Posted on 04/05/2008 7:29:34 AM PDT by moderatewolverine
The United Nations World Meteorological Organization is reporting that global temperatures have not risen since 1998. That would be the same temperatures that models from the U.N.'s Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change said would be scorching the earth into an unlivable wasteland — except for those coastal areas flooded by seas gorged with water from melting ice sheets.
Of course the IPCC spins the news.
"You should look at trends over a pretty long period," said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud, "and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming."
His explanation for the cool spell is the effect of the Pacific Ocean's La Nina current, "part of what we call 'variability.' "
If that's the case, then why can't the Pacific's El Nino current, which played a large part in the warm reading for 1998, simply been seen as a "variability" and not part of a greater warming trend? Because it doesn't fit the agenda?
(Excerpt) Read more at ibdeditorial.com ...
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Yeah - just like back in the '70's. And guess what - it'll still be man's fault, primarily due to people driving large SUV's. And the government will use this junk science to promote yet another tax/fee/expense upon the brainless drones that occupy this country. And the liberal, government-educated idiots will accept the theory de jour without question.
hahaha...wasn’t there a lot of people calling for putting something into our oceans to melt the ice caps to help prevent global cooling in the 70’s...I forget where I read that.
The Heat is On The Tennessee 2 x 4. Music to read this thread by.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q58bDPaslqw&feature=related
Al “Convenient Opinion” Gore is pressure treated.
Ironically all the things to stop global warming are the same that was needed to stop global cooling.
Become communists being the chief way to fix it.
Al Gore is going to have a lot of explaining to do...LOL
Because La Nina is weather and El Nino is climate.
Get with the program or be defunded.
From the article: “You should look at trends over a pretty long period,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud, “and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.”
It seems to me that for awhile these boobs were hyping 5 and 10 year trends as proof of man-made warming. Now, when that doesn’t pan out this clod suggests a longer period be observed. Just how long? Back to the point that makes their point appear valid and no further. But, if we go back even further say millenia(Earth is several billion years old and millenia are still merely a blink of the eye in comparison) one would note that the Earth has warmed and cooled many times without the assistance of burned fossil fuels.
I still don’t know what their explanation for this being man-made is. Look up Dansgaard-Oeschger events and you’ll find that 23 times in the past(20,000 years prior to the creation of the SUV) we have a record of rapid warming of 8 degrees celsius in one case over a few decades followed by a gradual return to previous temps over the next few hundred years. They don’t know what caused it and it was considerably more dramatic warming than now.
“The little ice age of ~400 to 200 years ago has been interpreted as the cold part of a D-O cycle, putting us (even without the effects anthropogenic global warming) in a period of warming climate” (Bond et al. 1999).
After all, a normal climate should NEVER change.
It wouldn't be cooling if it hadn't warmed first...< / sarc >
Not an ice age, but probably a Dalton minimum, which will be difficult enough with 6.5 billion people. Solar cycle 24 is late, and the longer solar cycle 23 lasts, the more likely it is to be a low one. Solar cycle 25 is definitely going to be one of the lowest in centuries because of the slowing of the Sun’s conveyor belts, which predates a low solar cycle by 20 years or so.
As for global warming alarmists, what happened was they mixed up cause and effect in looking at precipitation systems. They set up positive feedback loops in their models when the loops were actually _negative_ feedback loops. Roy Spencer has outlined this pretty succinctly at his website and in his scientific paper.
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Spencer_07GRL.pdf
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm
They had me worry about freezing to death when I was a youngster. Bunch of a-holes pulling a big scam is all this GW thing is,
Now there are two people who are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
Instead, our biggest societal problem ended up being obesity!
We are heading the same way with this global warming hoax. Instead of getting warmer, we are actually getting cooler. Glaciers in California are growing. Sunspot activity is diminishing. All signs point towards our climate COOLING over the next 20 years.
The earth has had many ice ages, most recently just 11,000 years ago, in which most of North America was covered in sheets of ice, miles thick. Guess what Al Gore? It will happen again. Probably not for another 80,000 years or so but then, that is just an eyeblink in the life of our planet.
Human civilization has only been around for several thousand years. To think that our little cars and lawn mowers can change Earth's climate is something for little boys to get scared about who don't know better. I remember as a child seeing a Peanuts comic strip in which Charlie Brown was pacing and Linus warned him that if he kept doing that, he would wear the earth down to the size of a tennis ball. For the next year or two, I went out of my way not to pace because I didn't want to wear the earth down. Then I hit my 8th birthday and started getting smarter. But for a short period of time, I had the mentality of an Al Gore.
Indeed.
This is something that must be exposed to the public.
If more people understood the gobblygoop of 'carbon credits' - the more would wake up.
Just show them how the goracle, himself, lives high on the hog,
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
This is a site to bookmark. It's an astounding contrast between how Gore lives - and gobbles up energy - versus how Bush lives - and conserves.
One talks the talk. The other walks the walk.
And those 'carbon credits' goracle pays so that it's "OKAY" to keep consuming up to 12 times the national average? He "pays" those to his OWN company.
Like the Clintons to charity - to their OWN charity.
Out of one of their pockets into another of their pockets.
