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McCain Is Vocal on War, but Silent on Son’s Service
The New York Times ^ | 4/6/2008 | JODI KANTOR

Posted on 04/06/2008 10:09:51 AM PDT by Young Scholar

One evening last July, Senator John McCain of Arizona arrived at the New Hampshire home of Erin Flanagan for sandwiches, chocolate-chip cookies and heartfelt talk about Iraq. They had met at a presidential debate, when she asked the candidates what they would do to bring home American soldiers — soldiers like her brother, who had been killed in action a few months earlier.

Mr. McCain did not bring cameras or a retinue. Instead, he brought his youngest son, James McCain, 19, then a private first class in the Marine Corps about to leave for Iraq. Father and son sat down to hear more about Ms. Flanagan’s brother Michael Cleary, a 24-year-old Army first lieutenant killed by an ambush and roadside bomb.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: iraq; jimmymccain; mccain; mccainfamily; oifveterans
Classy.
1 posted on 04/06/2008 10:09:51 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar; All

I wonder if he is ashamed of his son and his service


2 posted on 04/06/2008 10:12:57 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: Poetgal26

Oh, I doubt that., he may just be treating his son the way his dad treated him.. and so on before that

thru thick and thin, many in his family have answered the call of their nation in times of war..and peace to.

I’m sure he is a proud father..


3 posted on 04/06/2008 10:15:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Poetgal26

No, I think he knows enough to respect their units by NOT parading them in front of the public.


4 posted on 04/06/2008 10:15:43 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: Poetgal26
I wonder if he is ashamed of his son and his service

You're either being very sarcastic or the biggest troll I've ever seen.

5 posted on 04/06/2008 10:15:49 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Poetgal26
That's a pretty outrageous thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself.
6 posted on 04/06/2008 10:16:30 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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Ok, I mis read the hole article, I am really not a fan of McCain...


7 posted on 04/06/2008 10:19:37 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: Poetgal26

Which probably only says something about you.


8 posted on 04/06/2008 10:25:08 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: Young Scholar

You can bet the MSM is working overtime to “out” his son’s unit and place of deployment. Just watch.


9 posted on 04/06/2008 10:26:07 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: NormsRevenge
. . . he may just be treating his son the way his dad treated him.. and so on before that

Yes. I believe so.

“He knows what his father and grandfather went through as his sons went off to war,” Mr. Hunter said. “So he’s got a model to follow.”

Indeed, John McCain’s own parents were dressing for a dinner party in London when they learned he had been shot down. They went anyway, never telling other guests. Later, Admiral McCain ordered air strikes on Hanoi, where he knew his son was imprisoned.

Just before Jimmy’s departure, Mrs. McCain decided she had to see him one final time, according to Lieutenant Bowlby. With a few well-placed phone calls, she won permission to visit the Air Force base from which his unit would depart. When Lance Corporal McCain found out, he protested. No special favors, he said. Mrs. McCain stayed away.

“God forbid someone gave him something the rest of the marines weren’t entitled to,” Lieutenant Bowlby said.


10 posted on 04/06/2008 10:27:52 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Young Scholar
I agree. Photobucket
11 posted on 04/06/2008 10:30:23 AM PDT by xuberalles ("Barack Obama: Change Is A Dime Bag!" http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees.225246874)
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To: Poetgal26

I’m not a McCain fan but I’m sure he’s quite proud of his son, and all his kids, and would not exploit his son’s service for political gain.


12 posted on 04/06/2008 10:31:16 AM PDT by rabidralph (Hillary is the MSM's Bimbo Eruption.)
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To: Poetgal26
I wonder if he is ashamed of his son and his service

That is really a disgusting statement.

John McCain's grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr. was a combat veteran.

John McCain's father, John S. McCain, Jr. was a combat veteran.

John McCain was a combat veteran.

Now, John McCain's son is a combat veteran.

Has it ever occurred to you that, in such a family, going to war to defend America is not something you brag about in public but is something that you do as an expected duty?

In the current war, McCain has done all that he can possibly do to win it, including supporting the Surge strategy that is now winning the war at a time when Rumsfeld was dead set against it and George W. Bush was meekly following Rumsfeld's lead and when opposition to that Surge strategy was devastating McCain in the polls.

