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Vermont senators call for investigation of oil prices (RATS look in all the wrong places - again)
The Trucker ^ | 4/04/08

Posted on 04/07/2008 1:30:32 AM PDT by Libloather

Vermont senators call for investigation of oil prices
The Associated Press
4/4/2008

MONTPELIER, Vt. — The Vermont state Senate called Thursday for Attorney General William Sorrell to launch a criminal investigation of major oil companies to see if recent petroleum price increases might involve price-fixing, consumer fraud or other violations of law.

"At the same time that we are paying $3 and $4 a gallon for gas and oil, the oil companies are making record profits, billions and billions of dollars," said Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin, D-Windham. "It's puzzling to us that so few politicians both on a state and national level are saying enough is enough," he told The Associated Press.

Shumlin, Majority Leader John Campbell, D-Windsor, and other Democrats joined the president of a statewide truckers' group and an official with a Burlington-based community action agency that helps provide heating assistance to low-income Vermonters to blast recent oil price increases.

The senators put their proposal in the form of a joint House-Senate resolution, which passed the Senate on by a vote of 30-0.

It called in part for the attorney general to take "aggressive and immediate steps to initiate an investigation of probable illegal and anticompetitive activities by oil companies."

Wherever the solution might come from, the problem is real and is being felt in Vermont, said Roland Bellavance, head of a Barre-based trucking company and president of the Vermont Truck and Bus Association, and Tim Searles, executive director of the Champlain Valley Office of Economic Opportunity.

Bellavance said the trucks in his fleet average 5.3 miles per gallon of diesel fuel, which is over $4 per gallon. The trucks cost more than $1,200 to fill up, he added. "We're spending $1.5 million more this year for fuel alone."


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democratparty; energy; oil; rats; senators; stuckonstupid; vermont
Big Gubmint is "making record profits, billions and billions of dollars" - and they don't even have to lift a finger.

...blast recent oil price increases.

Hearings, investigations, stalling, bitchin' and finger pointing won't bring the prices down. (Psssst. All it takes is poking a few holes in the ground.)

1 posted on 04/07/2008 1:30:33 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

A vote of 30-0??? Looks like not a single one of these morons can connect the price of crude oil going over $100 a barrel with increases at the gas pump. How much have they raised taxes in the past few years and still kept (or even increased) their own salaries? Maybe there should be a simple economics test that one has to pass before he can run for public office....


2 posted on 04/07/2008 1:47:27 AM PDT by JTR1888
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To: Libloather
I guess they need to look into price fixes for gold and silver, and even corn... All have risen.

They might find someone who knows about petroleum refining and do some basic math.

Of course, math is something Deomcrats do not know how to do.

If the answer is wrong, there must be a reason... Why use something simple like math to figure out gallons of diesel from barrel of oil refined, and figure out price from that...

3 posted on 04/07/2008 1:56:32 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Libloather
They just don't get it.

The oil companies don't make the prices. The market sets the price. The good old basic law of supply and demand.

Yes, the oil companies are making the profit, but the profit goes back in as exploration of more risky/difficult places to drill for oil.

Politicians are just dumber than dirt.

4 posted on 04/07/2008 2:06:44 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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To: Libloather

Let the witch hunt begin.


5 posted on 04/07/2008 2:21:00 AM PDT by a_chronic_whiner (Captain: For Great Justice)
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To: topher
I guess they need to look into price fixes for gold and silver, and even corn... All have risen.

It would be nice if they "investigated" how Congressional spending, high corporate taxes, and creative new ways to spend money through the Federal Reserve devalue the dollar and cause all commodity prices to rise.

6 posted on 04/07/2008 2:21:48 AM PDT by underground (Viva la Socialisme Wall Street)
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To: Libloather

It seems like they would investigate why there cheese and ice cream is so expensive. Idiots.


