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Dr. King's 1967 Vietnam Speech - Did King Preach Sermons Similar to Those of Rev. Jeremiah Wright?
Hartford Web Publishing ^ | April 4, 1967/ April 4, 2008 | Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Posted on 04/04/2008 6:58:26 PM PDT by pinochet

I received this bit of history by e-mail. Dr. King, from a speech given on April 4, 1967, in New York:

"I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government"

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"The only change came from America as we increased our troop commitments in support of governments which were singularly corrupt, inept and without popular support. All the while the people read our leaflets and received regular promises of peace and democracy -- and land reform. Now they languish under our bombs and consider us -- not their fellow Vietnamese --the real enemy. They move sadly and apathetically as we herd them off the land of their fathers into concentration camps where minimal social needs are rarely met. They know they must move or be destroyed by our bombs. So they go -- primarily women and children and the aged."

"They watch as we poison their water, as we kill a million acres of their crops. They must weep as the bulldozers roar through their areas preparing to destroy the precious trees. They wander into the hospitals, with at least twenty casualties from American firepower for one "Vietcong"-inflicted injury. So far we may have killed a million of them -- mostly children. They wander into the towns and see thousands of the children, homeless, without clothes, running in packs on the streets like animals. They see the children, degraded by our soldiers as they beg for food. They see the children selling their sisters to our soldiers, soliciting for their mothers."

"What do the peasants think as we ally ourselves with the landlords and as we refuse to put any action into our many words concerning land reform? What do they think as we test our latest weapons on them, just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new tortures in the concentration camps of Europe?"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: civilrights; jeremiahwright; martinlutherking; vietnam
Dr. King did a lot of good. But he did make speeches that were as controversial as Rev. Wright's. He compared America to Nazi Germany. And if you read his entire speech, he urged young Americans not to serve in Vietnam during a time of war.

Will Rev. Jeremiah Wright be seen as a great civil rights hero, 10 to 20 years from today?

1 posted on 04/04/2008 6:58:27 PM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

I’ve heard his later speeches on the radio, anyone have links to such?
I found them to most distressing to be made from ‘I have a dream’.
IMO. Hoover was correct.


2 posted on 04/04/2008 7:03:56 PM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: pinochet

Dr. King did this late in his career in an awkward attempt to try to regain “relevance.”


3 posted on 04/04/2008 7:07:02 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: pinochet
Dr. King did a lot of good.

I can't think of what that would be.

4 posted on 04/04/2008 7:12:46 PM PDT by donna ("I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.” - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: pinochet

I was serving aboard ship somewhere in the Western Pacific at the time of this speech. Wasn’t well received by me and my shipmates. We had a duty to honor the oath we had taken to “Honor and Defend...”.

I’ve looked through all my military papers and I can’t find anywhere where it says that oath has an expiration date.

Salute!


5 posted on 04/04/2008 7:29:00 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: pinochet

King was a communist agent who worked to implement slavery worldwide. He was elevated to “sainthood” by the left, much as algore and obambi are today.


6 posted on 04/04/2008 7:31:42 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: tired1
King belonged to two dozen identified Communist organizations which were, at that time, identified by J Edgar Hoover.

Today they are called "progressive" organizations.

7 posted on 04/04/2008 7:45:34 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: pinochet

If we have to put up with saturation media coverage of MLK every April on the anniversary of his assasination can we please do away with his holiday???


8 posted on 04/04/2008 7:46:41 PM PDT by blue state conservative
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To: Chi-townChief
Dr. King did this late in his career in an awkward attempt to try to regain “relevance.”

Later that year, King's growing irrelevance was demonstrated when his fellow leftists booed him when he addressed their "New Politics" conference in Chicago.

9 posted on 04/04/2008 7:53:34 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: blue state conservative
If we have to put up with saturation media coverage of MLK every April on the anniversary of his assasination can we please do away with his holiday???

Brace yourself--June 5 is just two months away--and the historical event that will receive massive media coverage that day will probably not be the Battle of Midway.

10 posted on 04/04/2008 7:57:32 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: pinochet

Dr King’s later desire was to get rid of capitalism.
I just read some of his latest writings (before his murder). They paint a far different picture than of the legacy that has been built around him.


