Posted on 04/06/2008 5:47:27 PM PDT by do the dhue
The Baghdadis caught between these extremes know that the only thing standing in the way of another sectarian conflagration is the U.S. military. This may explain why every Iraqi who offers me a view on American politics seems to be praying for a McCain victory.
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“Iraqi people are smarter then demoratic voters.”
A bag of rocks is smarter than most democratic voters
They don’t want to end up like Afghanistan did with the Taliban.
lol
“The Iraqi people are smarter than democratic voters”
Give the Iraqis more credit than that! Lol.
While every terrorist prays for Obama to win.
“Andalus Abdel-Rahim Hammadi, a Baghdad school-bus driver, has this much in common with John McCain: both men gambled on the U.S. military’s “surge” in Iraq long before it looked like a sure thing.”
Well, I’m never going to be a democrat voter, but can someone please explain to me what is so mind blowing about the concept of a surge? Are there really people out there that are surprised when a drastic increase in the numbers of troops brings increased security? I’m pretty sure that if we added 1000 more cops to patrol a gang infested area of my city, the security of that neighborhood would increase. That wouldn’t make it a long term solution and wouldn’t get to the core problem. As soon as the cops would leave, the gangs would return to their previous level of criminal activity.
Whew......that was some gamble McCain took! Who’d of thunk it? Brilliant, the man is. Why haven’t we crowned this God, king for life? He’s such a brilliant strategist. Troop surges increase security. Mind blowing! Just mind blowing!
Nice going, taking McCain (of whom I am not a fan) out of context.
The context was, most others were not willing to propose or back a surge. They were afraid to propose or back sending more troops to Iraq. All the pressure was on to reduce our presence and role and leave more and more to the Iraqis.
In the midst of this virtually unanimous and unyielding pressure stood McCain, who advocated for a very long time that we needed lots more troops.
Now.
The truth is, more troops alone did not do it. Petraeus proposed a different strategy. Very different.
And President George W Bush accepted the General’s plan.
As Rush would say, it’s the truth, love it, learn it, live it.
I’m praying also. I was not a McCain supporter in the primaries and I hate to pray for a victory by a political party but when the Democrats have gone off the deep end of anti-Christian socialism I don’t see a choice. First Timothy 2:1 & 2 is good verses to keep in mind.
I know that it is not mind blowing that the more security personnel on the ground creates better security, but you have to remember the mindset of those in the DOD at the time. Like I said, I am not a huge McCain fan, but he did listen to the commanders while others didn't.
The more interesting thing that I see (and you don't see the media mentioning it) is that the increase in Troops help calm the Sunni triangle down. Meanwhile the British scaled back in the southern part of Iraq and now this is the first place that is having problems. Granted this is where the majority of Al Sadr's Army is, but if there were British Troops in this area it would be harder for Al Sadr's Army to upset the apple cart.
Excellent point. But at the time few others were advocating it. As the poem goes “If you can keep your head while others are losing theirs....” McCain kept his. I’m not a McCain admirer but it’s a big point to his credit. If this answer does not satisfy you ask yourself -what would Obama do?
I think a quiet and peaceful life would be a great thing to pray for for all people.
Iraqis want McCain.
Muzzl’ems want Obama.
Pathological liars want Hillary.
They couldn’t chase and catch a parked car.
YES! Most of the dem party.
I wish I didn’t have to say this, but that is true.
LOL
Although they say they don't...
That is what education is for in our country. Democrat run indoctrination camps. Most people require years of edjamkation in order to be so constantly and pitifully stupid.
There should be bumper stickers that say, “If You Are A Democrat, Blame A Teacher.”
(Iraqis pray for McCain victory)
They must not have heard that he wishes to occupy their nation for 100 years.
Iraqis want McCain.
Muzzl’ems want Obama.
What’re Iraqui’s, Presbyterian?
I would like to hear your take. Do you hear the same sentiment in your little corner of the city?
I have never seen you post before but, well said! The way some people talk (like McCain himself.) you'd think Mccain had grabbed an M4 rifle and cleared Sadr City alone.
He was for more troops. What a mental giant. Who'da thunk it? Why didn't Petraeus think of that? Oh wait, he did.
See you on the threads LauranD. Good post.
What I would like to see is this:
If a demoratic candidate pulls our Troops out prematurely, Hillaryious or Hussein should promise the following:
Millions will not be murdered like what happened in Cambodia, Laos, and South Vietnam after we pulled out there.
Iran and/or Syria will not come in and oppress the Iraqi people.
al qeada will not come in and build terrorist training camps that we will have to go back and dig out after another tragic incident occurs in the US.
The terrorist will not look at a pull out as a victory and use this as a platform to recruit for their cause.
We should have taken care of Saddam Hussein after he invaded Kuwait (and remember that we did not sign a peace treaty with Saddam. We signed a cease fire agreement and he defied it). We should have done it right the first time. We need to do this right now, so we don't ever have to go back again.
A small footprint would have worked better with a patriotic press and without state department bungling. Bush should have given up the small footprint when he let Powell run Iraq instead of Rumsfeld.