7 posted on 04/07/2008 2:30:30 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Libloather

the things to watch, are refining margin and
refinery utilization.

the problem is that when Exxon reduces production,
they make more money, because the price goes disproportionatly up.


8 posted on 04/07/2008 2:39:05 AM PDT by patch789
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To: personalaccts

How much is a gallon of their Maple syrup now?


9 posted on 04/07/2008 3:00:02 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Just looked online. One gallon is $40.00!


10 posted on 04/07/2008 3:02:24 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Libloather
Mandated seasonal and local fuel blends

Mandated use of oxygenating additives, specifically, ethanol.

Closed areas on the continental shelf.

All the myriad hoops to drill on Federal Leases, at least the ones which are open.

Paying all those CEOs to get subpoenaed to be bitched at and demonized in election-year soundbytes by the selfsame politicians who set the above policies, so the politicians can appear to be "doing something" and the CEOs can't (because they are in another effin' hearing).

Fuel taxes.

And a dollar which, if worth much less, will come on a roll for your convenience.

Jeez, I wonder why oil/fuel are so high?

11 posted on 04/07/2008 3:03:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: roaddog727

Exactly, prices are set by the futures markets. Speculators have driven the price up. Basic supply & demand figures into the price speculators will pay for energy futures contracts. I read an article yesterday that said with inflation running at 35% annually in Venezuela now, Hugo Chavez needs a minimum of $98 bbl oil in order to break even on his “social” programs. Same type of thing in Middle East oil producing countries, Saudi Arabia now has inflation running at 7% PER MONTH. Obviously, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela have enough US $ to drive the price of oil up through speculation on futures exchanges.

Vermonters...............lol........idiots all.


12 posted on 04/07/2008 3:31:55 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: Libloather
How bout investigatin' why the USD is worth less than the Canadian. Or why gold is $1000 an oz. Or why prices went up 50-100% on wholesale European goods in the last 2 years.

Nobody wants to say inflation though...

13 posted on 04/07/2008 4:31:41 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: Libloather
They can investigate until 'the cows some home', but if no one is going to open up more land for drilling then all investigations are pointless. The USA imports 65% of the oil it consumes, thus outside forces (on both the supply and emand side) have a greater impact on oil prices than the oil companies. When are politicians going to realize that crude oil is a global commodity?
14 posted on 04/07/2008 4:37:38 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: patch789
the things to watch, are refining margin and refinery utilization.

Refining margin and refinery utilization might impact the cost of refined products, but not crude oil prices. There are only two things that impact crude oil prices...supply and demand. Crude oil is a global commodity and is dependant on global supply and global demand.

15 posted on 04/07/2008 4:42:07 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Libloather

This is a dog bites man story. All you have to do is change the date and a few details and the ratmedia can run this one every three months. It is part of the socialist conspiracy to fool the lemmings into helping them destroy America.


16 posted on 04/07/2008 4:45:44 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Libloather
I certainly can not come on here and start spouting off about economics. I don't know enough to make an intellegent guesstiment of why gas price keep rising. However, oil companies keep making record profits! I don't have a problem with them doing it, but it is causing more inflation and this effects everyone. It's a monopoly because we can't get around without oil to make our economy work. I realize taxes are a big part of this too.

If someone wants to set me straight, and show me what I'm missing, please feel free.

17 posted on 04/07/2008 4:46:37 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: topher
“I guess they need to look into price fixes for gold and silver, and even corn... All have risen.”

And let's not forget maple syrup! I bet if someone would snoop around a little, a government subsidy would be found for this non-value-added commodity.

18 posted on 04/07/2008 4:51:31 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: Libloather

Every year gas prices go up in late May, and every year the idiots in congress “investigate”. Every year prices go down again and the “investigations” stop.
The only reason for it is to prepare us for the day when congress decides to set prices for oil products.