11 posted on 04/04/2008 7:58:48 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

The biggest question here is who actually wrote the speech for Dr. King? Was it his assistant Jack O’Dell, i.e. Hunter Pitts O’Dell, aka John Vesey, a top identified covert member of the Communist Party USA and probable Soviet agent-of-influence?

Was it acknowledged KGB money handler and CPUSA member Stanley Levinson, who was also a King advisor?

There are a lot of questions about Communist influence on Dr. King, and nobody wants to talk about it. See something on this in Garrow’s “The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr.”

Unfortunately, Garrow didn’t understand the significance of what he had found, other than blowing open “Operation Solo”, an FBI penetration of the Kremlin.


12 posted on 04/04/2008 9:10:03 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: pinochet
I've found that race pimps like Sharpton and Jackson need to keep racism alive, or they are out of a job. I do not see King as any different. They live as scumbags until they meet an unfortunate fate, then they become blessed martyrs and then their past and short comings are untouchable.
13 posted on 04/04/2008 9:16:28 PM PDT by Bommer (Hmmm who to vote for? A Far leftist? A Radical Leftist? Or a Republican that enjoys being a Leftist?)
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To: pinochet
Photobucket God I hope not. I don't think he's one-tenth the man MLK was.
14 posted on 04/04/2008 9:36:53 PM PDT by xuberalles ("Barack Obama: Change Is A Dime Bag!" http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees.225246874)
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To: pinochet

King only looks good compared to his more radical contemporaries and he had the misfortune to be murdered thus sealing his fate as an icon however flawed.

His legacy is like global warming.

Warm and fuzzy but no there, there.

To see conservatives fawn over uber liberal socialist King is astonishing. They only do it because he is a dead black man and they are afraid.


15 posted on 04/04/2008 10:44:20 PM PDT by wardaddy (I just bought my daughter a Mini-Cooper, man....that thing is a blast......I need one.)
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To: donna

me neither.


16 posted on 04/04/2008 10:44:37 PM PDT by wardaddy (I just bought my daughter a Mini-Cooper, man....that thing is a blast......I need one.)
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To: blue state conservative

They are pumping it up this year for their boy O.


17 posted on 04/04/2008 10:45:09 PM PDT by wardaddy (I just bought my daughter a Mini-Cooper, man....that thing is a blast......I need one.)
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To: xuberalles

I like how everyone conveniently always forgets the GOP and Reconstruction.....

wanna know where Blacks first were told (and lied to) that Government was going to come save them?

both sides have played blacks


18 posted on 04/04/2008 10:47:20 PM PDT by wardaddy (I just bought my daughter a Mini-Cooper, man....that thing is a blast......I need one.)
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To: Eagles6

BTTT


19 posted on 04/05/2008 5:59:02 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: pinochet
I have read many of King's writings and sermons. While not filled so much with the hateful venom of Wright's, King was absolutely an enemy of free enterprise and wholeheartedly supported 3rd world "people's" revolutions and regimes such as Fidel Castro's.

James Earl Ray made a martyr out of a man who eventually would have been exposed as just another far-left poverty pimp.

Sorry, if that offends some of you, but the truth is what it is.
20 posted on 04/05/2008 10:30:55 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: Eagles6

I wish to make it clear that I think that Martin Luther King was a man of enormous courage, charisma, and intellect that profoundly altered the course of American history and made it a better country in so far has its promise of justice for all is concerned.

This does not mean however that his legacy to the Civil Rights movement has been one of unalloyed good. I believe much of his bequeathment resulted in an over reliance on big government statist solutions to problems within the black community that require individual initiatives to correct. Martin Luther King’s frequent references to this nation’s founding documents are well known. His reflections on Communism are much less well known and undoubtedly contributed to his general philosophy. We owe it to ourselves to examine the effects of this legacy and contextualize it so has to solve the problems facing the black community today.

While King himself was not a communist, he did business with communists and was influenced by them. This delicate subject, made more so given the martyrdom and subsequent lionization of King, should nevertheless be broached as a means of providing insight into some of the darker forces that worked their way into what was essentially a pro American, conservative, Christian civil rights movement.
King surrounded himself with communists from the beginning of his career. His closest advisor Stanley Levison was a Communist. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, formed in 1957 and led by King, had Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth as Vice President who was at the same time president of the Southern Conference Education Fund, an identified communist front according to the Legislative Committee on un-American Activities, Louisiana (Report April 13, 1964 pp. 31-38). The field director of SCEF was Carl Braden, a known communist agitator who was also involved in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which counted Lee Harvey Oswald, the communist assassin of President Kennedy as a member. King maintained regular correspondence with Carl Braden. Bayard Rustin, a known communist, was also on the board of SCLC.