You, on the other hand, seem to want to help Barack Obama lose that war by posting slander about John McCain being ashamed of his son's military service.

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Published December 27, 2006 ..... Novak: McCain's 'aggressive surge' stance backfiring ........ conservative columnist Robert Novak suggests that Sen. John McCain's (R-AZ) "aggressive" push for a U.S. troop expansion -- or "surge" -- in Iraq may be costing the top 2008 GOP contender in the polls, especially when matched against another presumed front-runner, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY). "The decline in the polls of [McCain], as measured against [Clinton], reflects more than declining Republican popularity ......... "It connotes public disenchantment with McCain's aggressive advocacy of a 'surge' of up to 30,000 additional U.S. troops to Iraq

"I understand the polls show only 18 percent of the American people support my position. But I have to do what's right, what I believe is right and what my experience and knowledge and background tells me is the right thing to do in order to save this situation in Iraq ... In war, my dear friends, there's no such thing as compromise. You either win or you lose." - Sen. John McCain's reaction to the Iraq Study Group Report, 2006

13 posted on 04/06/2008 10:37:39 AM PDT by Polybius
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Oh ok, I take it back and I am sorry I said it, geeesh....


14 posted on 04/06/2008 10:42:41 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: Poetgal26

Negative. He doesn’t want his kid to be targeted for scrutiny. He’s simply respecting his privacy and knows that drawiing attention to his lineage would create a needless distraction. His son is in a war zone and that’s where his son’s focus should be.


15 posted on 04/06/2008 10:47:35 AM PDT by SFC MAC (SFC McElroy, US ARMY (RET))
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To: Poetgal26
Ok, I mis read the hole article, I am really not a fan of McCain...

Pathetic rimes with......If I were Poet I could figgure it out I spose....but then I wouldn't look like a Pri....rimes with stick.

16 posted on 04/06/2008 10:48:00 AM PDT by Oldsailor
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I am really sorry I said it, sometimes I don’t think before I type....and my thoughts get all messed up

I hope ya’ll can forgive me and I am not a Troll!!!!


17 posted on 04/06/2008 10:50:29 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: Poetgal26
Oh ok, I take it back and I am sorry I said it, geeesh....

Well, gee,... I'm sorry I beat up on you.

I was responding to a guy. I didn't notice "Poet gal" until I posted. Gals are sensitive ... especially poetical ones.

So, anyway, sorry. :-(

18 posted on 04/06/2008 10:52:54 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Poetgal26

He just doesn’t pimp out his kids like Klintons. I am ashsmed of your post though.

Would love to read some of your poetry. Have never read anyone from a Heartless poet before.


19 posted on 04/06/2008 10:52:58 AM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: Poetgal26

Neither am I - but that doesn’t make your statement any less outrageous.


20 posted on 04/06/2008 11:20:08 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Young Scholar

I’m not a huge McCain fan, but as a veteran myself I found it to be a great article. I don’t know if Jimmy Mccain possesses the necessary speaking skills, but it would be neat if he got a chance to stand in his dress blues with his Dad, and relate his experiences in Iraq. This, I would think, would offer a stark contrast to the military-hating Democrats......Ok OK, the military-disliking Democrats.


21 posted on 04/06/2008 11:20:17 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Poetgal26

Ask that it be removed then.


22 posted on 04/06/2008 11:21:02 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Poetgal26
I wonder if he is ashamed of his son and his service

Why would you wonder that? The proudest parents aren't always the ones who brag the loudest.
23 posted on 04/06/2008 11:23:15 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Poetgal26

**I wonder if he is ashamed of his son and his service**

Good grief, no. He wants him to remain anonymous. After all, it is a war. Let him serve his tour of duty and then come home.

I bet McCain is extremely proud of his son!


24 posted on 04/06/2008 11:27:13 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Young Scholar
If anyone asked about his family, he had a sarcastic joke at the ready. When a cluster of marines asked how they could help his father’s campaign, Lance Corporal McCain pretended to call him and then passed on a message: they could carry out the contracts the senator had taken out on his rivals’ lives.

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. Jimmy's a chip off the old block.

25 posted on 04/06/2008 11:27:20 AM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: princess leah

**No, I think he knows enough to respect their units by NOT parading them in front of the public.**

You are remembering what happened to Prince — was it Harry in England?

