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ACLU wants to help defend alleged Sept. 11 mastermind [Attorney General Janet Reno is among top..]
Seattle Times ^ | April 5, 2008 | By Carol Rosenberg

Posted on 04/05/2008 6:11:27 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

ACLU wants to help defend alleged Sept. 11 mastermind

By Carol Rosenberg

McClatchy Newspapers

The American Civil Liberties Union, which for years has scorned Pentagon military commissions as "kangaroo courts," announced Friday it will try to provide top civilian defense attorneys for alleged terrorists facing trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba -- with special emphasis on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Former Attorney General Janet Reno is among top lawyers who have endorsed the $8.5 million effort, which will help coordinate and defray the attorneys' expenses.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said a major thrust will be to defend Mohammed, who military officials say has confessed to masterminding the Sept. 11 attacks and other terrorist acts, including the beheading in Pakistan of Wall Street Journal correspondent Daniel Pearl.

The ACLU chose to focus on his defense, Romero said, because he appears to be "the government's top priority in the prosecution. And whether or not they are able to convict Khalid Sheikh Mohammed under these rules may well determine the fate of the almost 300 other men who are detained at Guantánamo."

Mohammed was held in secret CIA custody until September 2006, and the CIA has admitted subjecting him to waterboarding while he was being questioned. Waterboarding simulates drowning and is considered torture by many human-rights advocates.

Mohammed's case "is likely to raise the most significant issues of torture, hearsay evidence and access to counsel," Romero said.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; janetreno; khalidsheikhmohammed; ksm; terrortrials
I don't know who hates us the most - the terrorist or the ACLU...
1 posted on 04/05/2008 6:11:27 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

I always knew the ACLU was the enemy..... How could any American lawyer in his right mind defend someone like this? Come to think of it, we are at war - did we give any of our enemies lawyers and a court hearing in WW2?
Unbelievable and reading this was a crappy way to start the weekend.......


2 posted on 04/05/2008 6:14:40 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: Sub-Driver

And another thing... who is paying the %8.5 mil? The taxpayer? I want a refund....


3 posted on 04/05/2008 6:15:51 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: Sub-Driver

“I don’t know who hates us the most - the terrorist or the ACLU...”

Apparantly, it is the ACLU.

$8.5 million (so far) for defense of the 9-11 mastermind? This may set a record in American juriprudence for amount spent in defense.

Who the hell precisely is donating this money?

They are getting a tax deduction for a donation to a not for profit.


4 posted on 04/05/2008 6:17:17 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: captjanaway

We need to start calling this what it is TREASON.


5 posted on 04/05/2008 6:18:11 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW
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To: Sub-Driver

That kid-burning bulldagger Reno belongs in Git’mo with the rest of the traitors and terrorists.


6 posted on 04/05/2008 6:20:43 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (And infidel beheadings)
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To: Sub-Driver

Reno = the gay golem.


7 posted on 04/05/2008 6:24:05 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: Sub-Driver
Former Attorney General Janet Reno is among top lawyers who have endorsed the $8.5 million effort, which will help coordinate and defray the attorneys' expenses.

That Bull-Dyke 'beach' needs to be waterboarded and sent to GITMO.

8 posted on 04/05/2008 6:24:46 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop wont fit)
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To: captjanaway
did we give any of our enemies lawyers and a court hearing in WW2?

I agree with your sentiment but you need a better analogy. You might want to read up on the Nuremberg trials.

9 posted on 04/05/2008 6:27:03 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Election 2008: Now the evil of two lessers.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Janet Reno? Now, there was a real piece of work.


10 posted on 04/05/2008 6:28:34 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Sub-Driver
Well, I'm tore on this one. On the one hand, our system of laws guarantee legal representation for anyone accused of a crime. This separates the western legal systems from those in the middle east. Even the British solders that were accused in the 1770 Boston Massacre were defended by (future US President) John Adams and the legal costs for their defense was paid for by the Sons of Liberty to make sure the trials were not tainted by charges of partiality. On the other hand, I had friends die in the Pentagon and I want to string these terrorists up.

-Traveler

11 posted on 04/05/2008 6:32:10 AM PDT by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Sub-Driver
“...$8.5 million effort...”

That buys a lot of bullcrap and reasonable doubt from silver tongue law twisters hungry for accolades.

12 posted on 04/05/2008 6:35:38 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The ACLU are terrorists...they’re legal terrorists who work on behalf of America’s enemies. In their entire history, it has never been otherwise.