Dr. King addressed the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tenn., 1957, previously known as the Commonwealth College until the House Committee on un-American Activities sited it as a communist front (April 27, 1949). HCAA found that Commonwealth was using religion as a way to infiltrate the African-American community by, among other techniques, comparing New Testament texts to those of Karl Marx. King knew many communists associated with the Highlander school.
King hired communist official Hunter Pitts O’Dell, 1960, at the SCLC. The St. Louis Globe Democrat reported (Oct. 26, 1962) “A Communist has infiltrated the top administrative post in the Rev. Martin Luther King’s SCLC. He is Jack H. O’Dell, acting executive director of conference activities in the southeastern states including Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.” Dr. King fired O’Dell when this became public but subsequently rehired him to head the SCLC New York office.

King himself expresses a Marxist outlook in his book “Stride Toward Freedom” when he stated, “in spite of the shortcomings of his analysis, Marx had raised some basic questions. I was deeply concerned from my early teen days about the gulf between superfluous wealth and abject poverty, and my reading of Marx made me even more conscious of this gulf. Although modern American capitalism has greatly reduced the gap through social reforms, there was still need for a better distribution of wealth. Moreover, Marx had revealed the danger of the profit motive as the sole basis of an economic system”

King, unfortunately, didn’t understand that it was Capitalism and freedom that was responsible for the successes the African-American community already had achieved in his day and the key to future success. By “better distribution of wealth” King meant state control over the economy. His contempt for “the profit motive” was unfortunate given that African-Americans should’ve been encouraged by their leaders to seek fair profit to the best of their ability. King’s leftist ideas contributed to an opening of the floodgates to such radicals as Stokley Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, the Black Panthers, as well as the burning and looting of African-American neighborhoods, the institutionalizing of poverty perpetrating welfare, the destruction of the family, drugs, violence, racism, and crime.

In “Stride Toward Freedom” Dr. King states “In short, I read Marx as I read all of the influential historical thinkers from a dialectical point of view, combining a partial yea and a partial no. My readings of Marx convinced me that truth is found neither in Marxism nor in traditional capitalism. Each represents a partial truth. Historically capitalism failed to see truth in collective enterprise and Marxism failed to see the truth in individual enterprise. The Kingdom of God is neither the thesis of individual enterprise nor the antithesis of collective enterprise, but a synthesis which reconciles the truths of both.”

King, like Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, had “a dialectical point of view.” The goal of the dialectic is authoritarianism. A nation, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, cannot be half free and half slave. By advocating socialism, King chose an imperious stand toward his own people in contrast to a stand for genuine freedom, self-rule, self-sufficiency, private ownership, and the accumulation of capital. King did not advocate the American system of free market capitalism. Instead, he stood for a system that has stunted the growth of African-Americans as well as the rest of us.

All Marxists believe in Hegelian Dialectics. This is a belief that “progress” is achieved through conflict between opposing viewpoints. Any ideological assertion (thesis) will create its own opposite (antithesis). Progress is achieved when a conclusion (synthesis) is reached which espouses aspects of both the thesis and antithesis.
For example, Hitler had a dialectical point of view. He rejected Marxist class warfare, but embraced the basic socialist idea of the insignificance of the individual compared to the collective state.

This belief in dialectical progress is why liberals pit the rich against the poor, old against young, black against white, men against women, gay against straight, ad nauseam.
This issue is somewhat clouded by what Dr. King wrote in his 1957 book “Stride toward Freedom: the Montgomery story”, in which he wrote the following devastating critique of the sort of communism practiced in the Communist super state of the Union of Soviet Socialist republics.