Excellent point.


26 posted on 04/06/2008 11:28:59 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Poetgal26

**hole article**

Because McCain’s son is fighting somewhere in the mideast in a “hole”.

Go away.


27 posted on 04/06/2008 11:30:08 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Poetgal26

Hang in there, Poetgal! I understood what you were saying was not in a malicious way. Boy did you get jumped on pretty quick! I hope you didn’t get too many bumps and bruises. I think people just took it the wrong way. :)


28 posted on 04/06/2008 11:40:42 AM PDT by derllak
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Hang in there, Poetgal! I understood what you were saying was not in a malicious way. Boy did you get jumped on pretty quick! I hope you didn’t get too many bumps and bruises. I think people just took it the wrong way. :)
I think the problem is that there are times when words are not only insufficient but actually detrimental to communication.

For example, when the florist asked if I wanted a banner to say, "Beloved Mother" for her funeral. I replied, "No. Just, 'Mother.'" If anyone didn't know what that meant, no adjective could possibly tell them. Any adjective could only subtract from, not add to, "Mother." Just as "unique" is stronger than "very unique;" the "very" actually takes away from the full force of the word "unique."

And I think that those who understand how that applies to Senator McCain's behavior naturally are offended by any suggestion contrary to their understanding of his admirable restraint.


29 posted on 04/06/2008 12:19:04 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The Democratic Party is only a front for the political establishment in America - Big Journalism.)
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Just as "unique" is stronger than "very unique;" the "very" actually takes away from the full force of the word "unique."

The word "very" in the phrase, "very unique" is simply wrong. There are no varying degrees of uniqueness, something is either unique or it is not.

30 posted on 04/06/2008 12:32:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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The word "very" in the phrase, "very unique" is simply wrong. There are no varying degrees of uniqueness, something is either unique or it is not.

That is the most uniquest fact that I have read today. :-)

31 posted on 04/06/2008 12:42:57 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Young Scholar
"Let the boy earn his spurs"
Edward III (speaking of Edward "the black prince", Prince of Wales)

i have no use for McManiac, but he's absolutely correct in this instance.

32 posted on 04/06/2008 12:49:47 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Polybius

Do you know how to catch a unique rabbit?

Unique up on it.


33 posted on 04/06/2008 12:57:14 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Good point! I understood her because I’ve been there too. :)


34 posted on 04/06/2008 1:01:18 PM PDT by derllak
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To: Young Scholar
"AND GOD BLESS HIM FOR IT"

Maybe he wants to keep his son safe in his duty. We all know what happened to Prince Harry when the Quisling press exposed his actions. Damn the NYTIMES and any other Media Monster that pursues this. Next up will be full blown pictures of the guy as love letters to Al-Quaida. Or descriptions of him as a child killing,teenager raping wedding crashing murderer.

35 posted on 04/06/2008 2:14:06 PM PDT by OeOeO (maybe I didn't come over on the Mayflower, but I got here as soon as I could" Anton Cermak)
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To: Young Scholar

Please remove my comment from this thread, I was totally misunderstood and I didnt mean it to come out the way it did ;-{


36 posted on 04/06/2008 2:23:48 PM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: Poetgal26

You have to ask the moderator—I can’t do it.


37 posted on 04/06/2008 2:45:19 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Poetgal26

I wonder if he is ashamed of his son and his service?

Welcome to Free Republic, where the Perpetually Pissed will take an honest question and try to turn you into Satan himself. Please do not let it bother you and please realize that those that are so quick to go on the attack are usually hiding some sort of inadequacy. The favorite attack is either being called a leftist or a troll, just don’t pay any attention to these people.

Hey attackers, what ever happened to the benefit of doubt?


38 posted on 04/06/2008 4:04:21 PM PDT by Dmitry Vukicevich (Pray for the Serbs because even Bush believes the idiocy.)
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To: Salvation

Because McCain’s son is fighting somewhere in the mideast in a “hole”.

Go away.

Come on Salvation, you are better than that, “Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.” The wording maybe wasn’t perfect but it was an honest question. Why do we seem so intent on eating our own?


39 posted on 04/06/2008 4:15:59 PM PDT by Dmitry Vukicevich (Pray for the Serbs because even Bush believes the idiocy.)
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