The arrogance of these people, with their attitude that they can operate like this, right in the peoples face, without the sheeple waking up = is , oh wait. Most sheeple DO swallow it...
Now, on the heels of the Clinton's tax returns disclosure, is a good time to link these 'out of one pocket into the other' examples.
When was the last time you heard, in the MslimeMedia, about the energy efficient Crawford Ranch. What? Never?
Go to the link. Bookmark it. Send it to the usual: Rush et all = as a reminder. It's topical news NOW, linked with the Clinton's "charity"
This is the email I just sent. (remember, they need to get a certain number of emails/faxes before a story will be moved to the desk for eyes on - so let's FREEP - send the emails and forward to everyone in your email addresses and urge them to do the same. This info would be just as effective in waking people up as the scientific data)
This is the modus operandi of the Socialists: the Clinton's and Gore.
Clinton's 'donate' 10 mil to 'charity' - their own Charity outfit.
Gore 'buys' CC's - from his own company.
This is a good time to remind people of who merely talks the talk and who walks the walk.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
This comparison between Gore's house and energy use versus Bush's ranch tells the story that even the most asleep among us can grasp.
see my following post for direct links
And just think, those clowns get paid for that.
GAG!!!
El Nono and La Ninny were not talked about as climate forcers until reality stopped following the models. Now it’s wait for 5 years and it will really get hot we’ll show you.
You should look at trends over a pretty long period,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud, “and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.”
Sure; that’s because the beginning of a trend has a shorter history than the end of the prior trend. If all we have to do is look at charts, we don’t need ‘experts’ like Old Jarraud to explain it to us.
This story should be crammned down Bloomies, Soros’ , Gores’ and every Dem leftist’s nose! This should be printed in every MSM outlet.The RNC should pay for the ads. Even ole John should admit to this. It would make him look more honest.
“Global Warming” advocates, are one of two things: Gullible Imbeciles, or, Utterly unethical liars.
Global Warming: The Six Trillion Dollar Scam.
Don’t be fooled by the defrauders.
Only in America are there billboards in poorer areas warning about the dangers of Childhood Obesity.
Gotta luv it!
On a different note, here is a graph of the satellite measured temperatures that alarmists have always maintained ought to be most affected by CO2:
Latest decade is not looking so alarming to me.
If you look at where zero is, there’s a pretty good portion of the graph in the negative. And it appears as though we are about to go back into negative for awhile again. Except for that one little spike in 97-98, I see nothing strange. Possibly in the period 04 to present it lingered in the positive region a little longer than expected, but that’s hardly something to get worried about. IMO.
And more intelligent too.
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Reply #31: Pretty cool. Literally.
He should, but McCain is stubborn and believes his own rhetoric to a fault the size of the Grand Canyon. I suspect he will plow ahead and enact carbon tax and trade legislation as soon as possible if he becomes President.
After 20 years of hearing that man alone was responsible for the climate now when the models are breaking down all of a sudden we hear excuses in the form of La Ninny and El Nono and other now important natural weather patterns. This is really raining on the IPCC's parade.
then why can't the Pacific's El Nino current, which played a large part in the warm reading for 1998, simply been seen as a "variability" and not part of a greater warming trend? Because it doesn't fit the agenda?Trick question. :') Thanks neverdem.
You are *so* correct to show that we are again in a cycle without sun-spots...the last time this happened marked the beginning of the Little Ice Age in Europe that spanned from 1500 to 1850.
>>>Look up Dansgaard-Oeschger events and you’ll find that 23 times in the past(20,000 years prior to the creation of the SUV) we have a record of rapid warming of 8 degrees celsius in one case over a few decades<<<
Interesting response when I looked up “Dansgaard-Oeschger events” on google. I got a screen warning me that this looks like spyware or malware of some sort and they prompted me to type in some set of letters - the kind you find on sites where they want to fool automated programs trolling the net for entry into websites. Hmmmm.
I agree. There has been some slight warming, some slight cooling, a jump at 1998 ElNino, and ten years of steady temps.
The next 5-10 years will really be important data, though. If those blast off, and overcome the recent falloff from the straight-line regression line “trend”, we’re hosed, politically. On the other hand, if the last five years’ steady-lower continues, the alarmists are going to have a whole lot of ‘splainin’ to do... And they are not going to like that one little bit.
No. It is our natural environment. We were born as modern humans in the middle of the Ice Age. Worry about returning to our ideal condition?
Close - back in the '70s, there was talk of us having to convert all our B-52s into cropdusters so we could spray carbon-black on the Polar ice sheets, so-as to cause them to melt. Of course, we'd have to be taxed to pay for it!
Since the idea was sprung too fast, everybody realized that it was bull$hit, so the tax-masters then started the 'Global-Climate-Warming-Change' bull$hit real slow - start in the schools, etc.
It doesn't matter - bull$hit is still bull$hit! It just took a little longer for people to smell it this time.
BTW, welcome to FR .............. FRegards
That would have given Gore a sinking feelint....!
Great Charlton Heston piece from “Jurassic Park” on the evolution of the earths atmosphere:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozO4YB98mCY&feature=related
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