13 posted on 04/05/2008 6:36:01 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Sub-Driver

Janet Reno will probably burn in Hell for all of the evil deeds she has been a part of.


14 posted on 04/05/2008 6:37:55 AM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: Sub-Driver
Former Attorney General Janet Reno is among top lawyers who have endorsed the $8.5 million effort, which will help coordinate and defray the attorneys' expenses.

This factoid needs to be saved and brought out in the fall if Hillary manages to snatch the democrat nomination from Obama.

It speaks to the horrible judgment of the Clintons and is ample evidence that a President Hillary would infest her White House with terrorist sympathizers and enablers.

15 posted on 04/05/2008 6:38:58 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Sub-Driver
I don't know who hates us the most - the terrorist or the ACLU...

I think you do...we all do.

16 posted on 04/05/2008 6:39:14 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: Piquaboy

Isn’t it funny how the same rotten names keep bubbling up?

Is this ALL that our nation has to offer as Attorney General, Governor of Florida, etc etc.?

GET OFFA THE F-ing STAGE!!!


17 posted on 04/05/2008 6:39:29 AM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: Sub-Driver

If this was WWII, Romero and his entire staff would be in prison, according to FDR’s executive order of 1942.


18 posted on 04/05/2008 6:40:29 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t have a problem with Mohamed being defended by someone, but Reno was once the U.S.’s “top lawyer”. It shows you the type of people who make up the Dem party.


19 posted on 04/05/2008 6:41:32 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Traveler59
Are all lawyers equal? Are the scales weighed equally on a case by case basis?

A lot of money or a high profile case could tilt the justice scale especially with a sympathetic judge ruling on evidence or argument (Both for the prosecution or defense, civil or criminal).

20 posted on 04/05/2008 6:41:33 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Living Free in NH

Socialists ARE terrorists. They’ve been bomb throwers in America ever since the Russian Revolution.

The sheeple keep getting numbed to the fact that this lot has wanted to take this country down for the better part of a century. And they almost got stopped in the 1950s (after 30 years of congressional investigations) when they claimed “harassment” for being seditious treasonous louts supporting leaders who butchered 10s of millions (Mao, Stalin, et al).

And this was AFTER they stole the secrets they shared with the USSR for the atomic bomb (leading to 40+ years of nuclear missile buildup).


21 posted on 04/05/2008 6:42:23 AM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: popdonnelly

Reno did not defend the US or the rights of the US citizen. She defended Bill Clinton and his big government.


22 posted on 04/05/2008 6:43:13 AM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: weegee

You just cannot get rid of those people. Sorta like stink on chit.


23 posted on 04/05/2008 6:43:45 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Sub-Driver

there is something wrong with their brain function


24 posted on 04/05/2008 6:45:16 AM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; Sub-Driver
In the case of Nuremberg AND the Boston 'massacre', we were not at war.

Nuremberg took place after the enemies were successfully defeated and defanged.

The trials of Captain Preston and the soldiers under his command took place well before Lexington & Concord. Which raises the additional point that they weren't enemy combatants at all but the lawfully constituted authority which was accused of overstepping its bounds -- the rough equivalent of a civil rights prosecution against police brutality.

But in any case, it's quite a different proposition to start giving enemy combatants all the civil rights of citizens while they're still trying to kill you.

I understand that valuable information was obtained by holding these goblins. Otherwise it would have been better just to put them up against the wall and shoot them on the battlefield.

25 posted on 04/05/2008 6:45:23 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Sub-Driver

Janet Reno must have a thing about Cuba. Maybe she just wants to visit Elian.


26 posted on 04/05/2008 6:50:06 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
“But in any case, it's quite a different proposition to start giving enemy combatants all the civil rights of citizens while they're still trying to kill you.”

The deceitful man-made piousness of “acting” humane and self-righteous by twisting logic plus reason (To pump up your idiotic attempt to be pious) to those who would kill you in an instant is suicide.

Unfortunately we have a contest among lawyers and government bureaucrats on who can look the most pious of them all towards our enemies who want our children destroyed.

27 posted on 04/05/2008 6:54:53 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Why do the liberals want to send Khalid Sheikh Mohammed free?

They really *do* hate America.


28 posted on 04/05/2008 6:54:54 AM PDT by JHBowden (Give peace a chance! Kill Terrorists!)
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To: weegee

I thought Reno was in a nursing home, and had Alzheimers?


