:13 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: mysterio

Same here, never into property damage, just liked making things go boom. A 35mm film can filled with home-made flashpowder was great for taking chunks out of tree stumps.


25 posted on 04/04/2008 11:12:54 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: RightWhale

pardon me Right but your wrong

The sugar in Tang is the reducing agent - the peroxide would be the oxidizing agent.

But if they mixed them together how id it not go boom when mixed - somebody know?

Lurking’


26 posted on 04/04/2008 11:13:38 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: RightWhale

Sugar is fuel, not oxidizer. The first composite model rocket engines from the 1970s used sugar mixed with an oxidizing agent.


27 posted on 04/04/2008 11:14:38 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: Squawk 8888

I still remember the Potassium Permanganate volcano, LOL.


28 posted on 04/04/2008 11:14:45 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: posterchild

And the ammonia is diluted about the same.

Many people have no clue just how powerful the most common household cleaning chemicals are, in their natural state.

It is why the chemicals must be so greatly diluted.

You could open a bottle of %50 ammonia, and whiff a smell of it, but you would only do it once.


29 posted on 04/04/2008 11:15:36 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: NormsRevenge

See followon comments.


30 posted on 04/04/2008 11:15:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: UCANSEE2
It’s in case they make you take a sip to prove it’s TANG.
It disguises the taste of h2o2.

At airports I've been through recently, they just make you toss the drink.

31 posted on 04/04/2008 11:16:56 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: LurkingSince'98

That’s about the level of science on this BBS.


32 posted on 04/04/2008 11:18:00 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks, I saw Pop rocks mentioned, they popped in my head too.. well, in my mouth technically but..


33 posted on 04/04/2008 11:18:59 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Alouette; RightWhale; All

The artificial sweeteners used in the new formulation are Sucralose, acesulfame potassium, and Neotame.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_(drink)


34 posted on 04/04/2008 11:19:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: UCANSEE2

As is Sodium Hypochlorite (bleach).
Which is the reason that when railroad tanker cars of ammonia are involved in an accident the authorities call hazardous materials specialists rather than Mr. Clean.


35 posted on 04/04/2008 11:20:25 AM PDT by posterchild ("Congress does two things very well: one is nothing and two is overreact." - Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Tang would be the oxidizer.


36 posted on 04/04/2008 11:20:25 AM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Eight British men?


37 posted on 04/04/2008 11:20:32 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: LurkingSince'98

Here’s how


“The jury was told that the bombs were to have been detonated using hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD), an explosive compound prepared using hydrogen peroxide and hexamine.

This mix would be concealed in hollowed out batteries, and put together with the liquid explosives and a power source, possibly a disposable camera, once the flight was airborne.”


38 posted on 04/04/2008 11:21:55 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Squawk 8888

Are we ready to take on Algore’s science? Algore can’t read a meniscus, but can we?


39 posted on 04/04/2008 11:24:14 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: toddlintown
"Tang went to the moon."

Not Poon Tang. Yet.

40 posted on 04/04/2008 11:24:39 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: posterchild
The ‘hydrogen peroxide’ one can buy at retail outlets is only 3% hydrogen peroxide and 97% water.

If you're working on certain "alternative fuel" projects, you can get 99% pure. Which is why it might be a good idea to pay more attention on what kind of grad students you have working on certain research projects.

I'm sure there are some imams providing guidance to certain muslim college students as to what sort of majors and projects they should be in, with an eye to what sort of knowledge and access to materials that might provide

41 posted on 04/04/2008 11:24:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: BreezyDog

Now you’ve done it.


42 posted on 04/04/2008 11:26:22 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: FrdmLvr

43 posted on 04/04/2008 11:26:58 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...and leading to debates over the relative explosive capabilities of hard and soft cheeses.

That's quite a turn of a phrase, I must say!

44 posted on 04/04/2008 11:27:36 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: FrdmLvr

yup...did they mention their being youths too?


45 posted on 04/04/2008 11:28:45 AM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: LurkingSince'98

“Mouthwash, blue, red. Calculate exact drops of Tang, plus colour. Make in HP.” And: “Lucozade, red, 1.5 drops, one teaspoon Tang, one teaspoon orange, 12 drops. Oasis, red. On, red dye. Orange, two times mango.”


So far I got ALCOHOL
Citric Acid
Sucralose, acesulfame potassium, and Neotame.
Neotame: Neotame is moderately heat stable and extremely potent.
Chemically, it has a 3,3-dimethylbutyl group attached to the amino group of the aspartic acid portion of the molecule. )

Hydrogen Peroxide
Hexamine


46 posted on 04/04/2008 11:31:25 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yah, What’s with Tang here? Makes it smell good?


47 posted on 04/04/2008 11:37:31 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: UCANSEE2

Tang mixed with Coke is a **fantastic** toilet bowl cleaner, btw. Vitreous porcelain loves the stuff.


48 posted on 04/04/2008 11:41:11 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: NormsRevenge

TSA will now show up on the launch pad at Kennedy Space Center and confiscate the Astronauts’ Tang...


49 posted on 04/04/2008 11:43:43 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: BenLurkin

STEAD!!!!!!!!!


50 posted on 04/04/2008 11:59:37 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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