19 posted on 04/07/2008 4:51:52 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (communists are dying to control all prices on all financial transations)
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To: sirchtruth
I certainly can not come on here and start spouting off about economics. I don't know enough to make an intellegent guesstiment of why gas price keep rising. However, oil companies keep making record profits! I don't have a problem with them doing it, but it is causing more inflation and this effects everyone. It's a monopoly because we can't get around without oil to make our economy work. I realize taxes are a big part of this too. If someone wants to set me straight, and show me what I'm missing, please feel free.

The 'oil companies' are not really a monopoly because they don't control the supply of all of the crude oil that we consume. They only control the supply of 35% of the oil we consume. Most of the oil that is produced in this world is controlled by 'national oil companies' (eg. Saudia Arabia's Aramco & Venezuela's PDVSA) whose policies are controlled by their local government. Most of those goverments are not interested in seeing the price of oil go down...they prefer that it go up.

Until we allow the international oil companies (Exxon, Shell, BP, etc) produce somewhere close to 100% of the oil that we consume then oil prices will continue to be controlled by the national oil companies.

20 posted on 04/07/2008 5:09:30 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Every year gas prices go up in late May, and every year the idiots in congress “investigate”. Every year prices go down again and the “investigations” stop. The only reason for it is to prepare us for the day when congress decides to set prices for oil products.

Congress simply can not set the price of refined products because the USA imports 65% of the oil we consume. In most cases, refineries are buying oil from the national oil company of foreign countries. Those foreign countries have a greater ability to control oil prices than Congress does.

Now if Congress were to pass legislation that allowed our own oil companies access to enough reserves that they could produce 100% of the oil we consume, then they could set the price we pay for refined products.

21 posted on 04/07/2008 5:21:18 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

do you even know what refining margin is?


22 posted on 04/07/2008 5:32:05 AM PDT by patch789
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To: Libloather

Cancel ethanol subsidies, drill ANWR, drill the Gulf. Get on with it!


23 posted on 04/07/2008 5:39:39 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: sirchtruth
However, oil companies keep making record profits! I don't have a problem with them doing it, but it is causing more inflation and this effects everyone.

Oil companies make around 8% profit on each dollar of sales. They just happen to be so big that they are making a lot of sales.

Banks make more per dollar sale on financial instruments they sell. You think Nike is only making 8% profit on $150 shoes? Are record companies making 8% on sales of CDs? Is microsoft pocketing more than 8 cents per dollar on software?

Oil companies are huge and have consolidated. It's no wonder that profits have set "records." But that's not the only thing to judge by.

If oiil companies are "greedy" at 8 % profit, then a whole lot of other industries are greedy as well.

24 posted on 04/07/2008 6:21:14 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Libloather

In the release it was stated....
aggressive and immediate steps to initiate an investigation of probable illegal and anticompetitive activities .
I believe that our own government should look at themselves for such action. After all the tax on gasolene is sufficient to warrant it as anti-competitive. Just my opinion. k2


25 posted on 04/07/2008 8:46:54 AM PDT by k2afe (Get the U.S. out of the UN and Get the UN out of the U.S.)
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Gas Pump Stickers (What I'm doing about gas prices)
26 posted on 04/07/2008 8:48:06 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Libloather
How many times can the Dems succeed in mollifying their ignorant base by holding kangaroo-hearings against the oil companies?

I know, I know. An infinity of times.

27 posted on 04/07/2008 10:38:33 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: Libloather
I suppose that nobody mentioned to these boneheads that the Vermont State Employee Retirement System fund owns $6.7 million worth of Exxon-Mobil stock, which is the single largest holding in their portfolio by a margin of more than 50% as of Q3-2007. See page 205 of the financial report at this link.

The System also owns 17,199 shares of Chevron, 14,272 shares of Conoco-Phillips, and 2,698 shares of Marathon. (See page 511.)

What's even more deliciously ironic for the Vermont leftists is that there's 4,038 shares of the evil Halliburton in the fund as well.

28 posted on 04/07/2008 2:10:19 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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