29 posted on 04/05/2008 7:19:03 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Sub-Driver; GiovannaNicoletta; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ...
<Janet Reno is among top lawyers who have endorsed the $8.5 million effort, which will help coordinate and defray the attorneys' expenses.

And United States Marines can apparently go to hell.

In Pa., She's Got a Friend In Murtha

30 posted on 04/05/2008 7:19:33 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: JHBowden

Janet Reno believes that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is less of a threat to Americans than David Koresh. Those angry gun toting Christians need to be bulldozed don’t you know. Them and their children should be gassed on the spot. < /s >


31 posted on 04/05/2008 7:20:17 AM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: freema
“In Pa., She's Got a Friend In Murtha”

In here in Washington Democrat Bagdad Jim McDermott is praying for an acquittal for Khalid. Did I say praying? Ooops he can't possibly believe in God, I mean he is hoping for an acquittal.

32 posted on 04/05/2008 7:28:10 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: weegee
“David Koresh. Those angry gun toting Christians need to be bulldozed don’t you know”

You are making the same error in judgment the media made. Koresh and him coolaid drinking followers were not Christian. But still you are right on the point that even a crazy cult did not deserve the horrible ending it got from the hands of Reno, who shed no tears over the incinerated bodies of young children.

33 posted on 04/05/2008 7:34:42 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: FormerACLUmember
Apparently, it is the ACLU. Who the hell precisely is donating this money?

The Communist Party!

34 posted on 04/05/2008 7:37:55 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: milford421; Calpernia

Ping.


35 posted on 04/05/2008 7:44:06 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: Lets Roll NOW

Exactly, hey ACLU - F U, is that clear enough?


36 posted on 04/05/2008 7:59:49 AM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Sub-Driver

Birds of a feather.......


37 posted on 04/05/2008 8:01:03 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Elian2
" This is the time to demonstrate to the world that the United States need not abandon its principles," said Reno, "even as it seeks to ensure the safety of its citizens."

Yeah, sure, Janet, you plump, demented, sapphic, porcine.

38 posted on 04/05/2008 8:10:28 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Traveler59

This analogy to the Bston Massacre is NOT apt, if you want an early American analogy you need to look to the US Navy’’s dealing with Berbery pirates.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1192205/posts


39 posted on 04/05/2008 9:32:55 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: NavyCanDo

Koresh was a cultist and had superceded Jesus in his mind no doubt. But if he’d been rambling on and on about the cave drawings of primative man in France his rantings couldn’t have been used to taint all members of one faith (Christianity).

Just as the entire antiabortion movement is tainted by a handful of post hour clinic bombings but the overwhelming number of daylight attacks by radical muslims are not supposed to reflect on Islam.


40 posted on 04/05/2008 9:41:29 AM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: Traveler59
The British soldiers were on their own soil and were citizens of the British empire at the time. - as were we.

They were not from a foreign land killing our people for their religion.
They deserved legal protection. - your analogy is incorrect.

41 posted on 04/05/2008 10:48:10 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Kackikat

Parkinson’s.

She is, unfortunately, still out and about.
Even though we booted her azz right out of Florida politics.


42 posted on 04/05/2008 10:53:50 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
You might want to read up on the Nuremberg trials.

With one vital difference. The defendants in the Nuremberg trials were being tried on charges for crimes that did not exist prior to the trial itself (genocide, etc.).

The Guantanamo defendants are being tried under established military law, as informed by the Geneva Accords.

43 posted on 04/05/2008 10:59:20 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Sub-Driver
What ever happened to the good old days?


44 posted on 04/05/2008 11:07:33 AM PDT by PROCON (Hilary is for McCain!)
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To: Sub-Driver
I thought those initials stood for
“AMERICAN” Civil Liberties Union

What a bunch of putzes! Hey someone should ask Hillary and Barak if they support Janet Reno's efforts!!!

45 posted on 04/05/2008 11:36:38 AM PDT by pangaea6
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To: bill1952

I knew it was some sort of brain disease, and thanks. I guess she has money for private home care...your tax dollars at work?


46 posted on 04/05/2008 11:55:57 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Colonel_Flagg

You are correct - need not “freep” before coffee :)


47 posted on 04/05/2008 1:50:27 PM PDT by captjanaway
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To: FormerACLUmember
Who the hell precisely is donating this money?

You are.
Courtesy of your government's largess with our tax moneys.

48 posted on 04/05/2008 2:21:43 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: captjanaway

who is paying the %8.5 mil? The taxpayer? I want a refund....

ME TOO!!!!!!!


49 posted on 04/05/2008 7:10:22 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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