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1 posted on 04/04/2008 5:50:57 PM PDT by UnklGene
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I don't much like Hillary and I surely would never vote for her, but it would seem Theodore Dalrymple has done what most do when it comes to memory. They assume memory is like a computer and everything is recorded and it can be recovered in original form.

The truth, as we currently know it, is far different. Memory has several problems. Daniel Schacter in his easily read book, The Seven Sins of Memory, lists these sins as: transience, absent mindedness, blocking, misattribution, suggestibility, bias and permanence.

I know these will seven will be puzzling. But don't worry you can find a review of Schacter's classic and definitive book on FR: HERE.

I wrote the book review on Schacter after witnessing the problems dealing with the Libby case. The judge refused to allow expert testimony in this case. If he had Libby might have walked since his was a virtual classic case of a memory failure by virtue of missatribution. He essentially, attributed something he heard in the White House to a journalist (Tim Russert). For this he was convicted of perjury.

In respect to Hillary I do believe she has a variety of problems-transience(forgetting) plus suggestibility and misattributing a heard to an actual event. Not an excuse for her considering her position, but surely not a calculated lie as many have decided.

Incidentally, I could go on and on about how and why people tell war stories. I won't. But do remember true traumatic war time events persist in one one's memory. They are never repressed and the best treatment is to distract yourself and count on some level of attenuation of affect associated with the persistent memory. I know this the direct opposite of what happens and did happen in VAH hospitals I worked at; however, the well done psychological literature would affirm that approach. Beides working at VAH my DEROS was 17 May 1969.

Memory, like everything else about us is really complex, multifaceted and open to continuous revision depending on empirical studies.

Below are some quotes from Schacter:

"...As I showed in my earlier book, Searching For Memory, we tend to think of memories as snapshots from family albums that, if stored properly, could be retrieved in precisely the same condition in which they were put away. But now we know that we do not record our experiences the way a camera records them. Our memories work differently. We extract key elements from our experiences and store them. We then recreate or reconstruct our experiences rather than retrieve copies of them. Sometimes, in the process of reconstructing we add our feelings, beliefs or even knowledge we obtained after the (memory) experience. In other words, we bias our memories of the past by attributing to them emotions or knowledge we acquired after the event….”

"...Thousands of experiments have demonstrated the truth of the above paragraph:

"...Memory is “adapted to retain information that is most likely to be needed in the environment in which it operates.” (page 191) Since we seldom need to remember all the precise sensory and contextual details of every experience; memory is designed and produces that information which might be later needed.

The most horrific of mistakes of memory are not those listed above but the concept of "repressed memories." I won't discuss this, but if you are interested merely Google "Elizabeith Loftus."

2 posted on 04/04/2008 6:38:33 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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3 posted on 04/04/2008 7:59:57 PM PDT by OeOeO (maybe I didn't come over on the Mayflower, but I got here as soon as I could" Anton Cermak)
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Thanks for posting article by Dalrymple. Thanks for posting link, shrinkermd. Very interesting.

The lie is often the 1st weapon used in the criminal’s arsenal.

Hillary is a serial liar. She laughs about it. She has no remorse. She is the most deceitful, deranged, delusional, dysfunctional politician ever running for president. Witness her husband. She perpetuates his lies and creates her own. She is a sociopath squared.


6 posted on 04/04/2008 8:40:09 PM PDT by PGalt
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Was she lying? A journalist called and asked my opinion as a doctor (faith in doctors remains strong in some quarters). I said that the question might be unanswerable...one thing we do know about her, though, is that she is far from the as-advertised "smartest woman in the world", having apparently forgotten all the video clips and written reports of her visit which immediately put the lie to her story....

Unless of course she really is delusional.....

7 posted on 04/04/2008 9:10:00 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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Here’s the way I see it: In both Clintons, lying is second nature: it’s been observed of Bill that he would apparently rather lie even though speaking the truth would offer no advantage over lying -—the truth wouldn’t hurt him, HE WOULD JUST RATHER LIE. He just prefers lying, tweaking, overstating, because he’s “better at it” than “remembering”, which is boring, dry, and does nothing toward buffing up the mystique and legendary legacy
people like Bill CLinton are always working on.My favorite recent Zelig-like claim of Bill’s , made during the Rosa Parks memorial period, was how Bill and his 8 year old buddies would make a point of sitting on the back of the bus out of solidarity with the “cause”. It’s been said that it’s better to always tell the truth, because the truth is easier to remember. Liars like the Clintons are basing the “truth of their lies” on what they wished happened rather than what did happen, their lives as politicians who say everything for public consumption involve a never-ending fictionalization of who they are in order to appear to be “all things to all men”.They were everywhere, did everything, were way ahead of the curve in all things political, and moral. Need to “correct” misperceptions about you of being anti-Military? THen co-ordinate, for the first time anywhere , matching stories about how badly Hillary wanted to be of service to the Military, but how it was her bad eyes, and her age (27) and the fact she was a woman that kept her away, not to mention “down”-—Boy, talk about killing two birds with one stone, that one of the current week was highly-honed and polished Clinton disinformation/spin.Liars like them are continually caught up short by never being able to
keep their facts straight, and it’s fact and how or if it’s remembered that serves as the basis for both truth and lies. Truth is not something that has ever interested the Clintons—to quote their one-time friend, Al Gore, it’s “inconvenient”.


8 posted on 04/04/2008 9:24:28 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length" Robert Frost)
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13 posted on 04/06/2008 7:50:57 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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