“During the Christmas holidays of 1949 I decided to spend my spare time reading Karl Marx to try to understand the appeal of communism for many people. For the first time I carefully scrutinized *Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto. I also read some interpretive works on the thinking of Marx and Lenin. In reading such Communist writings I drew certain conclusions that have remained with me as convictions to this day.
First, I rejected their materialistic interpretation of history. Communism, avowedly secularist and materialistic, has no place for God. This I could never accept, for as a Christian, I believe that there is a creative personal power in the universe who is the ground and essence of all reality-a power that cannot be explained in materialistic terms. History is ultimately guided by spirit, not matter.
Second, I strongly disagreed with communism’s ethical relativism. Since for the Communist there is no divine government, no absolute moral order, there are no fixed, immutable principles; consequently almost anything-force, violence murder, lying-is a justifiable means to the ‘millennial’ end. This type of relativism was abhorrent to me. Constructive ends can never give absolute moral justification to destructive means, because in the final analysis the end is pre-existent in the means.
Third, I opposed communism’s political totalitarianism. In communism, the individual ends up in subjection to the state. True, the Marxists would argue that the state is an ‘interim’ reality which is to be eliminated when the classless society emerges; but the state is the end while it lasts, and man is only a means to that end. And if man’s so-called rights and liberties stand in the way of that end, they are simply swept aside. His liberties of expression, his freedom to vote, and his freedom to listen to what news he likes or to choose his books are all restricted. Man becomes hardly more, in communism, than a depersonalized cog in the turning wheel of the state.
This deprecation of individual freedom was objectionable to me. I am convinced now, as I was then, that man is an end because he is a child of God. Man is not made for the state; the state is made for man. To deprive man of freedom is to relegate him to the status of a thing, rather than elevate him to the status of a person. Man must never be treated as means to the end of the state; but always as an end within himself.”
Martin Luther King Jr., *Stride Toward Freedom: The Montgomery Story* (New York: Harper and Row, 1957), 92-93

Let us not forget that the above was written in 1957, a period in which the oppressions of the Soviet Union are painfully evident, evidenced by the brutal repression of the Hungarian uprising in 1956. At the time Stride toward Freedom was written, domestic attitudes toward communism could not have been more hostile. Toward the end of Dr. Martin Luther King’s life, the counterculture revolution of the sixties and the leftist tinted civil rights movement made favorable considerations of communism generally more palatable.

While Martin Luther King Day should be one of reflection and appreciation for what has been accomplished, and a reckoning of what still needs to be done, it should also be a day of understanding, in terms clear of emotionally driven rhetoric, where the civil rights movement went wrong. A major key to this understanding, I would contend, is the destructive effects that communist ideas and outright infiltration has had on the African-American community. Communists tried to use African-Americans as cannon fodder by stoking hatred and racial division. A predominantly white left-wing establishment promoted Black communists in order to preserve an informal system of oppression.

The fact is that he WAS a socialist and that goes to the heart of what went wrong with the civil rights establishment after the legal battles against codified discrimination were won.

I am a black man who has been getting calluses on my dome from butting heads with those in my community who refuse to relinquish big government statist solutions for the problems plaguing the black community in favor of free market solutions that are far more appropriate today. These forces frequently cite Dr. King and use his exhortations to government to lead the way. They specifically cite his socialist outlook as justification for their continuance. The two parent black family was destroyed by LBJ’s welfare state. That was the worst cultural calamity to EVER befall the black community in the US, and the most destructive force in its cultural life notwithstanding the imposition of Jim Crow law via the Supreme Court’s Plessy v Fergueson decision. MLK was a leading proponent for expanding the welfare state, whose baleful effects were just beginning to be seen in the black community.

MLK was a man of enormous charisma and courage and certainly a pivotal figure in the civil rights movement. There is much about him that I admire. An assessment of his life could creditably yield the adjective of great. Despite that, he does not deserve to be the ONLY American with his own holiday named after him. That honor should be reserved for only one person in American history, the greatest of all Americans, George Washington. More so than any other SINGLE figure in our history, he was the “indispensable man.” Without his courage, acumen, honor, and integrity, the US would simply not exist, and if it did, it probably would have been as a monarchy and certainly not as a constitutional republic.

MLK’s birthday was a sop to PC and a reflection of the DemocRAT Congress that voted it. The depth of MLK’s association with the most anti-freedom ideology (Communism) of our time will prove to very embarrassing when it is fully revealed. Additionally, MLK’s legacy to the modern day civil rights movement is a socialist bequeathment, which of looking to big government solutions for many of the behavioral problems in today’s black community. MLK continues to cast a long shadow over most of the modern day civil rights establishment and black politicians who largely reject free market, educationally based solutions to the unique problems plaguing the black community.


21 posted on 04/05/2008 7:19:04 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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