Unless Americans have a major change of heart about maintaining a substantial and aggressive military presence in Iraq, all the gains of the past year will amount to nothing.
Says it all.
I really wish the British would not have buckled at the knees and pulled out of Southern Iraq. We may need another surge there one day. But I am hearing that the Iraqi Army is doing a decent job. So, maybe we can secure the place without the British and we will not need another surge. I know if Bush is President a surge will be an option on the table. If McCain is President, I am confident of the same, but let Hillaryious or Hussein be President and you can count on big trouble.
I hear that.
Agree ..... McPain is an idiot in my book but is the lesser than option in this race ....again.
To allow these two socialist rats to gain power is too repeat the killing fields of Laos, Cambodia, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia / Kosovo, Rwanda etc when they pull the plug on anti terrorist forces sided with the US and the rest of the free world.......we can’t allow such to happen or we abandon all the efforts and sacrifices made by our servicemen and women, their families, friends and the Iraqi’s who helped us destroy Sadassed Insanes Murder Inc.
Just my opinion of course........Stay Safe !
McCain was simply saying that we are in Germany sixty years later and Korea fifty years later and that we could be in Iraq for the next 100 years. He was just pointing out that we have been in other countries for some time and the same could occur in Iraq.
I don’t care to have troops in any of those nations for one more day.
“We need to do this right now, so we don’t ever have to go back again.”
When exactly does “doing it right” end? Iraq is quickly becoming one of our longer wars, I see no end on the horizon anyway. Continuously using it as a political issue is beginning to get old and the people of this nation, the ones that haven’t lost interest altogether have begun wondering why the heck our troops were sent to Iraq in the first place....? I guess after 5 years of this...I mean, friggin’ Iraq? We’re STILL there, STILL fighting...FIVE YEARS LATER???? Did anyone else really expect this?
Iraq?
I agree with the sentiment of your post but there wasn’t much risk in being for the surge. General Patreaus had already proven the principles were sound with the 101st airborne in Mosul. Lots of troops and hearts and minds.
As for Rummey missing the boat that doesn’t mean McCain is McPatton all of a sudden.
Regards
Enlightened.
When the Iraqi government can govern themselves. It would be an irresponsible act to go into Iraq and flip their government over and leave. It is a responsible act to help them back on their feet and give them hope and a future.
When the Iraqi military can protect themselves from threats foreign and domestic. It would be an irresponsible act to go into Iraq and destroy their military and allow a regime like Iran to roll in without a fight and take it over. Or worse yet, allow a terrorist group to take over (see the Afghanistan/russian war and the taliban).
Like it or not, we are there. I don't know about you, but I supported going into Iraq. Good, bad, or indifferent I have not wavered, falter, or failed. A lot of us voted to go into Iraq. And just because you quit fighting, does not mean your enemy will. And it is tough times that never last. Only tough people do. Belly up to the bar now, because we own the repsonibility to give those people hope and a future. And that is something Iran, and Syria, and al qeada can never do.
I think folks need to give credit where credit is due. McCain did stand behind Troop levels while a lot of others did not. McCain is no genius, he was just brave enough to stand up for something he believed in while the tide was against him.
I don’t blame many Iraquis for being afraid if we leave Iraq, however, if McCain wins this race, and the democrats increase their numbers in Congress, the Dems will be very vindictive and evil. I have no doubt that this scenario will lead them to defund the Iraq war. McCain would have no choice, just like Nixon had no choice.
The Dems will have nothing to lose, and they will make the GOP pay with a loss stamped on their behinds.
Does anyone really believe they will allow McCain to keep up the war in Iraq? I just doubt it.
I concur with your post.
“Does anyone really believe they will allow McCain to keep up the war in Iraq? I just doubt it.”
I didn’t post what I did with that belief in mind.
“When the Iraqi government can govern themselves.”
“When the Iraqi military can protect themselves from threats foreign and domestic”
So. This war and those fighting it will continue to be a political issue for only God knows how many decades. Wonderful.
“Like it or not, we are there.”
Not.
“I don’t know about you, but I supported going into Iraq.”
I did based on the WMD....”mistake.” That has proven fruitless. I no longer support the war. I do support the troops, I WAS one for many years. I am beginning to feel, however that the longer the war goes on, the longer both parties can use it for political purposes and fundraising. Lets face it, take away the war as an issue and Juanito is dead meat in November.
Iraqui’s are enlightened?
Now, there were chemical weapons and missile were outside the range that Saddam agreed upon in the cease fire. Not a huge stock pile like we thought, but some were found. So, if some were found, that means more could exist. The media and Dems always downgrade any WMD our Troops find, but they have found some items. Including a nuclear trigger buried under a rose bush in a scientist back yard. So, I am not totally convinced that the WMDs did not exist. And again, I fall back on the fact that the cease fire agreement was violated. After 911, why should we trust a person who used WMDs on his own people and never proved he totally removed all WMDs and we were legally at war with?
It took our nation 12 years to get things under control after the Revolution. It took Germany over five years to calm things down there. It will take time, but like I said earlier, tough times never last; tough people do.
“He was to prove to the world that he removed all WMDs, but he failed to do so.”
Really? And what did the Chief Inspector have to say about that?
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